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Do not repeat such things in public. Outside the law echo chambers from which you speak, people will start laughing at you. It is not to demean lawyers, but, it is just the truth.
The thing is, to solve even 1 problem of Jee Advance, you need 150Q ka backing. Meaning read theory, then solve 10 Q which are almost highly applied on that theory (so the Questions are also part of the concept building) and finally try to solve the Jee Advance questions. If you score around 50% marks you are in the top 500. Just imagine - the best mind in India cannot solve the whole paper.
So, for every chapter in JEE there are 100-150 page notes which you end up creating having a lot of formulas, and tricks. You need to mug up the theory + these questions even to attempt any one problem. Finally, there are 70+ chapters, so 70*100 = 7000 pages of almost pure data. Complete data with almost 0 logic as all questions in your notes will have some trick, some new thing completely unrelated to the previous question. So, JEE becomes extremely tough.
Compare it to CLAT where you do not specifically need this much note-making to get a correct answer. You might select a wrong answer, but, with practice, you can come to the right answer. Here, - tumhe hawa hi nahi lagega ki what is being asked. There is no gyan that you can derive from the question. You need to know the full chapter + 2-3 allied chapters to even understand what is being asked. So, you become completely, completely blank.
The most intelligent, hard-working people I know got 1000 ranks in IIT JEE advance. Not even under 1000. Their level of dedication, discipline, mugging and making of notes during the 2y was unparalleled. Do not, I repeat, do not be in this bubble that these men and women cannot speak better English, comprehend better, create drafts or contracts or negotiate better than you. They can, they definitely can, but they never wanted to. They could have burst open your arguments, destroyed you in CLAT exam and would have out-competed you in NLUs (if NLUs actually had no state quota and were actual institutes of National importance). More people in India give COMEDK (Karnataka Engineering entrance) than the national level law entrance CLAT. So, simple probability says you have a better chance of cracking CLAT than even a RV college of engineering.
It is good that you selected CLAT and left the uber competition and rat race of Engineering and then MBA (where at 99.89 I have seen boys and girls in IIM Kozhikode (Not even A,B,C or L (just imagine) where every day one thinks, how dumb he/she is and what is being taught & why he/she is here.
It is courageous to say no to this whole IIT JEE science charade. In the end, in this consumerist world and new D2C brands, money-making ability is the final scale of success. And people in law are making money in coherence with their talent in languages. But, to think, that you had a tougher exam than IIT JEE and somehow the top NLU students out-competed IIT/BITS students to get into NLU is pure bull.
Let us take one exam which is almost a level playing field for both and the top IIT/BITS/AIIMS people try for it too - UPSC CSE. It is unpredictable enough for all of us -
-has a good mugging up and factual component (UPSC Prelims),
-has a great writing component where questions keep on getting modified every year (Mains),
-has a creative component (Mains essay),
-has a math component (CSAT),
-has a logical reasoning component (CSAT passages).
See some stats online. 60% of all UPSC CSE cracking bureaucrats are Engineers. Why is that? Now don't give me that - I am happy in my Lawyer job. You can earn in multiples of what you are earning plus you have societal prestige like no other. Also, I think there is only LBSNAA-trained top bureaucrats who have the guts (in their first 5y) to stand up to the MLAs/MPs and even Chief Minister. (Read about Dr. Gautam Goswami who cut the mic of Home Minister Advani in front of 3 lakh crowd in Patna, Bihar). Why are you in some top NLU? Because the best of the best of India did not compete with you. It is plain simple.
Again, this is not in any way trying to demean the legal education fraternity. Lawyers like PM Nehru & Dr Ambedkar were leaders of men. The law gives a structure to society. And we have been a law-abiding society from Chanakya ArthaShatra to Allaudin Khilji's 4 ordinances. Science allows you to question, but, before questioning, you need to study and mug a lot. There is not interpretation or your Point of View in Science which is suffocating to free thinkers. Law is complex in its own way. But, to say CLAT is tougher than IIT JEE or BITSAT is pure crap.
Anyway, you won't understand if you don't want to. And you will give this example, that example. The point in life is, to find our path. If law is your chosen path, so be it. But, at least be humble enough to accept, that maybe, (just maybe), someone else also has the brain to read 200pages/day, write better, argue better, structure better, negotiate better, sell better and find those 'words' whose meanings can be differently interpreted (this gyan I got while studying UPSC CSE polity Vision IAS questions, saale khod khod ke question me words ke meaning ka baal ka khaal nikate hai).
Adios!
Who am I kidding, I didn't score as much as you did in my first attempt. That's a good rank to start with, if possible avoid these private colleges and get an okayish college to attempt again.
Messed up terribly on the day of that reading race (CLAT ) .I was feeling so jittery that I was barely able to read the questions , let alone comprehend them . Plus, my inability to read at a fast pace and my lack of proficiency in Maths made things worse . Left the entire Maths section unattempted . Didn’t know the answers to the G.K. questions as well . The G.K. PDFs that I had read during my prep didn’t help me at all .
Result :AIR 3,XXX 🤡🤡. Only if the test gauged my knowledge , maybe I could have done well .
Going to a boarding school didn’t help me get through the test. So , it’s a bit of a stretch to say that kids who went to the “best English medium schools would get a tier 2 at least and that too for studying only two months”.
P.S. - Please overlook my grammatical errors, if any :)
Maybe you my missed the part where I said that they would 'probably' get a T-2 NLU, there is a possibility they won't.
No worries mate! As you've said, we're all learning here :)
I see how you might have terrible skills the main idea of any argument(especially in paragraphs) but hey again we are all learning here ;)
Appered for NEET, was alloted a government college and then i realised that i had zero passion for medicine, was doing all this because of parental pressure.(solved a good number of sample papers, prepared for it from Aakash coaching classes)
Appeared for CLAT and, got into a T1 NLU on my first attempt, without any tuitions and by solving just two sample papers. (I did have the benifit of being a avid newspaper reader since i was in 5th grade....another thing i was pressured into by parents)
Having appered for all three exams, i would say all of them had their own challenges, CLAT was a bit on the easier side because it didn't exactly require a lot of prep work. I have seen people taking drops of 2-3 years for all the three exams, so at the end of the day it's a matter of your own strengths and weaknesses.
I can figure that you are also not good at CR since your reasoning is somewhat flawed hehe. People from top international schools struggling to score more than 80% doesn't prove my point that "they perform better" wrong; what if students from less equipped schools score even less than that?
What I meant to say is that it's competitively easier for them to ace. It doesn't matter if their accuracy is 10%, if that 10% gets them a good rank, then that's all that matters.
You can even check a 2015 article of livemint
Suppose we ask someone from a government school to prepare for CLAT for a whole year and attempt it, chances are that he'll probably fail. But if we ask someone from one of the best English medium schools to prepare for it in two months, he would probably crack a T-2 at least.
But if you ask both of them to study for JEE, chances are that the former would perform better given the extra time. That's because JEE is a purely aptitude-based examination where skill has a negligent role to play.
As someone from a PCM background who has given CLAT thrice, I'd say that for me CLAT came out to be a tougher examination, but that's because I've never really worked on my reading. For a person who has been an avid reader, it might have been a cake walk for him.
The answer is quite simple, it depends on person to person. But yeah, objectively, JEE seems to be much more competitive.
(defense rests)