What I don't understand is this: Why should anyone pay close to Rs 50 lakhs for BITS when Jindal will cost less than that? The only people I see going there are:
- Rich kids who fail to make it to Jindal (and there indeed are such people, I have met a couple)
- Rich kids from Mumbai who need to live close to home, so that they can go Olive every Saturday. And for whom Sonipat is too downmarket
Can't think of any other reason. Am I missing something?
Not gonna lie, I was considering Bits Law as an alternative for myself due to the following reasons:
1. Mumbai: You can't really downplay what it means to have a campus in Mumbai since all the major firms are set up in Mumbai itself.
2. Good internship and placement opportunities: They have really managed to have names like Pallavi Shroff, Haigreve Khaitan, and Justice UU Lalit on their advisory council. They've also managed to reach an agreement with Trilegal, AZB & Partners, SAM, CAM, Khaitan, Bain and Company, Price Waterhouse Coopers, and Ernst & Young to consider their students for placements and internships.
3. The need of the hour Specialisation Courses: The Institute will offer specialisation in four fields, which are as follows:
(A) Corporate and Financial Law
(B) Technology and Media Law
(C) Entertainment and Sports Law
(D) ADR and Mediation
All of them are really interesting fields to specialise in, as opposed to the mundane specialisations offered by other colleges. They also claim to have curated the course after discussing the current needs of the legal system with managing partners of T-1 law firms.
4. BITS Alumni Network: It's a network as big as all of the NLU Alumni base combined (even bigger). BITS have left a noticeable dent in the Indian entrepreneurial sector with companies like Swiggy, Groww, BigBasket, Netscope Mindtree, Ofbusiness, Sugar Cosmetics, FreeAgents, Redbus, MPL, etc. (all unicorns).
Although I would agree that they might not be as receptive to BITS Law grads as opposed to BITS Pilani grads, but the network itself is way above anything any law school can offer.
5. Good start with BITSoM: They also opened up BITS LAW's elder sister institute about 2 years ago, which is being considered the fastest-growing B-School in the country, with average stipends of the whole batch ranging up to Rs. 1.61 lakhs for two months. It's safe to say that they've surely cracked the B-School market which is considered to be even trickier than the law school market.
6. Good Faculty + New Way of Teaching: (At this point, it might even seem like a PR comment lmao, but it's just that I've researched about it as good as anyone could have.)
The institute has a solid faculty line-up with individuals who have performed really well academically throughout their careers. Mind that they're not very experienced, but all of them have good publications and substance in their profiles. The faculty-to-student ratio is decent too, at 1:20.
The institute claims to follow a new age learning method whereby they'll ensure faculty-student interaction to the extent that the faculty knows each and every student completely. (At least they're claiming to follow this practise)
7. Good Scholarships on offer based on merit, gender, diversity, disability, etc.: They're claiming to have set aside more than 3 Crs for their first batch of scholarships. Although there is no cap in the number of students they'll offer scholarships to, I've heard that the number will be around 70% of the batch, which ultimately translates to about 52.9% of scholarships to each individual. {30000000÷0.7×120}
Unlike IIULER, BITS LAW seems to be genuinely serious about building a new age law school. They've got a bit too many green flags to be considered a scam, and high fees shouldn't be the only metric to judge what it is catering to. I do not believe that BITS LAW is trying to be an alternative to Jindal for rich kids; I think it's trying to do what was initially expected of MNLU, Mumbai.
PS: A lot of the things are mere claims at this point with no actual testimony of them. But as far as my individual research goes, this institute is worth looking into :)
Lemme tell you kid, BITS has little brand value other than engineering. They have had an MBA school for years in BITS Pilani. Very average placements.
In the case of BITS law, just hiring two Ji dal ex profs means little lmao. Why not go to Jindal itself, which even charges slightly less. As for the locational advantage of BITS, it’s a fully residential programme and you can intern only during vacations, putting you in the same competition race as other law schools. GLC’s “lifelong interns” have an advantage, not BITS students.
If you've got an agenda to chant "Jindal! Jindal!" in every post, then I can't really help it even with a sane argument.
Am I talking about the MBA course at BITS Pilani? I'm talking about an institute that has done phenomenally well in the B-School sphere and has achieved a CAT cutoff of 97 percentile within 2 years. I mentioned it because BITS LAW and BITSoM are supposed to function together as a singular campus.
"Hiring two Jindal Profs means little," Where did Jindal come from dude? Is it a certain quality acertaining factor that I'm not aware of? The current batch strength would be about 120 students (unheard of, right?), which doesn't really require 15-20 faculty members. I've thoroughly explained the scholarships that BITS LAW is offering, can't you understand that it would be a lot cheaper than Jindal if you managed to get one?
Your arguments are so trashy ngl, don't you think one has to attend lectures in order to gain more insight about his area of interest? How does GLC not having an attendance criteria make it such a big of an advantage that an institute that has literally signed up with quite a few firms to take in their students doesn't even compare? And as far as summer internships go, that's the norm in most universities, which seems to be working out well for them.
PS: I would've rather not replied to this but now I've written it so I might as well publish :(
At GLC, students find out their favourite area of practice by literally working in that area of practice. GLC is literally a 10 minute walk away from literally all firms in India. GLC has partners and managing partners at these firms. You must be kidding your self if you think BITS Alumni network is better than GLC in Law. GLC kids intern atleast 8 months in one year, thats 40 months even before they graduate, plenty of time to literally explore each area of practice there is to, and not by listening to lectures but getting to do work, which everyone is essentially going to do after graduation.
There are enough people who can pay. For Senior Advocates and rich businessmen in big cities, 50 lakhs is peanuts. For law firm partners and senior executives, it's quite affordable. The more pressing question is whether NLUs will now hike fees citing JGLS, BITS, Symbi, IIM Rohtak etc. 😐
The total fee (tuition, hostel, and food) will be ₹57 lacs for 5 years. This excludes personal expenses. The average total expense will be around ₹70 lacs for 5 years.
When anyone says, that they are going to disrupt the landscape and become a gamechanger, you know something's fishy. Just like when someone says "trust me" while conversing, you immediately become careful.
Birla vs Jindal! Battle of the banias and battle of two universities with Eminence status!! Here’s my assessment:
Jindal’s advantages are legacy, strong financial backing, foreign university collaborations, foreign law firm collaborations, dynamic VC with good networking skills.
Jindal’s disadvantages are location, a lot of the revenue is wasted on subsidising new schools that aren’t making money, disproportionate focus on human rights because of the background of the VC, needlessly high student intake, needlessly high faculty intake as a result, dilution in quality as a result, too many woke professors teaching too many woke courses with no market value.
Birla’s advantages are location, no wasteful schools to subsidise, market focus instead of human rights and woke focus.
Birla’s disadvantages are that it is too new and entering a crowded market, lacks collaborations like Jindal, Dean lacks network of Jindal VC, people on the advisory board are desi law firm owners who will fade irrelevance once liberalisation happens.
Both NLSIU (under Sudhir) and BITS are following the Jindal model of young faculty, faculty educated abroad and NLU alumni faculty. As a Jindal-ite I am happy about it, but NLSIU and BITS should be honest about it and give credit to Jindal.
Ever wondered why NLU kids attack Jindal for being a college for "rich brats" but don't make the same criticism against Symbi, IIMR and BITS? It's because they are JEALOUS that Jindal has more Big Law hires than them.
Dude. Honestly. Jindal kids have no idea how little NLU folks actually think about them. Y’all are the ones constantly talking about your university on here. Literally no one else cares. I went through five years of law school in Hyderabad - we talked some about what we might be missing out on cause we didn’t get into nls- mostly how much nicer it would be to live in Bangalore than Shamirpet, some about the drama that keeps happening at nujs. I don’t think in the five years I was there anyone ever said the word Jindal around me. Like we just didn’t care.you can keep repeating you have more number of hires- but you’re not taking away any jobs from nalsarites or nls folks or nujs folks. And that’s that.
BITS Law Mumbai is not even in Mumbai. It's literally in Kalyan which reduces its Mumbai advantage to zero. It is 1.5 hours train journey away from Parel Offices of Law Firms and 2 hours train journey away from the Litigation Practices and Bombay High Court. They are making sure to advertise it as being in Mumbai and not writing anywhere that it actually is in Kalyan. The interim campus as well is in Powai which is although a posh locality, it has very poor connectivity and the Mumbai locational advantage is a farce.
Kya din aa gaye hai.. Until sometime back, people used to question the fees of Jindal, but now a new private institute has been set up which is charging even more, so Jindal's fees is being used a base reference point!
For everyone's benefit, recent news reports suggest that even IITs are finding it difficult to place their students, so to rely on BITS legacy for placing students in law firms, it will be extremely hypothetical underwriting. So please don't count on it.
https://www.barandbench.com/interviews/law-school-interviews/no-registration-fee-for-bits-law-school-entrance-want-to-minimise-entry-barrier-for-law-aspirants-bls-dean-prof-ashish-bharadwaj
What I don't understand is this: Why should anyone pay close to Rs 50 lakhs for BITS when Jindal will cost less than that? The only people I see going there are:
- Rich kids who fail to make it to Jindal (and there indeed are such people, I have met a couple)
- Rich kids from Mumbai who need to live close to home, so that they can go Olive every Saturday. And for whom Sonipat is too downmarket
Can't think of any other reason. Am I missing something?
1. Mumbai: You can't really downplay what it means to have a campus in Mumbai since all the major firms are set up in Mumbai itself.
2. Good internship and placement opportunities: They have really managed to have names like Pallavi Shroff, Haigreve Khaitan, and Justice UU Lalit on their advisory council. They've also managed to reach an agreement with Trilegal, AZB & Partners, SAM, CAM, Khaitan, Bain and Company, Price Waterhouse Coopers, and Ernst & Young to consider their students for placements and internships.
3. The need of the hour Specialisation Courses: The Institute will offer specialisation in four fields, which are as follows:
(A) Corporate and Financial Law
(B) Technology and Media Law
(C) Entertainment and Sports Law
(D) ADR and Mediation
All of them are really interesting fields to specialise in, as opposed to the mundane specialisations offered by other colleges. They also claim to have curated the course after discussing the current needs of the legal system with managing partners of T-1 law firms.
4. BITS Alumni Network: It's a network as big as all of the NLU Alumni base combined (even bigger). BITS have left a noticeable dent in the Indian entrepreneurial sector with companies like Swiggy, Groww, BigBasket, Netscope Mindtree, Ofbusiness, Sugar Cosmetics, FreeAgents, Redbus, MPL, etc. (all unicorns).
Although I would agree that they might not be as receptive to BITS Law grads as opposed to BITS Pilani grads, but the network itself is way above anything any law school can offer.
5. Good start with BITSoM: They also opened up BITS LAW's elder sister institute about 2 years ago, which is being considered the fastest-growing B-School in the country, with average stipends of the whole batch ranging up to Rs. 1.61 lakhs for two months. It's safe to say that they've surely cracked the B-School market which is considered to be even trickier than the law school market.
6. Good Faculty + New Way of Teaching: (At this point, it might even seem like a PR comment lmao, but it's just that I've researched about it as good as anyone could have.)
The institute has a solid faculty line-up with individuals who have performed really well academically throughout their careers. Mind that they're not very experienced, but all of them have good publications and substance in their profiles. The faculty-to-student ratio is decent too, at 1:20.
https://www.bitslawschool.edu.in/faculty
The institute claims to follow a new age learning method whereby they'll ensure faculty-student interaction to the extent that the faculty knows each and every student completely. (At least they're claiming to follow this practise)
7. Good Scholarships on offer based on merit, gender, diversity, disability, etc.: They're claiming to have set aside more than 3 Crs for their first batch of scholarships. Although there is no cap in the number of students they'll offer scholarships to, I've heard that the number will be around 70% of the batch, which ultimately translates to about 52.9% of scholarships to each individual. {30000000÷0.7×120}
Unlike IIULER, BITS LAW seems to be genuinely serious about building a new age law school. They've got a bit too many green flags to be considered a scam, and high fees shouldn't be the only metric to judge what it is catering to. I do not believe that BITS LAW is trying to be an alternative to Jindal for rich kids; I think it's trying to do what was initially expected of MNLU, Mumbai.
PS: A lot of the things are mere claims at this point with no actual testimony of them. But as far as my individual research goes, this institute is worth looking into :)
Lemme tell you kid, BITS has little brand value other than engineering. They have had an MBA school for years in BITS Pilani. Very average placements.
In the case of BITS law, just hiring two Ji dal ex profs means little lmao. Why not go to Jindal itself, which even charges slightly less. As for the locational advantage of BITS, it’s a fully residential programme and you can intern only during vacations, putting you in the same competition race as other law schools. GLC’s “lifelong interns” have an advantage, not BITS students.
Am I talking about the MBA course at BITS Pilani? I'm talking about an institute that has done phenomenally well in the B-School sphere and has achieved a CAT cutoff of 97 percentile within 2 years. I mentioned it because BITS LAW and BITSoM are supposed to function together as a singular campus.
"Hiring two Jindal Profs means little," Where did Jindal come from dude? Is it a certain quality acertaining factor that I'm not aware of? The current batch strength would be about 120 students (unheard of, right?), which doesn't really require 15-20 faculty members. I've thoroughly explained the scholarships that BITS LAW is offering, can't you understand that it would be a lot cheaper than Jindal if you managed to get one?
Your arguments are so trashy ngl, don't you think one has to attend lectures in order to gain more insight about his area of interest? How does GLC not having an attendance criteria make it such a big of an advantage that an institute that has literally signed up with quite a few firms to take in their students doesn't even compare? And as far as summer internships go, that's the norm in most universities, which seems to be working out well for them.
PS: I would've rather not replied to this but now I've written it so I might as well publish :(
When anyone says, that they are going to disrupt the landscape and become a gamechanger, you know something's fishy. Just like when someone says "trust me" while conversing, you immediately become careful.
BITS can actually do very well. High fees is major challenge for it. Birlas must reduce the fee.
Jindal’s advantages are legacy, strong financial backing, foreign university collaborations, foreign law firm collaborations, dynamic VC with good networking skills.
Jindal’s disadvantages are location, a lot of the revenue is wasted on subsidising new schools that aren’t making money, disproportionate focus on human rights because of the background of the VC, needlessly high student intake, needlessly high faculty intake as a result, dilution in quality as a result, too many woke professors teaching too many woke courses with no market value.
Birla’s advantages are location, no wasteful schools to subsidise, market focus instead of human rights and woke focus.
Birla’s disadvantages are that it is too new and entering a crowded market, lacks collaborations like Jindal, Dean lacks network of Jindal VC, people on the advisory board are desi law firm owners who will fade irrelevance once liberalisation happens.
You just need to be able to afford it.
NLS sucks. BITS private education rocks
Kya din aa gaye hai.. Until sometime back, people used to question the fees of Jindal, but now a new private institute has been set up which is charging even more, so Jindal's fees is being used a base reference point!
For everyone's benefit, recent news reports suggest that even IITs are finding it difficult to place their students, so to rely on BITS legacy for placing students in law firms, it will be extremely hypothetical underwriting. So please don't count on it.