It is crucial to distinguish between (a) tenure-track roles (b) postdoc positions (c) random part time gigs, in descending order of stability and permanence. Either of the first two categories is a mark of academic accomplishment, the third is often luck.

I went to Oxford and am now doing a PhD somewhere else. I know most of these people personally. They are all very sweet people and therefore probably embarassed of this utterly idiotic thread.

Anush is now a lecturer at Leeds, that is tenure track. Vandita has a postdoc, which is prestigious but for a fixed number of years. It is a bit strange to include them in the same list as current PhD candidates.

Both of these links are talking about money when they talk about giving or gifts. Not labour. It’s rich that a well endowed uni like Harvard even pushes so much for gift giving.

Nlus are state funded. They typically don’t approach alumni for money because they are able to sustain themselves on what the government gives them +fees.

Besides- if you wanted to get money targeting some of these early career academics would be a dumb dumb way of doing it. Most of them are living on scholarships / stipends. You should be targeting folks who are partners in law firms or folks who went to work at foreign law firms. That’s a better way to get money.

No one is obligated to give you a gift

Ever. And being entitled about it and trying to make out the case that others are morally failing by not giving you a gift- makes you seem like a three year old having a tantrum.

This is a dumb take. You think they are so poor they need the paltry money that goes to folks teaching credit courses ? They do it because they want to give back.

Research collaboration with who ? There have to be good faculty to collaborate with na ? You know the state most NLUs are in ? Not counting nls - most of them don’t have good researchers on staff. Maybe one or two exceptions but other than that - there’s just not enough people to collaborate with.

Joint degrees ? That’s not up to an individual - it’s A department/ university level decision. And a lot of these schools are just not interested in pursuing something like that. Ivies and Oxbridge get enough money. They don’t need to do joint degrees with Indian universities.

Helped with research proposal ? Huh ? Helped whom? Most academics will review and comment on things for free. But if you’re asking anyone to draw up research proposals for grants for free - that’s just not gonna be possible. It’s too much free labour. And even if the grant gets awarded - who would do the work ? The alumna who is in another school ? Or some faculty at the nlu ? Grant agencies might not want to give out the money if the faculty cannot even write the proposal. And if it’s the alumna in the school abroad- it wouldn’t count as anything for the NLU.

You’re asking for free labour- and it is quite time and effort consuming to apply for grants. And there’s no real way to have it be so that free labour goes to benefit the nlu.

You don’t even seem to know what you’re talking about.

doing a credit course is not giving back, they get paid for it and usually done during vacation in India, have they started a research collab between their present uni and their undergrad uni? the answer is no.

have they encouraged joint degrees or helped with research proposal, again the answer is no.

that would be giving back where there is no expectation of return, not some credit course.

Check this out:

https://www.legallyindia.com/convos/topic/354296-list-of-nlu-and-prominent-private-universities-and-tlcs-post-2000-graduates-currently-teaching-law-in-india

what is really strange is that from thge list shared by everyone I count around 50 indian law graduates who are teaching abroad (supermajority with nlu undergrdaute) however if you count the number of law teachers in India with nlu undegrad it is less than two dozen!!

which means that there are more academics with nlu undergrad teaching outside india than in India

Well, Jagteshwar Sohi, Ajay Sangai, Kapur, Utkarsh Leo, and Chinmayi Deshmukh taught at NALSAR for between a few semesters to five plus years.

Danish Sheikh and Mohsin Alam Bhat offered electives. Shailesh Kumar and Anjali Rawat TA’d there.

So, they have all given back more than the person who wrote this unnecessary comment and the idiots that piled on the likes without bothering to know/determine the facts.

Just look at some of the interview answers some of the scholarship holders had given, all of them said we want to go back to India and serve the motherland etc. but now they are trying to get citizenship in the UK or US. The best thing about internet is - its impossible to delete the high brow things one say to get a scholarship and then 5 years down the line do the complete opposite

Fabulous show by Jindal!👏👏👏

This also holds a lesson:

1. Your professors play a role. If you have inspiring teachers who have studied or trained at good universities abroad, you will want to study abroad and go into academia. NLSIU led the way, then NALSAR, now Jindal. Conversely, mediocre teachers, internal politics and a culture of grade inflation devalues academia and dissuades students from academia. This is the case with certain NLUs.

2. The culture of a law school and alumni also play a role. If students only chase law firm careers and there are no role models in academia, then what can you expect?

JGLS is new school vis-a-vis NLS and Nalsar. However many alumni have secured or on the career track of securing teaching and research positions in foreign universities. Some of them could be the following:

Anirudh Belle, Lecturer in Private Law, Pembroke College & D.Phil Candidate, University of Oxford

Dr. Anush Ganesh, PhD UEA, Lecturer in Law, St. Mary's University, Twickenham, London

Dr. Sabarish Suresh, NUS Post Doctoral Fellow

Navya Jannu, D.Phil Candidate, Oxford

Vandita Khanna, PhD Law Candidate, Cambridge

Ishani Mookerji, D.Phil Candidate, Oxford

Titiksha Mohanty, D.Phil Candidate, Oxford

Rishabh Bajoria, Gates Cambridge Scholar, PhD Candidate, Cambridge

also, if you check the university website profiles, a significant minority of those named here do not even mention wherefrom they have done their undergraduate. They will mention some summer school they have done in NYU but not mention the place where they have spent 5 years doing their undergrad. Of course, we should applaud their personal successes but not celebrate it as some great group achievement.

True. In the end they looked out for themselves, which is fine, however not a reason to celebrate. It's like us celebrating CEOs and world leaders who are Indians, when in reality they're doing nothing in return for India.. they're just doing their job for themselves and their work country. It would have been better if these people gave it back to the society in some way or the other.

Prabha Kotiswaran (NLS now Prof at KCL)

Dev Saif Gangjee (NLS, now Prof at Oxford/LSE?)

There was someone else from NLS who is probably now Dean or something at Deakin Law, Australia. Previously taught in UK and probably in the US as well.

Reena Patel (?) from NLS studied and later taught at Warwick Law. Came back to India and headed up some lesser known private law schools. Wonder why her name doesn't come up.

lol. yall want to keep administration that is corrupt, you want grade inflation and you want no rigor in education at all. And then youre surprised that people with other options wouldnt want to do that with their lives? And somehow theyre the ones that are not to be celebrated?

NLSIU and NALSAR alumni are teaching in the best colleges. That’s because there has always been academic rigour in these two law schools and their best and brightest students have pursued careers in academia, rather than just law firms. Other NLUs are catching up and looking beyond law firms, but they will take another decade to catch up.

While we should celebrate these successes, I just want to ask, how many of these have given back to the academia and research in India, how many collaborations have they created with NLUs, have they helped Indian research progress, have they mediated student exchange or joint programmes etc? if not, then there is nothing to celebrate.

A non law person with NALSAR connect - Shagufta Bhangu. Sociologist from D School. Taught us courses on ‘Work and Labour’ and ‘Documents and Bureaucracy.’ A joy to be in her class. Now at King’s College London.

If my sources are correct, Faizan ▮▮▮ us by not even offering her a contractual position.

Don’t put Anjali Rawat down here. We don’t know if and when she gets an academic job abroad. If you start acting like this then I know a fair few others from NALSAR who are about to complete their doctoral studies abroad - Ajay Sangai, Jagteshwar Sohi, Chinmayi Deshmukh (taught at NALSAR).

Navajyoti Samanta (NUJS, Associate Professor at Leicester)

Shubhankar Dam (NUJS, Portsmouth)

Saptarishi Bandopadhyay (NUJS, Osgoode, York)

Avantik Tamta (NUJS, lecturer and PhD candidate, Melbourne)

Supriyo Routh (NUJS LLM, Victoria)

Chinmayi Arun (NALSAR, Project Director and Research Scholar, Yale)

I only know of

1. Umakanth Varottil (NLSIU, teaching at NUS)

2. Lavanya Rajamani (NLSIU, teaching at Oxford)

3. Madhav Khosla (NLSIU, teaching at Columbia)

4. Shyamkrishna Balganesh (NLSIU, teaching at Columbia)

5. Rohit De (NLSIU, teaching at Yale - albeit legal history)

6. Surya Deva (DU, teaching at Macquarie)

7. Tarunabh Khaitan (NLSIU, teaching at Oxford) [mod note: now at LSE]

8. Rishika Sahgal (NLUD, teaching at Sheffield)

and of course, older profs like Upen Baxi (Gujarat University, teaching at Warwick).

Please comment any names you know, especially from NALSAR/NUJS

Note - please do not list Indians/Indian-origin people who did not get their first law degree in India like Rahul Sagar/Anupam Chander/Madhavi Sunder.