Jindal retains 84th rank, NLSIU retains 201-250 rank. Shows the value of:
a) Dynamic, younger VCs
b) Good faculty educated at reputed colleges abroad
c) International collaborations
Now cue the jealous comments from haters whose colleges NEVER made it to QS. 😘🤣 Darlings, you can continue to live in denial or make demands for good leadership and faculty at your NLUs.
Anyone who sends in data will be ranked at this point . And good American universities are refusing to acknowledge these rankings anymore. But both Jindal and nls have slipped in rankings since the last year. Maybe instead of bragging about every damn thing y’all do introspect and figure out how you can do better.
You are talking absolute nonsense. The reason some American colleges have withdrawn from the US news rankings (not QS) and made SAT optional is because it is almost certain that the US Supreme Court will strike down affirmative action and these rankings are based on SAT score intake. If they continue to be a part of the ranking, the ranking will go down because African-American students typically have much lower SAT scores than white and Asian students. Caltech, which has no affirmative action and purely admits on academic merit, and ranks very high is still sticking with its policy, while the liberal colleges like Columbia etc are withdrawing.
Remember that the US news ranking is based on data that you send them, whereas QS doesn’t expect data. They look at Scopus metrics and circulate a survey to academics to assess academic reputation.
Very disingenuous of you to obfuscate matters and bring in the US news ranking issue in the case of ranking of Indian law schools by QS.
All that it shows is your inability to understand that these rankings are nothing but a game and doesn't really contribute to the growth of any university. You don't know anything about the rankings either, otherwise you would have known that a university needs to apply to be a part of it. QS doesn't keep monitoring all universities across the world and ranking them. It is like saying Jindal is one of the worst universities in the country because it doesn't feature in NIRF. As for good leadership, lol!
Don’t talk rubbish and moderator, please mark the comment as false. You do not need to submit anything to QS. There is no such rule. It is not like in NIRF.
A pity that all these factors even taken together could not help these places produce better graduates than the other places even after all these years. Goes to show the usefulness of these rankings.
Tired of these make believe tiers. The quality of law grads keeps falling the more we obsess about these rankings, because none of these cares about classroom teaching or quality of education.
Only Jindal and NLSIU have faculty comparable to international standards. Tell me ONE other law school in India with faculty of comparable quality. Those downvoting OP are dumb. NLUD, NALSAR and NUJS faculty have left for JGLS and NLSIu.
It’s not cause the teachers aren’t “ good” consider that the answer might be more complicated than just that. Teachers can’t incept ideas into students brains. Producing capable graduates will have to come down to a number of factors like academic culture at the university, the administration allowing for academic freedom and upholding academic integrity, the students being interested in the project of self improvement, and the professors being interested in helping students achieve all this. When nearly none of those things are happening. You can’t blame teachers alone.
There used to be a time when if students failed we told them to work harder. Now when students fail we blame teachers- what a sad sad state of affairs. Especially for university students - the infantilisation and learned helplessness is quite pathetic.
Actually, I can blame the teachers. If they don't have teaching satisfaction and are still there, then they are in it only for the money. Since in this case, they certainly aren't performing any public service. So long as they don't prove that they can produce good students, why on earth should anyone consider them as good teachers?
This is stupid. Would you like it if your job was decided by how anyone else does ? Or would you want your performance to be an indicator of your abilities ? I can’t produce a good student unless it means literally birthing one. There’s complicated factors that feed into how well a universities students do. Teachers can be very good and still have to deal with an uphill battle. Adult life is complicated - you might not get everything you want in a workplace and you might decide that some problems you can work with and some battles you will fight.
Give me a freaking break - people go into teaching to make money? Really? Teaching? Dyou even know how much teaching pays? Anyone who has a law degree - and these folks probably have several- they probably did very well in law school because good students usually want to be teachers- turned down other more lucrative opportunities to teach. Stop assuming and dehumanising your teachers and go talk to them for one second.
Out of 350 faculty that JGLS now has, at least half are freshers with very little experience. They have even recruited people who could barely scrape through their own LLM and given laughable professor designations to juniors with less than 4-5 years of teaching ex, no PhD, nor credible publications. International standards, lol! Having some marquee names doesn't change the fact that JGLS does not do any quality screening whatsoever, be it on student entry level or faculty recruitment.
This is happening at Law School as well. Increased batch sizes mean that fresh recruits are having to teach core subjects for some sections, pretty much on their own, without the expert guidance of experienced faculty.
That's not true. NLS is not hiring people with zero experience. most of them have been teaching in other good schools. I have been taught by some of the fresh recruits and I can vouch for the fact that 90% of them have decent teaching skills. Yeah, of course, there are some absolutely shitty recruits as well but that's an exception.
Teachers are known by the quality of students that they produce. Going by that standard, all the other top NLUs have similar faculty, since the grad outcome is comparable across these places. No ranking will change that.
Faculty quality is not just about their CVs and which colleges they went to. Joga Rao/Malhar/Devidas were more Dharwad than Harvard, yet their teaching ability was way better than many CV chasers that now get appointed in a quest for padding faculty lists with foreign degree holders.
And what did they get out of it? Teaching ability is one thing but expecting professors to have no ambitions is what gets you mostly bitter teachers except for the one or two who are happy with exclusively being about other people's future.
Teaching is a vocation. If you cannot understand that, then you shouldn't become one. It is about helping students become the best version of themselves. The joy that one gets out of it is simply unparalleled. I say that as an NLU alumnus who has been teaching at an NLU for a decade now. The respect is also not something that you would necessarily get in every other profession, provided the students understand that you're genuinely trying to help them and you know your subject well and have empathy for their situations.
Teaching at NLUs and teaching at jgls are very different things. Not necessarily getting into an argument here and not the person you’re responding to.
But I’ve seen many good teachers get burnt out because of the decay in places like this. Their attrition rate is crazy.
Trolls always attack Jindal and QS, citing placements, yet they forget that Jindal outnumbers almost all NLUs on placements in absolute numbers.
Also, just wait for foreign firms to enter India. I can guarantee you that they will prefer Jindal graduates over most of the other NLU graduates, because they give emphasis to the quality of teaching and training received.
a) Dynamic, younger VCs
b) Good faculty educated at reputed colleges abroad
c) International collaborations
Now cue the jealous comments from haters whose colleges NEVER made it to QS. 😘🤣 Darlings, you can continue to live in denial or make demands for good leadership and faculty at your NLUs.
https://www.topuniversities.com/university-rankings/university-subject-rankings/2023/law-legal-studies
https://indianexpress.com/article/education/qs-world-university-rankings-by-subject-du-iit-delhi-mumbai-iisc-courses-8512300/
Remember that the US news ranking is based on data that you send them, whereas QS doesn’t expect data. They look at Scopus metrics and circulate a survey to academics to assess academic reputation.
Very disingenuous of you to obfuscate matters and bring in the US news ranking issue in the case of ranking of Indian law schools by QS.
There used to be a time when if students failed we told them to work harder. Now when students fail we blame teachers- what a sad sad state of affairs. Especially for university students - the infantilisation and learned helplessness is quite pathetic.
Give me a freaking break - people go into teaching to make money? Really? Teaching? Dyou even know how much teaching pays? Anyone who has a law degree - and these folks probably have several- they probably did very well in law school because good students usually want to be teachers- turned down other more lucrative opportunities to teach. Stop assuming and dehumanising your teachers and go talk to them for one second.
But I’ve seen many good teachers get burnt out because of the decay in places like this. Their attrition rate is crazy.
NALSAR
NLUD
NUJS
GNLU
NLUJ
NLIU
RGNUL
RMLNLU
#ActualRanking
Also, just wait for foreign firms to enter India. I can guarantee you that they will prefer Jindal graduates over most of the other NLU graduates, because they give emphasis to the quality of teaching and training received.