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In hindsight, do NALSAR students think they made a mistake in behaving with Sadhguru like that? Could the criticism have been softer, instead of openly jeering and making sarcastic comments by ▮▮▮, aka "NALSAR Joe".
[Also, you're a troll and are not actually interested in a real debate but are either: unsuccessfully trolling Nalsarites, trolling co-called "Nalsar Joe", trolling the LI mods, or shilling for Sadhguru. You are free to prove us wrong with bona fide engagement to our post, as we bona fide engaged with you, but in the absence of such proof, future Nalsar-😭-Sadhguru posts will not be published.]
Just look at the comments on YouTube about the argumentative skills displayed by Nalsar Joe. Definitely it caused a big dent to their perception as is visible by the drop in the NIRF rank perception.
Also fyi, no one cares about nirf. IITK is/was highly ranked as a law college, which is all you need to know about the legitimacy of the same.
Also, the whole "no one cares about NIRF" is an old excuse and a bit hypocritical considering how widely publicised the rankings are. Hell, even on this website, the NIRF threads have the most comments. If no one cared about it, it would be like any other pointless magazine ranking that gets no attention. People want their college to get ranked high and are bitter about it when it doesn't and then they go through the 4 stages of grief. Do some self-introspection for your own good.
Fyi, the London training contract is not to show that he moved abroad. The vacation scheme process to get a training contract is so rigorous that only 4-6 Indians out of everyone in India gets selected (unlike Indian T1s, which basically mass recruit). I'd say that speaks volumes about his argumentation skills, wouldn't you? (As opposed to the argumentation skills of someone who uses the publicity that rankings get on a random website to vouch for it's reliability and ignores the statement about IIT-K made above.)
The training contract thing is overrated, sorry. Being from a Tier-1 myself, I know enough peers of mine who got the TCs. You don't need to display some amazing argumentative skills to get one. They are more interested in your grades and academic performance and they have the luxury of choosing the top rankers because they know London is an attractive destination for most Indians since India isn't going to be a developed nation anytime soon. ▮▮▮
How does that even correlate to Joe and Sadhguru’s argument anyway? That if you get a vac scheme, then your lack of argumentative logic in another context is excusable?
I don’t personally care about whether is someone moving abroad or not, they’ll have their own reasons, but the childish attempts by people from NALSAR to use that as a reason to prove that Joe be given a free pass from criticism for his behaviour is quite pathetic.
Bottomline: Kids, don't take politics and ideology too seriously in college. You will change after you encounter the real world. Have fun in college, that's all.
If anything, all the Nalsar folks were triggered so easily when they couldn't argue against Sadhguru better. It wouldn't have even been hard considering that Sadhguru talks crap but Nalsar ▮▮▮. Instead, they're now known for being an Internet meme.
I did not sleep the night before, and that was a mistake, because it resulted in a sub-optimal performance from my end. I did control both the pro, and anti-Sadhguru crowd enough. Not sleeping was one of my biggest mistakes, that I will take my grave. Not a day goes by, when I don't wish, I could rewind time, and just sleep the night before. I was almost unconscious, I was so sleepy. I could have (POLITELY!) pushed him, on the incorrect statements he made. His rubbish justification of spending 3600 crores, on statues, and the comparison he drew with alcohol consumption was brain dead stupid. There were many contradictions, and red flags in his views, which I did not push, as much as I would have liked. Of course, I was constrained by two ▮▮▮ moderators on my right, and left (I was in the center). I regret, not controlling the audience.
There are those at Nalsar who say that the entire Sadhguru episode is evidence of the fact that he should not have been invited in the first place, I disagree. Put simply, in a democracy, the more popular side wins. How will the Left garner support, if it cannot politely engage, and expose the inconsistencies in the statements of charlatans such as Sadhguru? It cannot ! We need to learn to engage. But we were to focused on acting "smart" which alienated even the moderate crowd. In my private conversations with 'Joe' I have always expressed my regret at controlling his unwarranted comments. He should have controlled himself better.
There are lot of red flags about Sadhguru, such as him denying his in-laws the opportunity to EVEN SEE, his wife's dead body, his soft support for the BJP, the pseudo scientific statements he makes, and so on. But, I should have slept, and engaged with him more incisively (and politely). I knew I had the intellectual capacity to expose his political and anti-science side. A day does not go by, when I wish I could turn back time.
Sadhguru, is a selfish pro BJP egomaniac, but I could have politely engaged, with him, and more importantly, ensured that the audience also politely engaged with him. Us, letting our emotions get the better of us, was a mistake which caused harm to our own side. There were excellent critiques to be made
And I know for a fact that Indians don't have a great reputation before the rest of the world anyway regardless of the PM's antics. You've clearly never been abroad and seen how one Indian's behavior can disparage an entire community. Stop wasting my time, tomato dude.
Also, ▮▮▮ but Sadhguru was your guest and it is basic decency to treat a guest politely, instead of heckling him. Especially a guest who is so much elder to you.
But you clearly did not prep enough. You did not do your research, you did not watch enough videos, you did not talk to real people who could give you information, and you’re telling us you didn’t sleep. The failing here isn’t just that you had a bad day because you were running on low sleep. The failing here is not recognising that even if your opponent has undoubtedly been and continues to be immoral, he is good at lying and obfuscating and manipulating data to make himself look good. Not taking seriously enough that someone else can be just as smart or smarter than you is a failing. Hopefully since you’ve graduated you have learnt that it takes more than “smarts” to win. It takes work and effort.
I don’t think the students should regret that they “disrespected” him whatever that means. I don’t think they were disrespectful at all. they were perfectly civil if a little dismissive and cocky. It’s not disrespect to not immediately fall at every old guy with a beards feet. I do think students behaviour betrayed immaturity in this episode.
The world is full of all sorts of people . And while you and I may not be that religious if we ever hope to actually win the moral fight, we can’t dismiss people who are religious or be smug toward them. We must engage with them seriously.
And it s fine when it’s in the university space- students are supposed to be immature, their brains are still developing. But when you allow a conman the right to record and manipulate your conversation - you’ve essentially given him all he came for. And so many people now think nalsar students are arrogant out of touch idiots because of this. And you squandered an opportunity to actually do some good.