Ashoka is a lot more respected than Jindal and taken more seriously. The top academics there are A-list heavyweights, even with Pratap Bhanu Mehta and Arvind Subramaniam leaving. 99% of teachers there have a PhD, unlike Jindal. Also, their chancellor is not a businessman like Naveen Jindal, but a historian with a PhD from Oxford (Rudrangshu Mukherjee). Their VC is Malabika Sarkar, who was VC of Presidency College in Kolkata, a very respected institution. Ashoka's marketing is also more dignified than Jindal and less flashy, Also, they have more quality control in student selection.
Agree with all of it with a small fact correction. Sarkar was not the VC of Presi when it used to be a college under CU. She became VC after Presi became a university. Arguably, its reputation has taken a hit since then.
Quality Control?! What a joke. Literally anyone who applies to Ashoka gets in. You don't even need have good grades and the difficulty level of the entrance does not even come close to LSAT/CLAT. The interview is also really easy. And is someone really going to spend ~ 40 lakhs for doing a Liberal Arts course? One wont' even get a placement of half this amount after graduating.
I dont think reputation is the issue here. Jindal outscores Ashoka on reputation, both Academic and Employer (check the Rankings Indicators tab on the QS website). Where Ashoka is doing better than Jindal seems to be internationalisation, including student exchange, international students and faculty.
Ashoka is better known any day. Jindal is known only to lawyers, while Ashoka has a reputation among the general public.
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Where Ashoka is doing better than Jindal seems to be internationalisation, including student exchange, international students and faculty.
On the contrary. Ashoka has fewer partners and is choosy about which university to partner with and which students to send abroad. Ashoka's partners are King’s College London, Harvard, Sciences Po, HEC Paris and University of Melbourne, according to their website. Jindal has 10 times more partners and exchange programmes. The same ones as Ashoka, but also many random colleges.
Not splitting hairs but that was actually in Chimni's time. Though the History Prof starting from Menon's time - Daymanti Datta was also pedigree wise excellent. No idea about the current one, except that he is very good meme material...
Ashoka is and has been better than Jindal, as a student this does not even surprise me. Their Young India Fellowship attracts talent from some of the most renowned institutions in the country across all fields. Their placement season during the pandemic started with companies that only visit the top IIMs and other very respectable firms (Anheuser-Busch InBev, Accenture, Alvarez & Marsal, Bain & Company, Boston Consulting Group (BCG), Kearney, Deloitte USI, EY-Parthenon, Fractal Analytics, Gartner, Unilever, Indus Insights, and JSW Steel).
On a larger scale, you could compare Jindal and Ashoka to China and Japan. Jindal is arguably "bigger" owing to its massive expansionist approach. Opening new schools each year, aggressive marketing campaigns, and wildly recruiting faculty who just graduated with an LLM albeit from good universities. But Ashoka has always focused on quality and it never tried to expand beyond what it aimed to do. It instead made sure that it is known for what it does and it indeed is. As a Jindal student, I had never doubted the fact that Ashoka is better. My friends from Ashoka got placed in Microsoft and Google, a feat that Jindal is yet to achieve so I highly doubt the "employability" rankings as well.
What Jindal is doing is also impressive but there is little or no quality control. In my opinion, Jindal should scout for 30 talented students in each of its courses who have won olympiads etc and scored 99+ in LSATs and then pay not just their academic fees but also residential fees and other expenses. Maybe pay a little stipend too. This would incentivise talent to give up other options and join Jindal. Moreover there should be a focus on improving existing courses rather than opening a new one. Also I think Ashoka ranks not at 239 but somewhere around 160-170, only someone who knows Ashoka in and out and is already a part of a "globally ranked university" knows who good Ashoka actually is doing. This reminds me of one more criticism, owing to small batch sizes, the alumni relations of Ashoka are much better than Jindal.
Ashoka no doubt has more class and sophistication, along with students who are more sincere. But Jindal's larger size and money power means that the campus has more facilities. Jindal has Domino's, Subway, Moti Mahal etc, but Ashoka has a very lame canteen. The sports facilities at Jindal are also much better.
Arre bhai harr jagah the Great Holy Law School ka naam mention karna zaroori hai kya? Do you not know the principle that you should not take the name of The Great One in vain?
Kya yeh sab chhote mote colleges ke thread mein naam le rahe ho. How do you know the ranking methodology of a particular ranking system is flawed? When The Great Holy Law School does not sit at the top.
Ashoka is better known any day. Jindal is known only to lawyers, while Ashoka has a reputation among the general public.
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Where Ashoka is doing better than Jindal seems to be internationalisation, including student exchange, international students and faculty.
On the contrary. Ashoka has fewer partners and is choosy about which university to partner with and which students to send abroad. Ashoka's partners are King’s College London, Harvard, Sciences Po, HEC Paris and University of Melbourne, according to their website. Jindal has 10 times more partners and exchange programmes. The same ones as Ashoka, but also many random colleges.
Jindal's reputation isn't really a great one in the Indian legal sector either, at least not yet. The respect is still missing that Ashoka can and does count upon within its domain.
Ashoka and Jindal will mutually benefit each other being at walking distances. IIM Ahmedabad did good to other universities like MICA in the vicinity. IIT Kanpur benefitted HBTI and others. Jindal and Ashoka will also benefit each other. But the underdog winner could be NLU Sonipat if it plays its cards right.
People here are so happy that an institution has ranked above Jindal, same people who say rankings are farce when NIRF comes out. Abe jaake padh lo, is agenda se na tumhara kuch hoga na jindal ka.
Jindal Ashoka comparison is unfair. Ashoka is a small and premier liberal arts college. It has done well but it remains a small institute like NLS Bangalore or NLU Delhi. Jindal is much bigger multidisciplinary university, at least five times bigger in size than Ashoka or NLS. Jindal law school is ranked 76 in world by same QS ranking. Jindal is comparable to bigger universities in Social Science, Humanities like JNU or TISS.
Please compare Jindal with TISS or JNU, go on. Once again, it will emerge miles behind of the other two. Nobody outside Jindal cares about Jindal, that remains to be a fact. That's not the scene with Ashoka, TISS, or JNU.
Ashoka is overrated. It is just a luxury version of JNU. Full of left-liberal professors teaching woke subjects with no relation to the job market. Better to study for a BBA/BCom from a simple and cheap govt college, then spend on an MBA what you would have spent on Ashoka.
If QS ranks Ashoka but not NLSIU then it is a joke of a ranking. NLSIU has been around for much longer and has hugely successful alumni all over the world. Maybe the faculty was not top-notch, but since Sudhir took over he has hired excellent alumni as faculty. Fine if QS ranks Ashoka above NLSIU, but to ignore NLSIU complete (even in QS Asia) shows what a flawed ranking this is.
This ranking is wrong. Please compare Jindal and Ashoka placement packages. Jindal placements are much better. Liberal arts graduates do not get packages like those offered by Big 7 firms, or even tier 2 firms.
- In top 100: Big 5 IITs (Del, Bom, Mad, Kharagpur, Kanpur) + IISC + DU
- Jindal in 251-260 band, tied with AMU, IIT Ropar, IIT Bhubaneswhar and IIT-ISM Dhanbad.
- BUT Ashoka debuts at 239, overtaking Jindal.
Ashoka is smaller than Jindal and teaches only liberal arts at the undergrad level, yet overtook Jindal, which is creditable.
https://www.topuniversities.com/university-rankings/world-university-rankings/2022
https://www.topuniversities.com/university-rankings/asian-university-rankings/2022
https://www.ndtv.com/education/qs-asia-rankings-2022-18-indian-institutes-in-top-200-iit-bombay-leads-42nd-rank
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Quote: On the contrary. Ashoka has fewer partners and is choosy about which university to partner with and which students to send abroad. Ashoka's partners are King’s College London, Harvard, Sciences Po, HEC Paris and University of Melbourne, according to their website. Jindal has 10 times more partners and exchange programmes. The same ones as Ashoka, but also many random colleges.
On a larger scale, you could compare Jindal and Ashoka to China and Japan. Jindal is arguably "bigger" owing to its massive expansionist approach. Opening new schools each year, aggressive marketing campaigns, and wildly recruiting faculty who just graduated with an LLM albeit from good universities. But Ashoka has always focused on quality and it never tried to expand beyond what it aimed to do. It instead made sure that it is known for what it does and it indeed is. As a Jindal student, I had never doubted the fact that Ashoka is better. My friends from Ashoka got placed in Microsoft and Google, a feat that Jindal is yet to achieve so I highly doubt the "employability" rankings as well.
What Jindal is doing is also impressive but there is little or no quality control. In my opinion, Jindal should scout for 30 talented students in each of its courses who have won olympiads etc and scored 99+ in LSATs and then pay not just their academic fees but also residential fees and other expenses. Maybe pay a little stipend too. This would incentivise talent to give up other options and join Jindal. Moreover there should be a focus on improving existing courses rather than opening a new one. Also I think Ashoka ranks not at 239 but somewhere around 160-170, only someone who knows Ashoka in and out and is already a part of a "globally ranked university" knows who good Ashoka actually is doing. This reminds me of one more criticism, owing to small batch sizes, the alumni relations of Ashoka are much better than Jindal.
Kya yeh sab chhote mote colleges ke thread mein naam le rahe ho. How do you know the ranking methodology of a particular ranking system is flawed? When The Great Holy Law School does not sit at the top.
Quote: On the contrary. Ashoka has fewer partners and is choosy about which university to partner with and which students to send abroad. Ashoka's partners are King’s College London, Harvard, Sciences Po, HEC Paris and University of Melbourne, according to their website. Jindal has 10 times more partners and exchange programmes. The same ones as Ashoka, but also many random colleges.