Yay, Best colleges (public and private respectively?): Go IIT Madras! go Indian Institute of Science Bangalore!

Engineering: 1. IIT Madras (surprise!)
Management: 1. IIT Ahmedabad

Wow, they're really going damn fast this year, ploughing through this, compared to last year's snoozefest... https://www.legallyindia.com/lawschools/government-s-nirf-university-rankings-to-be-released-tomorrow-20200610-11483

~ G

First 5 have been announced:



1. NLSIU Bangalore
2. NLU Delhi
3. Nalsar Hyderabad
4. NUJS Kolkata
5. IIT Kharagpur

Last year, the top 6 (including NUJS) were this:



In the new category of research institutions, 5 colleges are announced as picking up prizes. No points for guessing, no law colleges: Only 5 IITs (Bgl, Madras, Bombay, Delhi and Kharagpur, in that order)

False. Check your facts before you spew them out.

NLUD has about as many Rhodes scholars as NUJS and NALSAR did at the same age (with much lesser competition at that time).

As for moots, NLUD has won 5-6 big international moots (2 Man Lachs, 1 ICC, 1 Ox Price and 1 Ox IPR, as well as Henry Dunant Worlds). NALSAR only has 2 notable wins (1 Vis Vienna, 1 Ox Price) and NUJS has about 4-5 (2 Vis Vienna and 2 Vis HK). So, NLUD is only behind NLS on this metric despite being 20 years younger.

You call that goalpost shifting, troll? You're the one shifting goalposts by now claiming that one moot is that much better than another. In absolute number of moot wins (both domestic and foreign), NLUD is better than NALSAR. NALSAR is tied with Jindal with just 2 wins. NLUD also has better debating and ADR achievements, FYI. Go check if you are that keen, I don't have the time to list them all out. But I'll bet your butt-hurt ego will deny all that, including the superior NIRF rank for 4 years in a row, and continue to claim that NALSAR is much better.

Never did I claim that NALSAR was better than NLUD. The only person trolling here is you. Yes, it is goalpost shifting when you claim better Rhodes performance and then say only insofar as formative years go. And I am not making any person claim that one moot is better than another. The entire moot fraternity is aware of facts. The fact remains that you are not satisfied only with the areas NLUD has actually delivered better performance like research or UPSC, instead you are trying to bulldoze the argument by claiming its false superiority in areas where it doesn't have such preference. Such as Rhodes, moots and placement (the last one it doesn't have better performance than even NLUJ).

You are wasting my time arguing like this. You and your NLS/NALSAR/NUJS buddies can downvote NLUD all you want but it doesn't change any facts. I have been following moots since my time at law school and if you want to argue that NALSAR has better performances at say Jessup or Vis compared to NLUD, I won't sit here denying that. But the fact is that in terms of winning moots, (Ox IPR and Henry Dunant aren't some cheap international moots that anyone can easily win, NLS and Nalsar teams take part in them every year) NLUD is ahead of NALSAR.

I don't understand how IIT Kharagpur is at 5th, I know that they have an 3 year course on IP but still most 3 year law courses has no market value.

Except places like CLC DU, GLC etc.

The only thing which that University offers its name value which is also worthless in the law field.

I went through the data which they submitted last year, placements are a joke, no notable alumni from there in law field and very bad placement packages.

NLUJ, GNLU and NLIU are wayyy better Law schools than IIT KGP.

I mean imo these rankings are useless and so is the hype about them. Moreover the contradicting stance of people irks me. Students would cite these rankings to flaunt to their superiority but that the same time call them false because of NLUD’s position over NALSAR, NLUJ and NUJS. Other reservations were kept, the people who are currently ostentatiously displaying these rankings everywhere would have completely repudiated its credibility by labelling it state and govt’s bias if GNLU was in the top 5 (albeit being an excellent institution completely capable of being in the top 5). The entire structure of NIRF would have been rebuffed if JGLS was given a spot in it. Currently, NLUD is facing the brunt of it. Thankfully, GNLU, NLUJ, Jindal and NLIU are safe. But you can’t have it both ways? You can’t be proud of being in a ranking and at the same time question it’s credibility for a very well deserving university at #2. What’s the point of rankings if you already have a ranking inside your head and are not ready to accept contrary opinions?

National Law University, Delhi, deserves credit for coming in so young and consistently beating two of the ‘top three’ for two consecutive years in a ranking which is acknowledged and accepted by the ‘top three’. It demonstrates that the ‘top three’ are not unbeatable, and that newer institutions can outperform them. Don't forget that it wasn't always a ‘top three,’ but a ‘top four,’ with NLIU included. We know that the ‘top three' are not invincible, as shown by the fall of NLIU and the ascent of NLUD over NALSAR and NUJS. I'm hoping to see NLUJ and GNLU in the top 5 in the near future.

Quoting from Eminem- Lucky you ft. Joyner Lucas

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I'm sorry, but I disagree with JGLS point. If the daughter of the man who released these rankings, Union Minister of Education Mr Dharmendra Pradhan, is getting an education in Jindal and Jindal is ranked in the top 5, I will be concerned. I have nothing but admiration for Jindal and Mr. Dharmendra Pradhan for refusing to participate because that would have been foul play.

Rule of natural justice:- Nemo judex in causa sua, a dictum

JGLS isn't participating, in my opinion, since private institutions aren't given enough weight in the NIRF rankings. No private institution can be identified in any ranking, regardless of the streams. In the fields of engineering, medicine, architecture, law, management, and even research, I couldn't identify a single private institution in the top five. The Institute of Technology, Pilani (BITS Pilani) has been overlooked. MDI Gurugram has been completely overlooked. ISB Hyderabad has been completely overlooked. XLRI has gone unnoticed. CMC Vellore has been completely overlooked. These are all #2 and #3 in India easily. Symbiosis being one of the oldest private institutions in India has been entirely ignored. Strong case for private universities to not participate in these rankings.

Yo R, could you investigate into this? Is this a ranking meant for public institutions solely? This is a legit question. These are some of the best universities in India. You could feature this observation as well.

One more question, do they value scientific research over liberal arts, legal research? If that’s not the case, Ashoka university should be above all other universities in terms of research output.

Good questions! Minister said something like: in future, also private institutions should participate (though some do). "I expect much more participation in the ranking framework and more quality framework."

One of the IAS types who actually did the ranking and knows what they're talking about then piped up with a correction for the minister: "In the top 100 list there are around 20-30 institutions in the list." (but in the top 10 there were fewer)

So yes, private institutions are definitely allowed and encouraged to participate in NIRF but (in)famously, Jindal has decided to stay out, if that's what you're getting at...

In respect of your second point, any research is included but as far as we understand, scientific research output is much much greater in India and will get more international citations also (since much liberal arts research in India may be about India). So purely in terms of numbers and the citations scores, scientific research would probably trump humanities...

~ R

Well applying your Rule of natural justice:- Nemo judex in causa sua, a dictum, NIRF rankings must not be adjudged by the state (central govt.) because it cannot judge and rank universities established, held and managed by itself against privately held universities.

These are some possible reasons why IIT KGP keeps sneaking into the rankings:

1. For parameters like campus infrastructure they cite the overall parameters for IIT KGP (which is technically not cheating, as all IIT schools have common access).

2. They have 100% or near 100% placement due to small batch size and niche job market for patent engineers.

3. The names of recruiters (like Microsoft or TCS) impress NIRF more than CAM and SAM, even if salary is lower.

4. IIT brand name

Shame on those of you trolling Dharmendra Pradhan's daughter. Jindal does not even participate in NIRF. She is an innocent girl who is being tarnished for no reason. Mr Pradhan is also one of the most honest ministers in India today. Note that Jindal will not participate in NIRF for next few years at least, possible even never.

Middle of Salt Lake City - Middle of Nowhere - I think that makes up for the in house infrastructure difference.

As for governmental interference, it also gets countered by the fact that NUJS' has had a great student body (with the exception of the current SJA) that has actively acted against VCs and Registrar who have been complete government stooges.

Only someone really pathetic will call there law school peers "idiots". People from NLS and NALSAR are so much more gracious even when criticising NLD D. Actually they don't criticize NLU D they criticise NIRF rankings. But you guys are just demeaning. Just goes to show about immaturity of you and other NLU D fanboys/girls here.

Not really. None of these "graduates" were very gracious when it came to criticising NLUD. Go see some of the older threads on NLUD's achievements.
Luckily, no one at NLUD really cares what they think and are continuing to cement their place as one of the best in the country. It's not like NLUD needs permission from NLS or NALSAR grads to do well for itself although the latter would like to believe that.
Also, don't forget that NLS grads did go and argue against their "great friends" from NALSAR and NUJS that only NLS didn't deserve to have any domicle quota. Before Sudhir screwed them over.

rankings are a construct of underlying variables, you choose which variables matter to in what ratio and come up with your own ranking. NIRF is no better than any other ranking except for the purported authenticity and reliability of their data. Wait for the disclosure of the underlying data and then you can have any meaningful debate (if you want to). IMHO the only ranking that matters will be the one chosen by CLAT aspirants (which is close to the perception ranks for NIRF). Which is NLS, NALSAR, NUJS etc. NLUD is an outlier because it doesnt take students via CLAT, next year when they do the ranking 'problem' will be solved to a great extent.

NUJS has scored very well in placements. Excellent score. It could have easily ranked 2, but for the fact that its RPC (Faculty Research) score is shockingly low. So it means the faculty are doing jack shit while the students are pushing the college upwards. The faculty is really hurting the NIRF score.

This urgently needs to be addressed. Faculty publishing C-grade articles in D-grade journals must be sacked. SJA must urgently demand that all faculty publish only in Scopus-indexed journals. In India, that covers EPW, JIPR, Jindal Law Review. But why India, faulty must publish in foreign journals listed in SCOPUS.

This is really disheartening. Students working so hard and faculty brining the college down.

Are you saying that the faculty have got no role to play in the fact that the students end up securing good jobs? Then why aren't the students of other universities getting similar placement records? What rubbish! It is true that the faculty should focus on good publications, but students should actually start demanding better faculty student ratio, less administrative workload on faculty, and get faculty with good publication record instead of adhering to archaic UGC rules (students had demanded earlier that faculty should only be taken on the basis of such rules regardless of their industry experience) and state-fangled reservation policies.

While the solution pointed out here may not be the most sound (while SCOPUS is great for science publications, it should not be used as the holy grail for legal faculty) - it is true that NUJS' rankings could be far better if the faculty put in a bit more effort for god's sake!

People are not going to like it because nobody wants to be called tier 2 or tier 3 but this seems fairly reasonable. Also moderator, are you sure this is trollish? I can not spot anything outright unbelievable. Every observation seems more or less reasonable. Moroever its their personal opinion

Even the Shanghai Rankings this year has marked CU as second behind IISC. Student preference is not really a metric for rankings, national or international. And HU is doing amazingly well in terms of research over the last 2-3 years, got plenty of funding too. People who actually know the educational sector are aware of that.

Not to overlook the other inconsistences, but DU is genuinely falling. There's just some overhype among humanities students that DU is the best place to be. But tbh, DU colleges are way beyond their glory days. Universities like Jadavpur and Hyderabad are doing great. Did you know JU holds more patents than IIT-KGP? It has more research spending too. So why should a student interested in BSc. pure science degrees not go there and go to a Hindu/Ramjas where even the laboratories haven't been repaired in years?

CU and JU have been there for a very long time. So has been DU. Yes, some departments are great in CU and some are great in DU. Can't speak much for JU - but CU has produced legal luminaries, top politicians, and many other legends. Same with DU. Stop comparing - both are great and still doing fantastic despite new colleges opening up in every corner of the country. The legacy of both CU and DU is class apart.

NIRF claims that:

1) Indian Institute of Technology Kharagpur > GNLU > Jamia Millia Islamia > NLU Jodhpur
2) Kalinga Institute of Industrial Technology, Saveetha Institute of Medical and Technical Sciences > National Law Institute University, Bhopal, RMLNLU, RGNUL
3) Shanmugha Arts Science Technology & Research Academy > NLUO
4) Lovely Professional University > NUALS Kochi

If I was a prospective CLAT aspirant, would my seniors in NLUD, NUJS celebrating these rankings suggest me to choose Saveetha Institute of Medical and Technical Sciences over NLIU Bhopal?

QS>BS

A lot of colleges have suffered because of low research and consultancy scores (RPC), while it also inflated some ranks. Here is the ranking based on RPC only:

1. IIT: 77.46
2. NLSIU: 55.64
3. NALSAR: 47.60
4. Saveetha Institute: 45.02
5. NLUD: 42.81
6. GNLU: 42.27
7. ICFAI: 38.60
8. Panjab University: 35.87
9. Jamia: 34.99
10. Shanmugha Academy: 34.37
11. GGSIP: 32.56
12. NUJS: 31.89
13. NLUJ: 29.82
14. Christ: 29.62
15. UPES: 28.28
16. RGNUL: 27.41
17. BHU: 26.55
18. KIIT: 26.53
19. AMU: 26.37
20. NLIU: 25.95
21. NUALS: 20.63
22. Symbiosis: 18.82
23. ILI: 15.96
24. NLUO: 13.12
25. Lovely: 9.73
26. NLU Assam: 3.24
27. RMLNLU: 2.60
28. DSNLU: 2.57
29. Army: 0.49
30. Sikkim: 0

From Bar & Bench:

120 law colleges from across the country participated in this year's NIRF Rankings.

The rankings are based on a number of factors including intake and student strength, placement & higher studies, number of PhD students, financial resources, sponsored research undertaken, consultancy projects, facilities for physically challenged students and faculty.

https://www.barandbench.com/news/lawschools/nirf-rankings-2021-nlsiu-nlu-delhi-nalsar-top-three-law-colleges

Does anyone know if NUJS mentioned Sports Authority of India in their NIRF application to claim that they have sports facilities? NIRF should note that SAI is different from NUJS. AFAIK SAI facilities are meant for Olympians to train in.

I am not trying to put anyone down, I just want clarity on what was communicated by NUJS to NIRF.