Hi, I'm currently in my 3rd year of undergrad. Is the 3year LLB in NLS a good place for Corp? I have heard that they are not getting internships and are struggling to compete with the 5year LLB folks! I don't want to be jobless after spending 11lakhs and 3years of my life! Can someone from the 3year LLB confirm?
Only 1 person has got an internship in AZB for the Feb break. Max 1-2 students will get a placement on Day Z/one. If you are looking for Corp, this is not the right place. If you are looking for quality education or a career in academia then 3year LLB in NLS is a good place.
The 3 year LLB is closer to the MPP course. A lot of hype with no jobs. The MPP entrance examination last year attracted 300 aspirants. The 3 year LLB entrance examination fared marginally better.
Yes, they couldn't even fill all the seats lol. There are only 24 students in the MPP course (They had advertised 60 seats). Similarly for the LLB course, they had filled only 81/120 seats!
There is no Law School brand. Only young students trolling in social media think that there is one. NLSIU doesn't provide any higher quality education than the other comparable institutions in this country.
He has hired a lot of good profs tbh. Consti for example: There is Aparna, Arun, Sanjay Jain, Sudhir. For juris, we have Nigam, Rahul, Raag, Sudhir. For almost all the subjects, we have 3-4 good profs. So almost all the sections will get good profs!
Okay. How many people for Corp, Law & Tech, Cap Marks, Procedure, Tax and other industry relevant subs though? Moreover, under his new model, each faculty member is only required to teach 6 hours a week, so don't think that all the students will be getting the same level of attention from even good faculty. 300 is just too high a number for an undergrad batch given the resources and future scope in law. Also, placing Raag in that list is highly premature. Nigam is a good guy, but he finds it difficult to convey his lessons effectively in class to all kinds of students. Sudhir will not be taking many classes himself and he only caters effectively to a certain group of students too. With an exclusive small batch, these people could have worked wonders, but even they will be struggling with these new huge numbers. Not to mention that it is really unfair for one section to be taught by one faculty and another by a different person.
For corp, there is Rahul Singh and Sudhanshu. Both of them teach well. They will probably hire another person next year as there will be 3 sections for Corp law next year. Subjects like Law and Tech etc are mostly taught by visiting profs in the form of electives. The reason why I put Raag on the list is because he teaches well. Personally, I have enjoyed Nigam's class.
There will have to be 5 sections once the batch starts admitting 300. That's the problem. Sorry, Rahul and Sudhanshu are not comparable to or interchangeable with each other (Rahul is way better). Sudhir's model means one person won't be teaching same topic to all students, but different teachers will teach at different sections, which is really unfair to some.
The intake will continue to increase by 60 every year for the next 3 - 4 years. The aim is to top 500 by 2027/28 and a fee increase of 20 - 25% every year.
Good, the Consti law scholar planning to do his bit to make legal education progressively inaccessible. Where are they going to get the land though, since KU refused to let them have any?
Bro literally no one said that any master's program from an NLU adds to brand value. Forget MBA and MPP even MBL or LLM does not add any brand value. Doing MBA from NLS or NALSAR adds exactly the same brand value as doing law from an IIM. (I know certain IIMs have started offering law)
Anyone with an actual understanding of dev policy would choose to go to a specialised institution, and not NLS for MPP, which is seen as 'prestigious' simply because of the NLS tag. Have you seen the quality of placements? Its for pseudo-intellectuals who think they care about development and impact, but are actually v incompetent
I vehemently dispute your premise of the argument. Judging a 2 year old law course with flagship BALLB course is intellectual dishonesty and comparison of apples and oranges.
Give this course 5 years tops. It will beat BALLB hands down. The quality of students, the diversity of thought and the richness of discourse is way ahead than what BALLB can envision.
That is a separate issue. The reason why complete filling of seats did not happen is because of sui generis nature of the NLSAT paper with objective and subjective component and the lack of a waiting list unlike CLAT based entrance
"Quality of students"? Bro people from the 3-year LLB literally cried because the Moot problems for Univ rounds used to be too difficult for them to even participate. This is also the batch that struggles to make it into Journals or any inter-batch position without reservation.
Yes, a few people are actually intelligent and hard-working but they are in single digits only!
Your comment sounds as if you learnt art of mooting right from childhood. People cope and learn differently, they might have been exasperated in first year but see the growth in second year.
Secondly look at the batch size in respect of % composition. Considering the relatively small size, they have done quite well.
Like I said, let the first batch graduate and give some buffer time. LLB will be dominating the legal services field. A lot of people will prefer doing another degree and then pursuing the three year program rather than spending five year doing law right out of school when they havent signed a contract themselves.
Please don’t misconstrue my words as being derisive of BALLB, all I am saying is this unnecessary slander of LLB is uncalled for without taking into the merits and facts of the matter. Just because a batch is not able to get few internship in so called corporate firms is not a stamp of character of their success or failure of the course.
Simple. Every lawyer who has a 3 year degree who has done something worthwhile are from those places. You need not trust me, bro. Just go out there and look. Their fees are also in the public domain and everyone knows that they charge a fraction of what NLUs do.
I gave the NLSAT last year. Couldn't crack it. So, my humble and dumb sounding advice will be to crack the exam first. It has very high cut off for General Male non Karnataka candidates. Easier to get in for Karnataka or some category candidates.
As far as seats remaining empty thing is concerned, I would still go and join the course if they allow me. So, if you have any genuine contacts which might allow please let me know. Seriously. I have no issue getting into a 3y LLB course and spending money. Par saala le toh.
Also, one advice. The part A of NLSAT is the real deal. It is not top 75% percentile. You need to minimum be in the top 75 percentile and then the top 300-500 will have their part B checked. So, actually it is like the top 90 percentile. Read the instructions. Do part A fully. Then go for B. Else, like me, B won't be checked and you can cry in some corner.
I am trying to understand whether it is worth preparing for the exam. If I don't have a better chance of getting a job than DU, then I will prepare for DU LLB and prep for the judiciary
Go for DU, save your money, invest it in a good judiciary coaching. The paper pattern in DU is also similar to judiciary which unfortunately focuses a lot on rote learning.
Total 120 seats. 1:5 Part B checking ratio. So, 120*5=600 copies will be checked.
Removing all kinds of reservations, out of 120 seats, if you are a General Non Karnataka male you have 48-49 seats to compete. Now, since reservation is applied on each step of the process, if we take the 1:5 answer booklet checking ratio of Part B, you need to be in 48*5=240.
So in all the students who are taking the exam, you need to be in the top 240 in Part A, to have Part B checked. It's not a guarantee of selection, but getting Part B checked. These are the rules of the game that coaching wallah don't emphasise much (and continue singing the 75 percentile in Part A song on loop) which later leads to heartbreaks.
What I understood from the 2023 Exam was that those General Male Non Karnataka candidates who almost topped Part A and completed the whole 8 passages + completed the whole Part B with good enough answers in all questions and essay were able to get admission. Meaning you need to ace the paper. It is not that impossible to be honest, as I completed part B fully and 6 passages of part A (while leaving 2 passages that cost me), and the marks just add up in the end. But the message is, you need to ace the paper to get in.
Central University established since 1920s with average annual enrolment of > 50,000 vs a NLU established in late 1980s with average annual enrolment of <100 is pari passu
Using the words of recent meme trend - "Hum karein toh karein kya, bolein toh bolein kya?"
The second sentence may be true but not the first. Nayana Motamma is the daughter of an ex Karnataka Cabinet Minister and that didn't stop NLS from pasting her praises everywhere but conveniently leaving out her family background
I am a part of NLS, though not in the capacity of a student, and have had a chance to interact with all batches across all programs. I fail to understand why people on this website seemingly get off on shitting on this program all the time. They've not had one cohort graduate yet and it seems like everyone is determined to prove that they are the seedy interlopers who are out to ruin NLS. You may have your gripes with Sudhir and his expansion plans, but to take it out on a bunch of people just attempting to get a quality legal education, same as all of us either now or in the past, is just lame.
It is funny because there is almost some cognitive dissonance in claiming they are stupid, lazy and incompetent and yet also detesting their very existence on campus. If they're such terrible students and have no prospects, why do you even bother with them at all lol. They're obviously incapable of being a real threat, right?
As with any cohort, some of them are brilliant, some of them are hard-workers and talented in their subjects of interest and everyone else is just fine, with some people (as in all cohorts), struggling.
Academically, they get the same legal education NLS is known for with great professors who often describe that they enjoy teaching them.
Despite them apparently "crying" about the moot problem as someone has commented below, several of them have better ranks this year than those who have aced complex arbitration problems before and are set to participate in international and national moots. Unless someone is willing to venture into delusional conspiracy theories that even the external judges are in cahoots with the university to gave them fake benefits (which I'm sure some of you do believe lol), they seem to be reasonably competent.
As for internships, they have one batch that is actively trying to land corporate internships for February. This is made challenging by the fact that they started the process a lot later than others because newsflash RCCs, rank lists, recruitment etc are not common lingo everyone is privy to and they likely needed time to understand how to work things, especially with no senior batch. . If you do want to evaluate this however, ask at the beginning of Feb. It is a compulsory internship and so, everyone has to do something. We'll know then how the process has really gone. Maybe everyone here will be proven right and they'll get nothing after all but it's extremely premature to have this discussion at all based on what is largely hearsay and tbh spite and envy.
Some of them are IRS officers, some of them have engineering and economics degrees, some of them are married, some of them have reached the interview stage of the UPSC as early as last year. It would be delusional to think there is a competition at all between them and a group of people in their early twenties just starting out. Their paths are likely going to look entirely different for the most part. Which is a good thing! The more lawyers we have that are not cookie-cutter "top tier NLU" grads, the better.
Having received my own legal education from a university nobody has likely heard of, I have found their cohorts to be curious, humble and empathetic and just about as qualified as any other on campus .
If you do get in, while it is too early for me to say anything about placements , you'll still receive the same NLS education thousands die for yearly and that itself is an undeniable asset. Being able to take classes with a Mrinal, Aparna, Nigam, Kunal Ambasta etc is the stuff dreams are made of imo.
Ooh, NLS education. Such an exclusive thing! If it can't make your grads employable or teach other students how to treat such grads as equals, what are you even bragging about?
I personally think people are going out of point here! First and foremost the question is does the 3 year llb programme is worth it or not ? And the question of that answer is let the first batch graduate then only one can conclude how it it. Secondly people are already holding a degree and coming here to study law mind that, so do not under any circumstances treat or think of them being an undergrad cuz they are not! They have ample amount experience. And they are getting 3 years for law which was also traditionally the case in India . I do personally think that the fees should be less though.
1) they did not perform well in moots. Only 2 students from the 2nd year LLB and none from the 1st Year LLB made it to top 50 in the univ moot rankings. In contrast, about 20 students in the top 50 were from the 2nd year BALLB course. This is even after the moot problem was significantly easier than what it used to be and even had publicly available memos on the same problem.
2) The comment above had highlighted the same thing that you will recieve quality legal education but Corp placements would be difficult to secure!
3) We don't consider them as a threat in any way. OP had clearly mentioned that he wants a job out of law school which is very difficult from the LLB program. Personally, I don't think one should pay 12LPA for a legal degree when the chances of securing a job are very less. I would rather go to DU/GLC and get the degree with a much lower cost!
1. The BALLB program currently has hundreds of students across batches vs this one. The second year batch you mention has 180 people in it or so. Proportionately, ofc there are likely to be more of them qualifying in just about anything? Only a handful of people from other programs mooted anyway.
2. My point is one delayed start to an internship cycle cannot be determinative of corp placements just yet. Maybe you’re right but it’s a little early to say that.
3. My comment had more to do with the weird willingness of people to be derisive and write off this program for seemingly no rhyme or reason. Making evaluations, especially on student quality, without enough data except what individuals may have anecdotally (which is also what my own post is about tbh) shouldn’t determine someone’s choice to join the college.
Additionally, please identify 3 Year programs wherein corp placements are bountiful anyway? I don’t think DU or GLC is placing a significant number of their batch in firms either, especially vis a vis their massive intakes. It’s a toss-up pretty much anywhere but here, at least some of the things NLS gets right you have access to.
1. LLB admission in NLS Bangalore is extremely competitive. Very limited seats for Non Karnataka or open candidates. So focus on preparing for NLSAT and qualify for admission.
2. LLB in NLS is as good as BALLB. No difference in teachings etc. It seems BALLB guys are threatened to lose share in jobs and internships and therefore making all those statements
Yes the 3 year LLB future is bright. They will fill subordinate court judges and trial court advocates posts. These fields are being filled by the LLMs right now. I don’t foresee any competition with the 5 year program in the next decade.
I am an Engineer. Have no connect to law beyond constitutional law, Vision IAS magazines and in news issues. But, I also knew the name of NLS Bangalore. Beyond that, all other colleges were same for me for law.
Now this might sound ignorance to you, but it is the truth. Aam aadmi knows NLS and to some extent Faculty of Law, Delhi Univ. Beyond that any other NLU/college is same for 90% of non law people. It is like people know AIIMS, Delhi and respect it, even though Safdarjung is equally tough to get in, but for non NEET people, Safadarjung is another hospital. Faculty of law DU is famous because India's top lawyer politician like Late Arun Jaitley, Kapil Sibbal all have been from this college and many from Faculty of law crack UPSC CSE too.
So, in my opinion, first choice of many Non law people who aren't preparing for Govt. exams and have time & money at their hands, would be NLS. And thus, the competition for NLSAT will increase.
If the Bar Council of India does 2 things - 1. reduces the LLB to 2y and 2. creates a 3y hybrid degree where students take a mixture of live and in person classes on weekends like in ISB PGP Pro, then I think NLSAT competition would increase manifold + would lead to inclusive growth of legal education in India.
Y'all kids have too much time on your hands if you're sitting there deriding a course that has two cohorts. I think maybe it's because you all get in here as impressionable 17 year olds and then grow up in this obnoxiously competitive place..but its almost as if... there's more to education than competition, back stabbing, colluding lol. University is a time for learning well. I definitely see why the fees is a hinderance and one might have to think practically, but none of these kids giving you their opinions are coming at it from that angle lol. Infact I'd say the LLB batches are a lot more grounded to reality.
Regarding the query: A lot depends on your own work, scoring internships is harder than the kids that are in an already established programme (by their own hard work ofc) so you gotta go the extra mile for sure, but it's nowhere near impossible. Get in first, and stay on top of things and you'll score them.
Placements lol? It might take some time for the programme to gain a reputation so the first few batches will have to pull their own weight but I don't think it'll be anywhere near the level of catastrophic you or these replies are making it sound.
Anyway, life has a way of putting you in the paths that work out for you. So try it out!
AFAIK there is a silver lining in 3 year LLB folks. They took a couple of years years but they figured that sociology, economics, political science and history teaching at NLS is a waste of time and space.
Except economics!! The concepts are helpful in understanding a lot of things. The rest of the 3 courses are obvio trash and only helps people with good English to gain good CGPA
Students from LLB/LLM course don't get placed, look at Symbiosis and other colleges that have 5year as well as 3 year courses.
Sudhir came up with this 3year LLB shit cuz he needed money for funding the infra development without compromising on the quality.
Give this course 5 years tops. It will beat BALLB hands down. The quality of students, the diversity of thought and the richness of discourse is way ahead than what BALLB can envision.
Yes, a few people are actually intelligent and hard-working but they are in single digits only!
Your comment sounds as if you learnt art of mooting right from childhood. People cope and learn differently, they might have been exasperated in first year but see the growth in second year.
Secondly look at the batch size in respect of % composition. Considering the relatively small size, they have done quite well.
Like I said, let the first batch graduate and give some buffer time. LLB will be dominating the legal services field. A lot of people will prefer doing another degree and then pursuing the three year program rather than spending five year doing law right out of school when they havent signed a contract themselves.
Please don’t misconstrue my words as being derisive of BALLB, all I am saying is this unnecessary slander of LLB is uncalled for without taking into the merits and facts of the matter. Just because a batch is not able to get few internship in so called corporate firms is not a stamp of character of their success or failure of the course.
If you can't afford, join GLC Mumbai or CLC in Delhi at no fee.
Or is the source of your data: "tRuSt mE bRo" ?
As far as seats remaining empty thing is concerned, I would still go and join the course if they allow me. So, if you have any genuine contacts which might allow please let me know. Seriously. I have no issue getting into a 3y LLB course and spending money. Par saala le toh.
Also, one advice. The part A of NLSAT is the real deal. It is not top 75% percentile. You need to minimum be in the top 75 percentile and then the top 300-500 will have their part B checked. So, actually it is like the top 90 percentile. Read the instructions. Do part A fully. Then go for B. Else, like me, B won't be checked and you can cry in some corner.
All the best!
Removing all kinds of reservations, out of 120 seats, if you are a General Non Karnataka male you have 48-49 seats to compete. Now, since reservation is applied on each step of the process, if we take the 1:5 answer booklet checking ratio of Part B, you need to be in 48*5=240.
So in all the students who are taking the exam, you need to be in the top 240 in Part A, to have Part B checked. It's not a guarantee of selection, but getting Part B checked. These are the rules of the game that coaching wallah don't emphasise much (and continue singing the 75 percentile in Part A song on loop) which later leads to heartbreaks.
What I understood from the 2023 Exam was that those General Male Non Karnataka candidates who almost topped Part A and completed the whole 8 passages + completed the whole Part B with good enough answers in all questions and essay were able to get admission. Meaning you need to ace the paper. It is not that impossible to be honest, as I completed part B fully and 6 passages of part A (while leaving 2 passages that cost me), and the marks just add up in the end. But the message is, you need to ace the paper to get in.
Thanks. Bye.
Central University established since 1920s with average annual enrolment of > 50,000 vs a NLU established in late 1980s with average annual enrolment of <100 is pari passu
Using the words of recent meme trend - "Hum karein toh karein kya, bolein toh bolein kya?"
It is funny because there is almost some cognitive dissonance in claiming they are stupid, lazy and incompetent and yet also detesting their very existence on campus. If they're such terrible students and have no prospects, why do you even bother with them at all lol. They're obviously incapable of being a real threat, right?
As with any cohort, some of them are brilliant, some of them are hard-workers and talented in their subjects of interest and everyone else is just fine, with some people (as in all cohorts), struggling.
Academically, they get the same legal education NLS is known for with great professors who often describe that they enjoy teaching them.
Despite them apparently "crying" about the moot problem as someone has commented below, several of them have better ranks this year than those who have aced complex arbitration problems before and are set to participate in international and national moots. Unless someone is willing to venture into delusional conspiracy theories that even the external judges are in cahoots with the university to gave them fake benefits (which I'm sure some of you do believe lol), they seem to be reasonably competent.
As for internships, they have one batch that is actively trying to land corporate internships for February. This is made challenging by the fact that they started the process a lot later than others because newsflash RCCs, rank lists, recruitment etc are not common lingo everyone is privy to and they likely needed time to understand how to work things, especially with no senior batch. . If you do want to evaluate this however, ask at the beginning of Feb. It is a compulsory internship and so, everyone has to do something. We'll know then how the process has really gone. Maybe everyone here will be proven right and they'll get nothing after all but it's extremely premature to have this discussion at all based on what is largely hearsay and tbh spite and envy.
Some of them are IRS officers, some of them have engineering and economics degrees, some of them are married, some of them have reached the interview stage of the UPSC as early as last year. It would be delusional to think there is a competition at all between them and a group of people in their early twenties just starting out. Their paths are likely going to look entirely different for the most part. Which is a good thing! The more lawyers we have that are not cookie-cutter "top tier NLU" grads, the better.
Having received my own legal education from a university nobody has likely heard of, I have found their cohorts to be curious, humble and empathetic and just about as qualified as any other on campus .
If you do get in, while it is too early for me to say anything about placements , you'll still receive the same NLS education thousands die for yearly and that itself is an undeniable asset. Being able to take classes with a Mrinal, Aparna, Nigam, Kunal Ambasta etc is the stuff dreams are made of imo.
1) they did not perform well in moots. Only 2 students from the 2nd year LLB and none from the 1st Year LLB made it to top 50 in the univ moot rankings. In contrast, about 20 students in the top 50 were from the 2nd year BALLB course. This is even after the moot problem was significantly easier than what it used to be and even had publicly available memos on the same problem.
2) The comment above had highlighted the same thing that you will recieve quality legal education but Corp placements would be difficult to secure!
3) We don't consider them as a threat in any way. OP had clearly mentioned that he wants a job out of law school which is very difficult from the LLB program. Personally, I don't think one should pay 12LPA for a legal degree when the chances of securing a job are very less. I would rather go to DU/GLC and get the degree with a much lower cost!
2. My point is one delayed start to an internship cycle cannot be determinative of corp placements just yet. Maybe you’re right but it’s a little early to say that.
3. My comment had more to do with the weird willingness of people to be derisive and write off this program for seemingly no rhyme or reason. Making evaluations, especially on student quality, without enough data except what individuals may have anecdotally (which is also what my own post is about tbh) shouldn’t determine someone’s choice to join the college.
Additionally, please identify 3 Year programs wherein corp placements are bountiful anyway? I don’t think DU or GLC is placing a significant number of their batch in firms either, especially vis a vis their massive intakes. It’s a toss-up pretty much anywhere but here, at least some of the things NLS gets right you have access to.
2. LLB in NLS is as good as BALLB. No difference in teachings etc. It seems BALLB guys are threatened to lose share in jobs and internships and therefore making all those statements
Now this might sound ignorance to you, but it is the truth. Aam aadmi knows NLS and to some extent Faculty of Law, Delhi Univ. Beyond that any other NLU/college is same for 90% of non law people. It is like people know AIIMS, Delhi and respect it, even though Safdarjung is equally tough to get in, but for non NEET people, Safadarjung is another hospital. Faculty of law DU is famous because India's top lawyer politician like Late Arun Jaitley, Kapil Sibbal all have been from this college and many from Faculty of law crack UPSC CSE too.
So, in my opinion, first choice of many Non law people who aren't preparing for Govt. exams and have time & money at their hands, would be NLS. And thus, the competition for NLSAT will increase.
If the Bar Council of India does 2 things - 1. reduces the LLB to 2y and 2. creates a 3y hybrid degree where students take a mixture of live and in person classes on weekends like in ISB PGP Pro, then I think NLSAT competition would increase manifold + would lead to inclusive growth of legal education in India.
Regarding the query:
A lot depends on your own work, scoring internships is harder than the kids that are in an already established programme (by their own hard work ofc) so you gotta go the extra mile for sure, but it's nowhere near impossible. Get in first, and stay on top of things and you'll score them.
Placements lol? It might take some time for the programme to gain a reputation so the first few batches will have to pull their own weight but I don't think it'll be anywhere near the level of catastrophic you or these replies are making it sound.
Anyway, life has a way of putting you in the paths that work out for you. So try it out!