So there you are! I am begging all law students to verify facts before making inflammatory posts on social media or college WhatsApp groups. All our TLs/inboxes have been flooded with posts by people who did not check facts about the blast: from posts which support Hamas to posts by junior Akehursts lecturing on war crimes. Those making pro-Hamas posts especially: guys, please be careful because it may actually hurt you later when you apply for Rhodes/Gates or for foreign visas during your LLMs. Kindly also don't post on college WhatsApp groups please🙏🙏🙏
and we should trust the same guy who said he saw photos of beheaded babies and later white house clarified he hasn't seen any photos but made the statement after talking to nethnyu.
support whoever you want but trusting US president is a stupid move.
do you think he would accept that Israel bombed the hospital even if he had irrefutable proof of it? I certainly don't.
you are simping for the same US empire that considered Nelson Mandela a terrorist till 2008.
if you had basic comprehension skills you would know my comment literally asked for people to look at the past records of the people before believing them.
you should look at history, objective facts and geopolitical alliance before forming an opinion.
Israel govt handles tweeted about attacking the hospital which they later deleted after severe backlash and started claiming it was Hamas's missile.
They have been claiming Hamas is operating tunnels inside hospital as a pretext to attack the said hospital.
They attacked the hospital before Biden visit because they knew there will be some sort of ceasefire after that and it was their last opportunity to get a pound of flesh.
And finally Biden is not Raja Harishchandra, there is no reason any of us should believe anything he says, he is senile, not in control of his facilities, he makes statements that are later clarified by White House.
Funny how you are asking people not to make posts and fact check but your source of information is literally a US President. Learn from history, they regularly commit war crimes, support ethnic cleansing, prop of terrorists lie about it and when 20-30 years have passed they release documents stating that all of the things they were accused of were true.
And lastly people know about possible repercussions, it might be difficult for you to believe but there are still some people who are against oppression even if it comes at a cost.
Do people not know that Hamas literally builds its headquarters beneath hospitals ? It’s Hamas putting these people in danger no ?
Also do people not understand media literacy and the fog of war ? There’s like 24/7 posts about how Israel is evil on my time line from folks in America and some over here - they’re just clearly buying propaganda instead of waiting for any news to be authenticated.
who doesn't ? these claims are made everytime to justify killing civilians.
taliban built bases inside hospitals.
ukraine built bases inside hospitals.
hamas built bases inside hospitals.
libiya did.
iraq did.
syria does.
yemen does.
just because you saw some posts you think israel is the one that is being targetted in US?
A KID WAS STABBED 26 TIMES because he was Middle Easterner and because of hate for Palestine, US docked its carrier ships around to support Israel, they are funding Israel, giving billions to them.
Israel has killed many journalists in past some of them US citizens yet no one was prosecuted, stop living in fantasy land.
go on. tell me the utopia hamas has built in gaza when theyre shooting from behind babies. No journalists die there no? lets list off all of the people hamas has killed yeah?
Yes. If someone comes into your home and kills your kids - you shouldn’t actually fight them cause fighting is wrong. Both sides are awful. You should just surrender to the intruders.
Yes journalists might die in Palestine too, but Hamas folks are sanctioned, they don't have freedom of movement if they step out they are killed.
But when Israel kills journalists, there are no sanctions, no bar on movement across or world or even prosecution.
Also go ahead list of all the people that have been killed by Hamas and those killed by Israel, go ahead compare the numbers, they are publicly available, you will see a stark difference.
While we’re comparing that let’s compare the total number of Muslims and Jews on the planet ? And
The number of Jews killed in anti semitic events ? Don’t know much history but I think I heard something about that. Consequentialism is not a good argument. If someone comes into my house and tortures my baby and rapes my wife and that person then gets the death penalty - they are suffering a worse consequence - they are paying with their lives. But no one is gonna be telling me I should get over my grief because the guy suffered worse. He provoked the entire thing. It’s not how humans work. Palestinians are not all Hamas - but clearly a good number of them support Hamas. If Israel doesn’t defend it self - if it negotiated with terrorists - if it does “ proportional response” to terrorist actions - it does not survive. The IDF is a sight better than Hamas anyday. They minimise civilian casualties , they don’t rape people, or hide behind babies and use them as human shields. They follow rules of war. Israel has offered peace and agreed to a two state solution for a long while now. It’s the reason they were not in the Gaza Strip. They tried trading away land for safety - Hamas has refused them over and over and over again. From the river to the sea. They just hate Jews man. There’s no two sides to this when one side protects babies and another side uses them as human sheilds. When one side warns people to minimise civilian casualty and another side sends handgliders into music festivals.
There are so much false equivalence in your comment that it beggars belief. The home that you speak of is as much of Palestinians as of Israelis, more actually. The latter are the ones occupying it on the strength of Western support because the latter feel guilty about not having done anything during the Holocaust. Nor are you giving death penalty to those who killed your own, but plenty of other civilians too, to whom you are the villain. If you have that much power, go into gaza and get hamas people out to kill them. How can bombing hospitals and killing Palestinian children be even justified by people like you who are supposedly educated, is anyone's guess.
This is so ignorant! When was the balfour declaration? Wasnt it before the holocaust? Its not western guilt that gives jews a claim over that land. its that they are literally the natives of that land who have over centuries been displaced because of religious intolerance. If israel goes into gaza- youll complain- because you want self determination for palestinians, if they dont go into gaza and treat it like a war- youll complain cause hamas will lose the war. Theres no winning with you guys except for israel to commit suicide.
When terrorists hide behind children and women, when they hide in hospitals, they are the ones committing war crimes. Not the country that is defending itself after a genocidal terrorist attack.
Israel tells the palestinians living in gaza where and when they will strike, they try to minimise casualties of war. Any loss of civilian life is awful but to claim there are two legitimate sides to this when one side is taking hostages and hiding behind hospitals and the other side is trying to save those very lives is disgusting moral equivocation. What is "right to life?" If we all have a right to life does that mean there should be wars or armies? you realise there are actually bad people in the world? and they dont get to play victim when theyre killing babies?
How are exactly firing missiles at the civilians helping to save the hostages? Israel is just seizing the opportunity to cause mayhem. For instance, Hamas signalled yesterday that they would be willing to release the hostages if Israel stops the civilian attacks. Israel didn't even respond to that signal. Israel is just out for blood and revenge, don't put them on any high moral pedestal.
Do you even know the history of this at all ? Do you think Israel is deliberately hurting civilians when they are literally announcing when and where they will attack ? A thing no other army does? That’s being out for blood and revenge ? Really ?
Hamas wants to sue for peace after it killed the most number of Jews since the holocaust ? And Israel should just what ? Let Hamas be ? Is that really a position you would take if it were alqaeda and India ? You realise Israel doesn’t negotiate with terrorist because they would cease to exist if they did ?
Do you even know the history at all ? Who has been refusing a two state solution ? What happened with the Clinton talks ? Whose slogan is from the river to the sea ? And not “ let’s just talk things out ?”
No wars or armies would be good, yes. That's why you are studying law, really. Law is mostly redundant when there's a war going on, peace has to be given a chance.
Yeah. When terrorists who routinely send rocket attacks into your country end up coming in droves , raping women , killing children and take your babies hostage- when they attack a concert for peace your friends attended and literally slaughtered them. Tell me then that you don’t think we should have armies to defend ourselves or go after terrorists to keep ourselves safe. Peace has to be given a chance is such an intellectually and morally childish stance to take.
The end goal for Hamas is clear - from the river to the sea is the extremist position. If the Israeli army were to not exist - the Israeli people would not exist. If you can’t get over your moral equivalency with this - if you can’t see this problem for all of its complexity - if you can only view the world through - white=oppression black =oppressed . You’re lost.
Oh boy if only hamas would get behind no wars and armies. If only the palestinians had not rejected a two state solution five times in modern american history. Your argument is so juvenile it doesnt understand there are actual religious extremists in the world who in their charter want to drive a religious group into the sea.
Would no wars be a good thing during the second world war? Should america have left european jews to die in the camps? Should they have sued for peace with hitler? Is that really moral?
So if tomorrow Pakistan tells India that they are going to fire a nuke at Mumbai and the entire city should be evacuated in 24 hours so that civilians are not harmed, then you should have no problem with their attitude.
If pakistan could show beyond a shadow of a doubt that Indian terrorist organisations based in mumbai were involved in invading that country raping their women, killing their children and taking their old people hostage. and if they did everything they could to prevent the deaths of civilians- yes. I would not have a problem with that.
So you do subscribe to the from river to the sea thing then? Where do you propose the jewish people if israel go? if they are this occupying force? youre not even bothering disguise the anti semitism at this point. FWIW jewish people are the only people for whom israel has ever been a homeland historically.
You understand that the jewish people are the natives of that land? That they have been occupied and driven out of that land for centuries by romans and christians and muslims? If were gonna talk about occupiers we need to have a clear understanding of where we start reading history from.
Not really. Most of the people who occupy that land now have come back from other countries that they were citizens of. If we are deciding national boundaries based on ancient history, then why not give America back to the native Indians? Or India to the Dravidians and Anaryas?
Don’t the woke folks do land acknowledgements just for that reason ? Why do Canadian universities acknowledge that they’re built on stolen land ? Why do American universities acknowledge that they’re built on slave labor ? Are you against those things then ? Are you against reparations for black peoples ? What about affirmative action for SCs?
There is a reason Jews from other countries still migrate to Israel. It’s because Jews have in the history of their community- been driven out of every other place where they have settled. Anti semitism is a very real thing. The holocaust was real. A lot of people in Israel came from the camps. Others came from antisemitism elsewhere. You did see how they chanted has the Jews near Sydney Opera House ? That is real!
They could’ve stayed in Europe and risked being hunted like vermin again but that’s a genocidal thing to do to a persecuted religious minority.
That’s what Jews are - a persecuted religious minority. Who are native to that land who have been driven from that land time and time and time again because of religious intolerance.
The Muslims in Gaza who did not want to live in Israel would have had plenty of Muslim neighbouring countries to migrate to except even those countries do not want them. Did you know that the current blockade is as much a fault of Egypt closing its borders as it is Israel protecting itself ? Did you know that there have been Israeli Arab members in the Knesset since the first election in israel ? It is about the most religiously tolerant country in the region because it doesn’t persecute minorities based on their religion- it gives them equal rights - even better rights because they aren’t drafted into the IDF - it only discriminates based on whether these people want to perpetrate terror and bring forth the downfall of the Israeli state.
You have to commit to a principle somewhere - either your principle is - natives to a land have rights over that land - in which case Israelis have rights to live there. Or your principle is - might is right and whoever wins wars can conquer territories - in which case - I hate to say this but Israel will win that war. And Israel has won that war several times before and given up conquered land.
Did you know that Ehud Barak offered more land to the PLO in the camp David summit in 2000 to the Palestinians than they have now and the talks failed because the Palestinians would not even counter ?
Israel has demonstrated time and time again that they are willing to give away land for peace and security. They’ve tried to make a two state solution work. The reason that doesn’t work is because the Hamas goal is not peace and security and economic development- it’s from the river to the sea- totally driving Jews into the sea and the destruction of Israel. Within this context- it’s really difficult to see how Israel is an occupying force. What occupying force offers over and over again a two state solution ? What occupying force retreats from lands it has occupied to build goodwill for a two state solution ?
You think Israel is not killing babies, pick a newspaper, you think the conflict started last week? a day didn't go when there wasn't news of someone being killed by IDF in Palestine.
Hamas came into existence because of Israeli oppression/ occupation not vice versa.
Do you think British started oppressing us because of Azad Hind fauz or HSRA?
No, these organizations came up because of the oppression, most of the freedom fighters we worship today were terrorists for western world, Mandela was a terrorist for them, mujahideen were freedom fighters.
And yes there is only one legitimate side, that is Palestine, most of the zionist settlers keep moving from Americas and Europe. I don't think you would be too happy to let go of your house, built by your parents blood and sweat if someone came knocking and told you it belonged to their people some 2000 years ago.
When the Indian army makes a man a human shield we all were sensible enough to see it as a horrifying thing. But when terrorists in Gaza do it - that’s a negotiating strategy is that what you’re saying ?
Simple question for students crying Islamophobia: How come NONE of you guys (be it at JNU or Jamia or NLSIU) agitate against China/Pakistan for illegally occupying and mass-murdering Muslims in East Turkestan/Balochistan???
NOTE: East Turkestan, not "Xinjiang" is the proper name.
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-67142031
support whoever you want but trusting US president is a stupid move.
do you think he would accept that Israel bombed the hospital even if he had irrefutable proof of it? I certainly don't.
you are simping for the same US empire that considered Nelson Mandela a terrorist till 2008.
they are not the good guys my man.
i nowhere stated you should blindly trust anyone.
if you had basic comprehension skills you would know my comment literally asked for people to look at the past records of the people before believing them.
you should look at history, objective facts and geopolitical alliance before forming an opinion.
They have been claiming Hamas is operating tunnels inside hospital as a pretext to attack the said hospital.
They attacked the hospital before Biden visit because they knew there will be some sort of ceasefire after that and it was their last opportunity to get a pound of flesh.
And finally Biden is not Raja Harishchandra, there is no reason any of us should believe anything he says, he is senile, not in control of his facilities, he makes statements that are later clarified by White House.
Funny how you are asking people not to make posts and fact check but your source of information is literally a US President. Learn from history, they regularly commit war crimes, support ethnic cleansing, prop of terrorists lie about it and when 20-30 years have passed they release documents stating that all of the things they were accused of were true.
And lastly people know about possible repercussions, it might be difficult for you to believe but there are still some people who are against oppression even if it comes at a cost.
There's no way he would blame them, he would perjure himself and say whatever shit bibi tells him, the beheaded kids things is a case in point.
He was second in command when when US bombed schools, hospitals and marriage halls in Afghanistan, it's not like he is some humanitarian.
Also do people not understand media literacy and the fog of war ? There’s like 24/7 posts about how Israel is evil on my time line from folks in America and some over here - they’re just clearly buying propaganda instead of waiting for any news to be authenticated.
taliban built bases inside hospitals.
ukraine built bases inside hospitals.
hamas built bases inside hospitals.
libiya did.
iraq did.
syria does.
yemen does.
just because you saw some posts you think israel is the one that is being targetted in US?
A KID WAS STABBED 26 TIMES because he was Middle Easterner and because of hate for Palestine, US docked its carrier ships around to support Israel, they are funding Israel, giving billions to them.
Israel has killed many journalists in past some of them US citizens yet no one was prosecuted, stop living in fantasy land.
But when Israel kills journalists, there are no sanctions, no bar on movement across or world or even prosecution.
Also go ahead list of all the people that have been killed by Hamas and those killed by Israel, go ahead compare the numbers, they are publicly available, you will see a stark difference.
The number of Jews killed in anti semitic events ? Don’t know much history but I think I heard something about that. Consequentialism is not a good argument. If someone comes into my house and tortures my baby and rapes my wife and that person then gets the death penalty - they are suffering a worse consequence - they are paying with their lives. But no one is gonna be telling me I should get over my grief because the guy suffered worse. He provoked the entire thing. It’s not how humans work. Palestinians are not all Hamas - but clearly a good number of them support Hamas. If Israel doesn’t defend it self - if it negotiated with terrorists - if it does “ proportional response” to terrorist actions - it does not survive. The IDF is a sight better than Hamas anyday. They minimise civilian casualties , they don’t rape people, or hide behind babies and use them as human shields. They follow rules of war. Israel has offered peace and agreed to a two state solution for a long while now. It’s the reason they were not in the Gaza Strip. They tried trading away land for safety - Hamas has refused them over and over and over again. From the river to the sea. They just hate Jews man. There’s no two sides to this when one side protects babies and another side uses them as human sheilds. When one side warns people to minimise civilian casualty and another side sends handgliders into music festivals.
When terrorists hide behind children and women, when they hide in hospitals, they are the ones committing war crimes. Not the country that is defending itself after a genocidal terrorist attack.
Hamas wants to sue for peace after it killed the most number of Jews since the holocaust ? And Israel should just what ? Let Hamas be ? Is that really a position you would take if it were alqaeda and India ? You realise Israel doesn’t negotiate with terrorist because they would cease to exist if they did ?
Do you even know the history at all ? Who has been refusing a two state solution ? What happened with the Clinton talks ? Whose slogan is from the river to the sea ? And not “ let’s just talk things out ?”
The end goal for Hamas is clear - from the river to the sea is the extremist position. If the Israeli army were to not exist - the Israeli people would not exist. If you can’t get over your moral equivalency with this - if you can’t see this problem for all of its complexity - if you can only view the world through - white=oppression black =oppressed . You’re lost.
Would no wars be a good thing during the second world war? Should america have left european jews to die in the camps? Should they have sued for peace with hitler? Is that really moral?
There is a reason Jews from other countries still migrate to Israel. It’s because Jews have in the history of their community- been driven out of every other place where they have settled. Anti semitism is a very real thing. The holocaust was real. A lot of people in Israel came from the camps. Others came from antisemitism elsewhere. You did see how they chanted has the Jews near Sydney Opera House ? That is real!
They could’ve stayed in Europe and risked being hunted like vermin again but that’s a genocidal thing to do to a persecuted religious minority.
That’s what Jews are - a persecuted religious minority. Who are native to that land who have been driven from that land time and time and time again because of religious intolerance.
The Muslims in Gaza who did not want to live in Israel would have had plenty of Muslim neighbouring countries to migrate to except even those countries do not want them. Did you know that the current blockade is as much a fault of Egypt closing its borders as it is Israel protecting itself ? Did you know that there have been Israeli Arab members in the Knesset since the first election in israel ? It is about the most religiously tolerant country in the region because it doesn’t persecute minorities based on their religion- it gives them equal rights - even better rights because they aren’t drafted into the IDF - it only discriminates based on whether these people want to perpetrate terror and bring forth the downfall of the Israeli state.
You have to commit to a principle somewhere - either your principle is - natives to a land have rights over that land - in which case Israelis have rights to live there. Or your principle is - might is right and whoever wins wars can conquer territories - in which case - I hate to say this but Israel will win that war. And Israel has won that war several times before and given up conquered land.
Did you know that Ehud Barak offered more land to the PLO in the camp David summit in 2000 to the Palestinians than they have now and the talks failed because the Palestinians would not even counter ?
Israel has demonstrated time and time again that they are willing to give away land for peace and security. They’ve tried to make a two state solution work. The reason that doesn’t work is because the Hamas goal is not peace and security and economic development- it’s from the river to the sea- totally driving Jews into the sea and the destruction of Israel. Within this context- it’s really difficult to see how Israel is an occupying force. What occupying force offers over and over again a two state solution ? What occupying force retreats from lands it has occupied to build goodwill for a two state solution ?
You can’t learn all your history from Instagram.
Hamas came into existence because of Israeli oppression/ occupation not vice versa.
Do you think British started oppressing us because of Azad Hind fauz or HSRA?
No, these organizations came up because of the oppression, most of the freedom fighters we worship today were terrorists for western world, Mandela was a terrorist for them, mujahideen were freedom fighters.
And yes there is only one legitimate side, that is Palestine, most of the zionist settlers keep moving from Americas and Europe. I don't think you would be too happy to let go of your house, built by your parents blood and sweat if someone came knocking and told you it belonged to their people some 2000 years ago.
Please don't pursue law if you don't have the courage to speak and stand for what is right/wrong.
Mind you!
You are justifying mass killings of civilians, which is despicable. Be it Hamas or Israel.
Not a "guest"
NOTE: East Turkestan, not "Xinjiang" is the proper name.
Be it China, Pakistan or any other country/terror organization which conspires to kill innocent people worth condemnable