For 2024 session nls hiked its fees to 4.13 lakhs/annum and its also gonna admit 300+180llb students. whereas nalsar is still charging below 3 lakhs(excluding refundable and one time deposits).nlu delhi also haven't gone bollocks. Nujs too is within reach. I currently study at a govt law college in kolkata in 1st year. I dreamt of studying in nls (i am securing 90+ marks in mocks consistently) but it surely is out of my reach now(gen category and father is a govt employee, so don't really expect any scholarships). Even if i totally overlook the money(i really cant) the amount of students is simply staggering for any university, let alone nls(even iima has 450ish pgp students). Does everyone genuinely think it wont affect placements in any way!! Someone in li said that the rcc is now gonna invite more tier 2 and in house(how is that a improvement is beyond me). Sudhir was quite celebrated when he started his tenure and poached faculties from nalsar and jindal but how can he claim to be a good administrator if he astronomically increases the fees in three years and builds more infra, isn't that directly proportional and doesn't require a lot of planning. I belive nls is the best law school in the country and rightly so but should people like me not be allowed to study there because my father doesn't earn a huuuuugggge salary. As i mentioned my dad is a govt employee and earns pretty well according to Indian standards, still nls is out of reach. Sudhir told to some media that he wants to nurture future problem solvers, i guess the eligibility for such is too have a shitload of money(daddy's money). I don't want to demean nls but Sudhir's a bad administrator. how does someone even dream of getting to best public law school in the country with that fees and those many students. no one stays at top forever(look at iit kgp,dont say its cuzz of location nowhere in the world good institutes excel cuzz of location there are innumerable examples). Saw the picture of the new library at nls, it looked like a cafe tbh, why such fancy stuff is being build and fees are being hiked is simply beyond my small capacity brain. Anyways i am prepping for clat in full force and am confident of getting into nalsar(Cant wait to be at shamirpet). I genuinely believe these moves are discriminating against middle class,poor and only serving the rich guys(very rich). what are the general views???
1. The fee (4.13 lacs) is only for the academic year 2024-25. It will increase every year after that. 2. Student loans are a bad idea at all times. 3. Don't rely on scholarships. 4. Expect other NLUs to also raise the fees as well. 5. The fee at NUJS is not less either (it is 4 lacs per year for its BSc-LLB program). 6. All NLUs are state institutions struggling for funding, hence the high fee is needed to survive.
A few responses: 1. Not really, I am from the batch of 2027 and its still 3LPA for us. It will not increase for existing batches. It increases for incoming batches and the same fees continues for 5years.
2. Why? Look at it as an investment. After 5 years, even if you get a mid-tier job, you can easily pay the loan back in 5-6 years. After that, you can earn for the remainer of your life.
The loan determines your career choice. You can't do litigation or pursue higher studies or do grassroot level work or even most kind of policy work, especially if you would become a primary bread earner in the family after graduation.
I completely agree. I want to pursue litigation but cannot do it because I know the earnings from litigation will not be enough to pay EMI of education loan.
nls has been raising fees like this for the last three years no other nlu has done so. everyone has released their brochure and it remains the same. nls is not struggling for funding. It has enough infra for 150 students, now if you wanna increase intake to 500 students the money needs to come from somewhere, also why is everyone overlooking the fact that there will be 300+ students graduating in 2029. how can they get jobs at tier 1,there simply arent that many good jobs(iima has 450 students in one session)
NLUD doubled its fee for the academic year 2023-24. So NLUs will increase the fee after the CLAT 2024 results are announced and counseling starts. It is always like that - as of now most NLUs have uploaded the 2023 brochures (shows their laziness), updates will come in later.
Sudhir is doing the right thing. Have you seen the fees at engineering, medical schools and business schools? So much more higher, despite funding from the centre in the case of IIT and IIM. Why should law schools be cheap? Infrastructure and faculty costs money, especially when you don’t get funds. You people want to pay Dharwad rates and expect Harvard standards, LOL.
Firstly, the question "Why should law schools be cheap?', itself answers the question which it attempts to raise. Higher education should be affordable, period. Funds are not an issue - priorities of the respective governments is.
In a country struggling with income disparity and challenging social mobility - making education more expensive will only land you mediocre minds since it limits access to a privileged few.
There’s a difference between affordable and cheap. There are loans and scholarships. No one who gets into nls has - in its history- had to leave because they couldn’t afford to study there.
Inflation has never been this high either. What my response proves is that students from the university have always managed to get decent loans / scholarships especially when they’re in need and they’ve been able to pay it back.
History doesn’t start and end with your generation- there was stuff that happened before you as well. At one point nls had fees of a few thousand a year , and over time it increased to a lakh a year then two lakhs a year- at the time all these same arguments were made - but nothing much changed in fact nls has become more diverse over the years than less.
As was said in another post, Sudhir is copying the Jindal model. NLSIU is the Jindal of the South. It’s not trollish to say so, Mr Moderator! You now have the evidence in front of you!
Not everyone get aditya birla scholarship jinko nhili woh baabaji ka thulu le? This type of fees increase is very arbitrary as if compare other nlus besides faculty nls isnt offering world class infra only library seems to be above average but if there is increase in influx of students so the expenditre will automatically increase but in that drastic propotion so as to increase the fees in dispropotionate basis. This amount of high fees would surely make people coming from not so privileged class that is middle class, people from disavanatge background due to social and financial condition would severly be affect couldnt attend this institution meanwhile even if they would attend this institute they would face peers who would be obvisously coming from high class or upper middle class which make certain group which would in the end not good for diversity
This excuse of world class faculty needing to be paid more is a blatant lie. NLSIU is paying everyone public university salary only, regardless of their credentials.
Anybody who contested this statement kindly mention the individual who is getting a higher salary in your opinion and the ballpark figure, along with his designation and years of academic experience.
I have in my friends' circle at least six of them and I am an academic myself, who has been offered a job there before. So I know exactly what they are making. It is the same that I am elsewhere. Of course, they are free to make additional money by taking MBL or other executive classes. So am I.
You were not a regular assistant professor or higher then. NLUs or central universities pay an entry level salary of almost 80k or higher now, depending on HRA in cities. This is for freshers. People with more experience will be paid more.
Then the institution is violating UGC norms and the AP should report it if it's a public university. The basic entry level pay itself for assistant professors is around 57k now, add to that DA, HRA and TA at the very least and it comes to about 80-85k gross.
*Not everyone gets Aditya Birla scholarship jinko nhi mili woh baabaji ka thulu le? This type of fees increase is very arbitrary as if we compare other nlus fee and their infrastructure besides faculty nls isnt offering world class infra only Library seems to be above average but if there is increase in influx of students so the expenditre will automatically increase but not in that drastic proportion so as to increase the fees in dispropotionate basis. This amount of high fees would surely make people coming from not so privileged class that is middle class, people from disavanatge background due to social and financial condition would severly be affect and thereby couldn't attend this institution meanwhile even if they would attend this institute they would face peers presure who would be obvisously coming from high class or upper middle class which make certain group which would in the end not good for diversity.
Someone can correct me on this : As Chandrachud part of the executive committee/governing committee of NLS, this fee hike would have surely happened with his approval. So much for the CJI's talk of equality and access to legal education.
That’s it. Already in NUSRL. I have to get out of this s*he. Will prefer nalsar or Nujs over this stupidity. I hope this fee hike isn’t final. If it is then nalsar is already my first preference followed by Nujs. Will work hard for ailet as well. Will not even think about NLS.
(I may not even get gnlu cause clat is unpredictable and my above comment may reek of arrogance but I just can’t afford nlsiu)
This is just plain stupid. Students will end up paying 20+ lacs for 5 years. Which means most will be forced to take corporate jobs. Only those who come from a litigation background or anyone else who can afford to spend 20+ lakhs only to be able to earn 3-4 lakhs right after graduation, will think about going into litigation. Thus, ultimately, the stronghold that existing (i.e., comfortably rich) the litigation families have will only strengthen.
Same is in Harvard. The problem with Indian kids is that they tend to bring socialism in education, it's a professional course. Don't do it it have no money. Why dont comment tthe same for MBA courses. ROI is much more than investment. People will buy iPhone 15 but will be reluctant to spend the same on education. For maintaing standards, fee has to be charged. One cannot compete with Ivy leagues in meagre resources.
and its a problem. haven't you seen the student loan crisis in usa. No one is asking to asking to charge pennies but at least be reasonable, and please nls is competing with ivy league, nice joke. roi is more than investment. fees now will be 22 lakhs and avg salary is 16 lakhs. In the us u dont necessarily need to get into corporate cuzz the salary in litigation is not abysmal unlike us. Also there will be 300+180 students graduating in a year. good luck with getting a job buddy
That's why students take education loans there. The legal studies there v expensive because it attracts highly paying faculty and resources. Plus, theres a cash crunch in these as state govt is rarely giving funds to these unis plus they are not able to attract CSR funding from private players. Hence, the hike.
The student loan crisis in america is MUCH more complicated. It involves lack of government run universities, proliferation of for profit universities with negligible return on investment and inflation of fees due to bloated school administrations. When your football coach gets paid in millions- thats worth thinking about. Their entire educational system is designed differently. Youre comparing apples to oranges.
NLS is a government run university, the ROI for its students has been fairly good. If the worst thing you might have to do after graduating is work in a law firm for a year to pay off a loan- thats not actually unreasonable. You dont have to stick with corp law after that. Add to that there are scholarships and loan interest rates are quite low for educational loans. Its just not comparable.
First of all not all them go for Placements. It's a very small portion and ik this for a fact in top unis including nls. Your argument reeks of mediocrity taught in Hululu law colleges especially Non-NLU so before commenting develop some common sense first
Enough with this propaganda. No man, a sizable group of NLSIU students, at least 50% of every batch, regularly interns in the corp law firms. We see them. You don't have to pretend otherwise. The number will increase a lot now with your huge batch size and humongous fees. Deal with it.
Even if it does, the placement stats of private unis and lower NLU will be affected at the most. Further there's a diff between corp internships and job market. All in all 5 year course will reap good results. Can't comment much on the 3 yr one
That's a foolhardy expectation. Do you think firms take more students from NLSIU than other NLUs these days? Quite the contrary. Moreover, it's highly unlikely that all 300 CLAT rank holders would automatically choose NLSIU anymore now that it is losing its exclusivity and sheen.
Do you have any reason to think firms wont prefer NLS grads if those grads are better educated? Why should they waste time and money going to multiple universities when they can get a bunch of their new hires in the same place?
@Mod: I hope that the person who has contested this has shown you this proof about NLSIU having the best placements in the country now. If you have such proof, please share it with all of us. Would be glad to see it. If he hasn't, then how is he contesting the comment?
Things seem headed that way for sure. Sudhir cracks down on plagiarism and academic misconduct for one. There’s more moderation and less grade inflation. And faculty at nls are head and shoulders better than any other nlu right now. It’s a reasonable thing to expect.
Nope. Sudhir does selective interpretation of rules when it suits him. He himself is guiding PhD candidates about topics that he has no expertise about, but still considers himself the arbiter of quality of other PhD work even after actual experts have opined on it differently. Some of the faculty are good, others are nothing special, but the good ones cannot possibly teach everyone even now, let alone after the latest increase. It is certainly not reasonable by any standard. He's been there for 4 years now, has the placement scene improved any? It didn't.
Harvard is located in another country with a population having different purchasing power. Nor does Harvard get government funds. Even there, the fees paid by the Americans is much less than overseas students. Harvard also offers world class infra and pays faculty more than many other US universities. NLS does not do any of that. And since when is NLS comparable to Ivy Leagues?
NLS pays faculty significantly better than other NLUS. the salary at NLS is comparable to JGLS. and infra will get built. you cant change everything overnight.
[Fact check: NLS pays 7th CPC salaries, just like all other NLUs]
This is absolutely untrue. Name any faculty of NLSIU, their designation, years of experience and actual salary to prove your point. On the contrary, every advertisement and application process that NLSIU has carried out during the last three years have mentioned the pay scale to be the same as approved by the UGC. No public university can pay more unless they have been given INI or IOE status.
You have got to be the most illiterate guy on this site, with your idiotic combination of Hindi and English. But know this, you never had a chance of getting into NLUD by AILET and your life is defined by that failure.
I’m not gonna dox myself because you don’t know stuff.
All I can say is a friend was hired to be an assistant professor recently and they make a tidy 1.15 in hand every month.
The advertisements tell you 7th pay commission scale, but the government only gives you a range . Most nlus will pay you the bottom most amount of money in that range- nls will pay you near the top of that range.
No, you idiot. Read the rules. People will get paid more if they have got more years of experience. Do the concept of pay protection and annual increments mean anything to you? God save us from this kind of law grads. If your friend has joined laterally and not as a fresher, then of course he will be paid more. Promotion-wise, he will remain Assistant Professor for 13 years, do you expect him to receive the same salary throughout this period? Assistant Professors have got as many as 3 different sub-categories and even within the same sub-category, the salaries that they will receive will depend on their years of academic experience.
Dude this person who got hired has literally zero years teaching experience. Not lateral, literal fresher. Theyve gotten hired for that salary and unless they see increments or promotions thats what theyre promised. Stop assuming shit you dont know anything about. UGC does not anywhere say that universities cannot pay more.
Lol dude do you want to see pay slips ? No one owes you their personal information. But understand that professors at different universities talk amongst themselves. And a bunch of Jgls people are always considering either applying to nls - or testing the waters by offering an elective and seeing how things go. Academic fellows and assistant professors at nls ( I know several) are offered at least 1 lakh per month, sometimes more than that. In hand for an assistant professor at Jgls is comparable at 95k to 1,10 a month.
Please check my response to the comment above you once it gets published. I am tired of explaining things to people who don't have the slightest idea about academic careers and matters related to it, but still try to pose as experts. I have actually been offered a position at NLS as well as Jindal and while I had my own reasons for not taking either up, I consider both to be fine institutions and am aware of the modalities involved, certainly better than you.
Dude ive gotten offered positions both at JGLS and at NLS- this was mid 2022. I actually turned down the NLS job because i thought JGLS paid more- but it was CTC. In hand- my nls colleagues get the same money as I do. I have years of teaching experience at this point. There absolutely is pay parity with Sudhir K in charge at least at the AP level.
JGLS however can let you become a full professor without a phd and pay you much more- nls will insist you do your phd and you meet UGC criteria. Thats the only reason you will see the difference.
Please tell me what salary you had been offered at NLS (with basic/DA/HRA/TA components) and whether you had any academic experience before that and what was your exact academic level designation (you should know that if you had really got an offer from NLS). JGLS could have offered you more or less, I don't really care, since they are a private university. I assure you that NLS did not offer you more than you actually were entitled to according to UGC norms, unless they were showing extra allowances for any additional admin duty that you were supposed to do.
No prior teaching experience. Was offered 1 lakh a month all in. JGLS told me 1.34 per month, but in hand that turned out to be the same thing. JGLS was quoting cost to company and NLS was not. Colleagues who did take the NLS job at the same time did make the same money.
advertisements will tell you the minimum they have to pay- they dont tell you the actual amount in your pay check. Please ask any assitant professor or associate professor or full professor at NLS how much money they get in hand. Its between 1 lpm to 1.2 lpm. Same as jindal.
Pay commission is about the minimum you have to pay- not the maximum you can.
I wonder why you think your guesswork is more true than the money in my bank account.
Why don't you name an actual assistant or associate professor who gets paid more and how much? The fact you think associate professors and professors get paid 1.2 LPA goes to show your complete lack of knowledge about this matter. You are just trolling. An associate professor on entry level gets paid about 27LPA under UGC 7th CPC norms. A Professor gets paid around 32 LPA gross. I wonder why you keep trying to pass off a false narrative despite having been exposed time and again here.
Associate professors get much more. 1.2 lakhs per month- not annum. was about assistant professors. How many assistant professors should I name dude? Literally all of them- even the ones hired on ad hoc basis get paid that much. There was a guy at JGLS who did a visiting assistant professorship at NLS at the same time- if youre in academia at all- its easy to figure out this guy. And I know for a fact he doubled his salary cause JGLS and NLS paid him the same amount. Theres also a person who moved from NUJS to NLS - as a visiting assistant professor- that person also made more money. Thats just true. Its so ridiculous to have to argue this with people who disagree as a matter of fact rather than actually listen to what people in these positions have to say.
You keep making it clear that you don't know anything of this sort. It is also clear that you are a student having only superficial knowledge of the system being referred to. It is good that you referred to AT and either KR or MM. I happen to know all three as well as the exact terms of their contract with NLS. So, those would serve as good examples to debunk your false narrative that you wish to stick to for some unfathomable reason.
First of all, you have got some serious comprehension issues. You keep harping on the point that according to me, Assistant Professors cannot get paid as much as 1.2 L per month, when I said nothing of the sort. I can name 50 APs across the NLUs who are being paid that or more. AP is not a homogeneous category, genius! You get paid more based on your academic work experience. The 80-85K (depending on city-based HRA) is for FRESHER APs without any academic experience whatsoever, or someone who joins a new fresher post without pay protection from an earlier post. Both the people whom you mentioned were not freshers, and if you could not figure that out, then I feel sorry for the clients who would in future have the misfortune to rely upon you.
Secondly, no public law university can pay out of turn to a full-time teacher even if they want to. That's a financial irregularity that their FC would not sanction, and other faculty who have reached their pay scale via the UGC CAS promotion route would protest and successfully challenge the decision before any court of law. The only way to get a relatively junior faculty a higher pay scale is to absorb them in an open-contest higher position. By promotion, an Assistant Professor can make Associate only after 13 years (12 in case of an early PhD), which does not depend on whether university has such a position vacant. By open selection, they can make Associate only after 8 years or Professor after 10 years, provided the university has a vacancy (that too, they will have to satisfy the eligibility requirements of such posts). NLS is not your or Sudhir's ancestral property that these rules can be broken with impunity, especially when the money actually comes from the students and the university also accepts state government funds and hence amenable to audit. Jindal on the other hand can pay whomever whatever they want, because they are private, don't accept government funds and have got IOE status. They can even pay different salaries to two faculty with exactly identical designation without an Article 14 writ being filed against them. NLS cannot do that either.
You should improve your knowledge instead of relying on hearsay and then come opining on matters like this. You seem to be a student who doesn't really have a clue, so it's useless engaging with you any further. By the way, AT was not being paid as much by NLS as by Jindal. He was getting more than what an AP in his position should have been paid, but that was because he was charged with additional admin responsibilities at NLS over and above his duties as AP. Clearly, you don't know that either. I won't get into a debate about the ethical issues involved there, since if neither NLS nor Jindal had any problem with the arrangement, I don't see what concern it is of anybody else.
Dude. I will not argue with you anymore. This is an incredibly frustrating conversation- why do you think I am lying about this? literally what nefarious purpose would it have served? It would be a silly thing to argue about no? what would be the point? I have seen these people receive salary money in their accounts. I have had drinks with them because I am their colleague- and they have told me what work they did and how much they got paid, they have discussed their pay with me when they got hired. Ad hoc folks hired this academic year get 1.15. I have literally no intention arguing with a student trying to prove that I actually teach in this place- because I do. AT did not have teaching or research experience before he joined there. He was fresh out of the LLM. And given he was part time at best- he really did get overpaid. Which- I'm fine with. Neither of the none of the people I'm talking about got absorbed in an open contest and none of them were qualified to become associate professors. You just dont know anything. I made a very simple claim at the beginning of all this- that NLS pays comparable salaries to jgls, and that it pays more than other NLUs, you have now admitted that that is possible. You started out claiming it was impossible. thats literally the point. If the same exact guy is getting the same salary at NLS and JGLS- thats the whole argument I'm making. I didn't say shit about base pay, ta, ra, HRA none of that. I said- in hand they get the same thing. Please go ask your professors if thats not true. I'm absolutely done with this nonsensical conversation.
I'm not naming people specifically because youll be able to figure out exactly who I am based on who my friends are- If youre on campus- youve seen us hanging out. That is literally the only reason. If you were even on campus youd know who all I'm talking about just from the time I said they joined and the experience I said they have. I have no wish to doxx myself on the internet because youre confused about how rules are implemented and what a university can do to hire people. Ive known colleagues who came from nalsar to nls and nalsar to jgls- those two guys get paid about the same both of them. and both of them got a pay bump leaving nalsar. go ask them dude.
Come on @Kian bring back indexed comments. Now this reply is lost in between other replies. Anyways, to clarify, this reply was intended towards the person who said nonsense stuff about Iphone15 and MBA ROI.
Please. It was a scam to bleed aspirants dry and everyone knows it. Thank our lucky stars that other NLUs did not follow suit! NLUD just used a technicality in the SC CLAT judgement to earn more money. Growing at the cost of students is still understandable, but not at the cost of aspirants.
hell nah, thats 21 lakh + cost of living there would reach 23 lakh, in that money start a business rather, get a degree for 1-2 lakh and start your business,
Crazy times. I paid much less that that in total for five years in a non-residential campus. Add another 50k commute was also covered. Got a job and recouped all my expenses in first 5-6 months.
To be fair NLU, and amongst them as well, the NLS tag would be worth much more in future. However, the concerns are very valid for the poor meritorious chaps who wish to get out of the socio-economic traps.
I remember receiving forwarded messages every now and then as to how some talented individual was unable to make the ends meet and wished to have a crowdsourced fund for paying up the fee to college.
NLSIU is a damn good university. No doubt about that. In fact the best one right now in India. But do you think the best nlu should behave like this? Isn’t this fee hike erratic? I can see couple of comments already claiming that they are preferring other nlus(in their preference list) like nlu Delhi (well this is under ailet) nalsar or Nujs (nlu j as well).
And trust me choosing these universities won’t make any difference to them
Nalsar fee:- 2.41 lakhs (gives you better foreign placements/TCs than NLS which is charging 4.15)
Nujs fee:- 2.48 lakhs (gives you better domestic placements than NLS which is charging 4.15)
NLU Delhi:- 3.02 lakhs (gives you better foreign llm plus upsc exposure than nlsiu).
Even nlu Jodhpur seems cheaper than nlsiu considering Aditya Birla is also applicable in nlu j.
So this made nlsiu far more inaccessible. The aspirant will save the 1.15 lakh every year to do a well rounded masters later on.
One small recertification. Both NALSAR and NUJS offer better foreign and domestic placements than NLSIU at present. They have been doing so for quite some time. About foreign LLMs with scholarships though, NLSIU, NALSAR, NLUD and NUJS offer more or less the same opportunities.
Tell NLS to release their placement data that they have been hiding for the last 5-6 years. Proof will present itself. Also compare the number of Indian law students at the various foreign institutions. If you don't want to do any of that, then feel free to ignore.
Do you think that other colleges won’t increase their tuition fee following NLS? If you want to do law for cheap go to GLC or CLC and hustle your way to a job/tc/llm
Once again, please give some proof by naming a single assistant professor, his designation and years of academic work exp and the salary that he gets. None of you trolls seems to know that, and you still keep parroting the same thing about it being greater than anywhere else. Where do you even get such misplaced confidence from? Moreover, how do you know the salary of an assistant professor in other NLUs? As for your comment about earning extra, that's not NLS specific, genius. People across all the other NLUs make money by taking classes in training programmes, guest lectures, executive courses and distance programmes etc.
No body owes you their bank account statements my dude. Please go to the NLS website- sort by faculty, and look at the names of all the assistant professors- they all get paid that much. ALL of them. We're not trolling- this would be such a silly troll. We know the assistant professor salary because we are assistant professors ! jesus the ignorance of some people.
If you are an assistant professor, then it shouldn't be difficult to mention your basic pay and designation, even while maintaining anonymity. That's not the same as your bank statements, and the fact that you conflate the two is indicative of you being a student troll. Moreover, all APs at NLS get paid that much? This is even more amusing, considering that many APs are supposed to be paid much more than that under UGC scale only. Please quit trolling.
1. The fee (4.13 lacs) is only for the academic year 2024-25. It will increase every year after that.
2. Student loans are a bad idea at all times.
3. Don't rely on scholarships.
4. Expect other NLUs to also raise the fees as well.
5. The fee at NUJS is not less either (it is 4 lacs per year for its BSc-LLB program).
6. All NLUs are state institutions struggling for funding, hence the high fee is needed to survive.
1. Not really, I am from the batch of 2027 and its still 3LPA for us. It will not increase for existing batches. It increases for incoming batches and the same fees continues for 5years.
2. Why? Look at it as an investment. After 5 years, even if you get a mid-tier job, you can easily pay the loan back in 5-6 years. After that, you can earn for the remainer of your life.
I agree with the rest of the points!
The loan determines your career choice. You can't do litigation or pursue higher studies or do grassroot level work or even most kind of policy work, especially if you would become a primary bread earner in the family after graduation.
In a country struggling with income disparity and challenging social mobility - making education more expensive will only land you mediocre minds since it limits access to a privileged few.
Cheers.
History doesn’t start and end with your generation- there was stuff that happened before you as well. At one point nls had fees of a few thousand a year , and over time it increased to a lakh a year then two lakhs a year- at the time all these same arguments were made - but nothing much changed in fact nls has become more diverse over the years than less.
Also there is Aditya Birla scholarship
(I may not even get gnlu cause clat is unpredictable and my above comment may reek of arrogance but I just can’t afford nlsiu)
NLS is a government run university, the ROI for its students has been fairly good. If the worst thing you might have to do after graduating is work in a law firm for a year to pay off a loan- thats not actually unreasonable. You dont have to stick with corp law after that. Add to that there are scholarships and loan interest rates are quite low for educational loans. Its just not comparable.
[Fact check: NLS pays 7th CPC salaries, just like all other NLUs]
All I can say is a friend was hired to be an assistant professor recently and they make a tidy 1.15 in hand every month.
The advertisements tell you 7th pay commission scale, but the government only gives you a range . Most nlus will pay you the bottom most amount of money in that range- nls will pay you near the top of that range.
It’s just untrue what you’re assuming.
JGLS however can let you become a full professor without a phd and pay you much more- nls will insist you do your phd and you meet UGC criteria. Thats the only reason you will see the difference.
Pay commission is about the minimum you have to pay- not the maximum you can.
I wonder why you think your guesswork is more true than the money in my bank account.
First of all, you have got some serious comprehension issues. You keep harping on the point that according to me, Assistant Professors cannot get paid as much as 1.2 L per month, when I said nothing of the sort. I can name 50 APs across the NLUs who are being paid that or more. AP is not a homogeneous category, genius! You get paid more based on your academic work experience. The 80-85K (depending on city-based HRA) is for FRESHER APs without any academic experience whatsoever, or someone who joins a new fresher post without pay protection from an earlier post. Both the people whom you mentioned were not freshers, and if you could not figure that out, then I feel sorry for the clients who would in future have the misfortune to rely upon you.
Secondly, no public law university can pay out of turn to a full-time teacher even if they want to. That's a financial irregularity that their FC would not sanction, and other faculty who have reached their pay scale via the UGC CAS promotion route would protest and successfully challenge the decision before any court of law. The only way to get a relatively junior faculty a higher pay scale is to absorb them in an open-contest higher position. By promotion, an Assistant Professor can make Associate only after 13 years (12 in case of an early PhD), which does not depend on whether university has such a position vacant. By open selection, they can make Associate only after 8 years or Professor after 10 years, provided the university has a vacancy (that too, they will have to satisfy the eligibility requirements of such posts). NLS is not your or Sudhir's ancestral property that these rules can be broken with impunity, especially when the money actually comes from the students and the university also accepts state government funds and hence amenable to audit. Jindal on the other hand can pay whomever whatever they want, because they are private, don't accept government funds and have got IOE status. They can even pay different salaries to two faculty with exactly identical designation without an Article 14 writ being filed against them. NLS cannot do that either.
You should improve your knowledge instead of relying on hearsay and then come opining on matters like this. You seem to be a student who doesn't really have a clue, so it's useless engaging with you any further. By the way, AT was not being paid as much by NLS as by Jindal. He was getting more than what an AP in his position should have been paid, but that was because he was charged with additional admin responsibilities at NLS over and above his duties as AP. Clearly, you don't know that either. I won't get into a debate about the ethical issues involved there, since if neither NLS nor Jindal had any problem with the arrangement, I don't see what concern it is of anybody else.
I have seen these people receive salary money in their accounts. I have had drinks with them because I am their colleague- and they have told me what work they did and how much they got paid, they have discussed their pay with me when they got hired. Ad hoc folks hired this academic year get 1.15. I have literally no intention arguing with a student trying to prove that I actually teach in this place- because I do. AT did not have teaching or research experience before he joined there. He was fresh out of the LLM. And given he was part time at best- he really did get overpaid. Which- I'm fine with. Neither of the none of the people I'm talking about got absorbed in an open contest and none of them were qualified to become associate professors. You just dont know anything. I made a very simple claim at the beginning of all this- that NLS pays comparable salaries to jgls, and that it pays more than other NLUs, you have now admitted that that is possible. You started out claiming it was impossible. thats literally the point. If the same exact guy is getting the same salary at NLS and JGLS- thats the whole argument I'm making. I didn't say shit about base pay, ta, ra, HRA none of that. I said- in hand they get the same thing. Please go ask your professors if thats not true. I'm absolutely done with this nonsensical conversation.
I'm not naming people specifically because youll be able to figure out exactly who I am based on who my friends are- If youre on campus- youve seen us hanging out. That is literally the only reason. If you were even on campus youd know who all I'm talking about just from the time I said they joined and the experience I said they have. I have no wish to doxx myself on the internet because youre confused about how rules are implemented and what a university can do to hire people. Ive known colleagues who came from nalsar to nls and nalsar to jgls- those two guys get paid about the same both of them. and both of them got a pay bump leaving nalsar. go ask them dude.
2. But that will take away your precious AILET scam money, so you will never do that anyway.
3. UT Infection sounds about right.
To be fair NLU, and amongst them as well, the NLS tag would be worth much more in future. However, the concerns are very valid for the poor meritorious chaps who wish to get out of the socio-economic traps.
I remember receiving forwarded messages every now and then as to how some talented individual was unable to make the ends meet and wished to have a crowdsourced fund for paying up the fee to college.
And trust me choosing these universities won’t make any difference to them
Nalsar fee:- 2.41 lakhs (gives you better foreign placements/TCs than NLS which is charging 4.15)
Nujs fee:- 2.48 lakhs (gives you better domestic placements than NLS which is charging 4.15)
NLU Delhi:- 3.02 lakhs (gives you better foreign llm plus upsc exposure than nlsiu).
Even nlu Jodhpur seems cheaper than nlsiu considering Aditya Birla is also applicable in nlu j.
So this made nlsiu far more inaccessible. The aspirant will save the 1.15 lakh every year to do a well rounded masters later on.
NLSIU need to reconsider its decision.