Dogs all over the college are effectively ruling with impunity, biting and generally messing up the girls hostel and basically any walkable space on campus.
IMO start making videos of the people who feed these dogs, generally don't want dogs gone from campus and hold them liable (in accordance with the court order) in case anyone gets bitten, as many many already have.......
Bro it's happening in all colleges and all over India in general. The ▮▮▮ animal rights activists will not allow the dogs to be evicted. Remember the incident in Noida where a stray dog killed a small child? The animal rights people were defending the dog and saying that the child should not have run scared.
I think we should ask a simple question to these activists: if you love the dogs so much, why don't you adopt them and keep them in your home?
Just want to address the concerns of hygiene and safety, I am a student of NLUJ, our freshers party was yesterday, half of the students were drunk, and there is vomit in most of the sinks in the washrooms and shared spaces, the hallways and this happens a lot on weekends. There have been drunk students assaulting other students.
These are some of the people raising concerns of hygiene and safety regarding dogs on college.
We are here to study and we share a common space with the dogs who were born here. The entitlement of people pushing to remove the dogs does not surprise me but all their concerns would be taken seriously if they actually care about safety and hygiene, not just when it is an inconvenience for them. No one is asking these people to take money out of their pockets and feed dogs, they can very well use it for whatever they please, just don't dictate how we should use our money. And yes, we are not going to adopt every other dog and bring them home, this campus is their home, they belong here,and deserve to be here perhaps even more than you do. You are welcome to dictate us and ask us to adopt dogs, thank you, might consider it, might not, come to a discussion with practical and reasonable solutions.
Hear, hear. People who cannot show basic empathy to animals genetically pre-disposed to love and be loyal to humans, when given legal education, may turn into dangerous and harmful members of the society.
You can keep 2000 dogs but please provide in writing that you and the dog lover association will pay for my treatment and ₹10L in compensation if any dog attacks me and agree to be held personally liable for all nuisance/dirt/other activities caused by your beloved friends(dogs).
Also co living and all is fine but I don’t appreciate dogs scourging my hostel floors dustbin at any random hour of the day/night. And this beautiful thing happens when I live on the second floor. Can’t imagine what the scene is like at lower floors.
No one raises the dogs, they are born here and they bring themselves up, and they deserve to be here however, feeding is my choice. However I don't expect you to understand, if you have a problem with it, take it up with the authorities
no one is keeping them, they belong here, they were born here. I don't appreciate random people on my floor throwing up in shared spaces either on a weekly basis either, not trying to get them illegally thrown out now, am I. We close the doors at the hostel to make sure they don't come in at night, I would suggest you try that.
"We close the doors at the hostel to make sure they don't come in at night, I would suggest you try that."Thank you so much for enlightening me. I used to deliberately keep the hostel door wide open despite their being a stopper that automatically closes the door and wondered how dogs came in. Silly me!
It was March 2022 when I first set foot on this campus. We had dogs back then, and there were people who were scared of them too. However, nobody wanted the dogs to be removed. The dogs minded their own business, and the people who liked them petted them, while others maintained their distance.
One particular dog that arrived on campus a few days later began chasing people. Things were still manageable; it was just one dog, and people tried to avoid it. Last semester, there were puppies, and for the most part, they were harmless. This semester, however, the dogs have grown up and started acting aggressively. It's become challenging for people to walk around campus because you never know when you might be chased by a group of dogs. Many people have been bitten, and many more have had close encounters. The issue of dogs defecating and urinating in the academic block and hostels is a major problem, but it's just one of the issues. The safety of students is at risk, and therefore, we hope that something will be done about the dogs.
Until now, nobody wanted the dogs to be removed because they didn't pose any problems. However, with each passing day, new problems are arising. People are actually getting bitten, and it's not just a one-time incident. Calling those people wishing to have a bare minimum livable life on campus "inhumane" is just not done.
Very well compiled bro. Everyone wants a solution and what the dog lovers are doing is just being rigid by sticking their head under the sand like an ostrich and not looking to come to a mutual point. Let’s hope something fruitful can be done.
The solution is to identify individual dogs that are aggressive and send them to a nearby animal shelter
Not evicting all dogs from their habitats
Please note that treating dogs cruelly contributes to them becoming aggressive to other human beings
Do not do it
If there are aggressive dogs - inform an animal shelter to pick them up - they have specialised care and treatment for these aggressive dogs. Many of them just have hormonal issues and get better with treatment.
There is an entire litter of puppies which were born on campus this semester,at this rate we are looking at them increasing in numbers over the summer,the current requirement is to have them sterilised on campus,this just prevents future situations while providing an anicat
Oooh please. Stop exaggerating. I have never seen dogs bark in daylight. At night yes, but never in daylight. At night they become territorial, but they become chill in the morning.
The ▮▮▮ hostel warden is also a so called dog lover and berates people especially ▮▮▮ who want these dogs gone from the campus, ▮▮▮ was even arguing with students and tried to equate dogs to humans and as to how Indian Army soldiers live with scorpions and snakes and that we have it quite good in the campus lol.
Maneka Gandhi is known to even threaten judges in private, to pass orders favourable to her. It's incredible how she alongwith her army of brainwashed people have operated in a manner reminiscent of mafia and strongmen, with sheer impunity for so long.
The level of dog-phobia among so-called educated law students is shameful. Those accusing dogs of biting humans, please first find out if the dog was provoked by taunting or throwing stones, which is normalised behaviour in India.
Um... I have seen with my own eyes people on the road throw stones at puppies, kittens and baby monkeys. Just the other day the news reported that a person killed an innocent baby monkey. Such people deserve zero sympathy when they get bitten.
Everyone is fed up of this dogs nuisance in gnlu. You cannot walk to the most, cafeteria,classes without being barked at and followed by these four legged creatures. If you love dogs so much, kindly adopt them or buy them a penthouse so that they don't attack the human race.
If I'm fed up of this drivel about dogs being published here again and again, I can't ask your parents to keep you in a penthouse with no Internet, can I now?
It costs you nothing to give a hungry dog a Parle G biscuit and a drink of water. Yet you people would prefer that they starve. Then you complain when they get agitated.
Gandhi had said that you can judge the greatness of a civilisation by the way it treats its animals. Sorry to say, but by this metric NLUJ students (and other NLU dog-hating students) are brutes.
Sure I am a feeder in NLUJ, don't bother taking my pictures. I am not trying to hide my identity, I will proudly post pictures of myself feeding dogs on public platforms :)
It's my moral and legal right and I will continue to do so and you can't stop the feeders because you have no basis to do so. My college has a bunch of entitled people I owe absolutely nothing to. No feeder is responsible for any of the conduct of dogs and you are free to establish otherwise if you can :)
FYI, the videos we'll make are not for social media clout, they'll be used as evidence in court when you'll be asked to take care of the dogs living expenses and medical expenses for anyone injured by the dogs
Lol, by all means, please go ahead and best of luck, because you will really need it for establishing a feeder's responsibility :)
And we will continue feeding, and we reiterate, no feeder is going to assume responsibility for the living expenses or medical expenses for anyone injured by the dogs.
Oh we are entitled to feed alright and we will, glad it astounded you. Didn't bother reading the case did you, it was a suggestion of a judge in the case, not an order and it's not binding, but sure please go ahead and see if you can make the feeders liable, would love to watch it play out :)
You should read the actual case laws instead of newspaper coverage of that. Shows your lack of skills as a law student. The court meant those cases where the dogs come to a place from outside because people feed them. This is not at all applicable to campus dogs, as you would have known had you bothered to read it.
They are not mad, you are just uninformed. A basic research will tell you, if dogs are removed from an area, the area will be repopulated with other dogs.
The solution to relocate them is embarrassingly ineffective and unoriginal and moreover, illegal. The dogs are aggressive because they are either in heat or hungry and regularly feeding them, neutering them and vaccinating them is the only viable long term solution and this responsibility falls upon the administration of a college not on animal rights activists.
The people wanting to get them relocated are just trying to illegally remove dogs and resort to a rather ineffective strategy. All the best to that.
We can also take videos of people demanding they illegally be removed, harassing animal rights activists for protesting to the illegal removal and the actual illegal removal of the dogs
Like all issues, this has become a political culture war on campus. Liberals support the rights of dogs to stay on campus, as animal rights are a natural extension of their belief in human rights. Conservatives oppose the presence of dogs, because they are not believers of human rights.
Nope, I'm a liberal, but I don't support dogs in campus, I paid a huge fee to be in the college. I do not want to be attacked, everyone is not a animal lover and animal lovers are welcome to adopt them. Just don't force your choice on us. These Animal lovers will go to any extent to blame the victims.
Most of these animal lovers are rich brats who grew up with pets and have enough money to keep a pack of biscuits every time they are outside of their room. I don't want to get bitten by them, I don't want to be licked by them, it makes me feel unclean, and I don't want to spend money on their upkeep no matter how small the amount may seem to you.
I just want to feel safe when I'm roaming around the campus for which I paid a pretty heavy fee.
Just to clarify, I love dogs like labradors, golden retrievers, spaniels, boxers, Dalmatians, pugs, dachshunds and huskies. My aunt has a lovely, well-behaved Labrador named Cindy. But I HATE street dogs and support their culling.
My point now stands proven. This is the exact elitist and classist behaviour of people pushing to remove dogs from NLUJ. Lol, it will be very disappointing to observe that the world doesn't revolve around you. Unfortunately we have to share a space with you people like you as well. They even look down upon other batchmates and are extremely intolerant to any opposing views, going as far as to harass people with alternative views and spreading information and not engaging in a civil discussion with other viewpoints.
I #StandWithDogs. I feel the people spewing hate speech against dogs are psychologically conditioned by prejudice. Note the comment about dogs licking, being impure, being a nuisance etc. It's rooted in the purity-impurity divide in Hinduism, the notion of dogs being unclean in Islam and also the secular bourgeois attitude of selfishness and lack of compassion (Ayn Rand). The true status of dogs was outlined by Sai Baba of Shirdi from this well known story where we took the form of a dog. We should all follow the moral of this story. God lives in all creatures.
In Hinduism, dogs have time and again been shown as loving companions of humans. Dharma himself posed as a dog to accompany Yudhisthir to the gateway of heaven.
It is interesting to observe that people trying to remove the dogs from NLUJ, have no valid argument supporting their illegal demand, neither are they engaging in any fruitful discussions and this is the same condition in the university. They are asking feeders to take responsibility and are offering no reasoning on why they should take responsibility. Because you say so? That's not how things work. They are offering no useful solutions, nor are they explaining why the solutions the other side is offering is not feasible and are asking feeders to take responsibility. Why should they take responsibility. This is exactly why nothing to actually counter the situation is being done.
If you want to remove dogs, go ahead and do it but face the legal consequences because obviously it's illegal and there will be consequences :)
can the dog supporting party come up with actual solutions or will keep whining about how maneka gandhi supports them, while everyone (including disabled students) faces the wrath of the dog bites
Unless you don't, relocating them periodically seems like a pretty good plan
We did come up with solutions, not on us if you are not willing to listen and since you are the people who want to make it happen, you do it and face legal consequences. Anything to do with the relocation is not our responsibility or idea. Relocating them periodically is illegal, impractical and your responsibility, since it's your idea. And it will most definitely be reported. Find a great plan that's legal. Best of luck.
Seems dog lovers only thrive on one thing and that is whataboutery. You f**** told you provided solutions and now when people want to hear it out in the open you want them to research. Let me get one thing straight, dogs are headed out from all campuses so maybe wrap your pea-sized brain around that concept
Please read this article from the UK Daily Telegraph everyone. It’s a must read. And before the dog-lover wokes complain that this newspaper is conservative, note that it quotes top experts.
The dog problem is real. And the balance between rights of animals and humans is hard to maintain sometimes. Recently, the VC went to the Orissa HC to get the order from the Chancellor to remove the dogs from the campus who were posing a serious threat to one student with disability.
I'm not advocating for it by any means, but don't be shocked if some students start carrying cricket bats to violently defend themselves against dogs, dare I say, even beat them up in order to stay safe. Ir would only make sense
Today stray dogs led to the death of a prominent business scion in Ahmedabad. This menace affects people across all strata of society. Yet kukkur premis recklessly keep feeding strays, arguing and hindering efforts at population control. Most likely, they will blame the victim here and say there was no need to venture out of the house.
One outcome of this incident will be that there will be increased visibility about the issue which is sadly never provided or shouted down when the victims are poor kids. Meanwhile, the judiciary who stay cocooned in their privileged life and spaces, keep furthering this menace. An immediate and humane solution to this menace is needed. You cannot keep compounding the misery of other living beings. Going to carry around a stick for safety purposes henceforth
Today stray humans led to the death of at least a million other humans all over the world. Based on all reports combined. You should start culling everyone.
Hi everyone, first of all this comment is to not hate but rather to spark a conversation and improve each other's perspective about the topic.
I also saw someone talking about the "people who complain about dogs also did this" - its nice to have context about someone while dealing with personal matters, but in a general topic discussion like this, objectively looking at these arguments based on their merit alone in an unbiased way is better.I am someone who has been afraid of dogs from the beginning of my childhood.I find it hard to trust a dog due to the following reasons: He doesn't understand certain things about our life for example, in roads, they start to chase vehicles causing accidents and lives, also biting people whom he thinks is dangerous due to the behaviour of other human beings.
When I am going to mess and getting food from there to hostel(i am from a diff college), he actively blocks the way and asks for the food with me not allowing me to go and not understanding that I already don,t have enough money for me to eat how could I afford for him? To all those people who say things like "just one dog did doesn't mean dogs are bad"- lemme just twist it back "just because one human did not all humans bad" - then why did the dogs bite/chase?
its simple - both of these cases the subjects don't want to risk trying to expose themselves
The same is with me - a dog which has sharp teeth and claws could very easily damage me It doesn't mean it will, but there is clearly potential for it to do so
Let's just say they start allowing using guns to the public without a license, what happens then? people 'who are not trained' will get access to a dangerous power [Power Corrupts]
In case of dogs, I am not asking to kill/evacuate the dogs - all I want is to be safe Just make sure the dogs dont cause harm to other fellow beings or defecate in wrong places - maybe train them - all those animal activism organisations provide food to them
Let's say a person shoots some person, the one will be in jail after a few days
but what about dogs?will they put in jail? - in my opinion they shouldn't be put in jail
dogs don't even know that a law exists so they are almost like a kid so he should be given freedom to that extent
Please be aware I spend a lot of time and effort to do my stuff and a dog just coming easily and damaging all of these is unacceptable
I AM HAPPY TO HEAR OPINIONS ABOUT THIS FROM OTHER PEOPLE - PLEASE GIVE YOUR OPINION SO THAT I COULD KNOW THAT I AM WRONG AND CORRECT IT.
Absolutely correct!! 💯 Two thumbs up!! 👍👍 Dogs perceive the world through their noses. When stinky boy students who haven't bathed in days and smell of tobacco/weed walk up to dogs, they associate that smell with drug addicts, vagrants, burglars etc. So they get aggressive.
I'm happy to be a brute if you become one when wanting to prioritise a safe environment wherein one can walk/cycle without fear of getting chased/bitten. Also, if Ms. Maneka Gandhi is so passionate about dogs, I request her to come take all of the dogs on NLUJ campus with her.
Impressive how unaware you seem to be. Simply because you haven't experienced it doesn't mean it hasn't occurred for others. Your dismissal of these students' claims, acting as if you're an expert on every dog's behavior, is just amazing.
I haven't seen every dog, but I've studied recorded instances of their behaviour and what science actually says about that. Your argument about the possibility of one dog acting crazy justifying removal of all of them is like saying that one student can get crazy and try to harm others, so all of you should be sent back home and the university should be closed.
Please provide some source of your scientific and behavioural study, because last I heard the eminent journal of Bullshitting isn’t a valid source to justify letting all the dogs loose without vaccination, and with no care for population control
Can't do your research for you, buddy. You need to get off your ass and read. As for vaccination, who is stopping that? All the dogs should regularly be vaccinated. Just like all the students.
That’s what I’m saying, can’t the pet lovers association take the lead and get them vaccinated. I would be happy to pay out of my pocket if they can’t afford the bills.
That's a reasonable expectation. People who really love those dogs can try to do this together. It's for the benefit of the dogs only. At my NLU, that is how things happen for the most part, though we have only 4-5 dogs in the campus.
i think u should try going for a walk in night time where stray dogs have captured the area, you will be ripped to shreds, humans will attack dogs thats just how it is in india, that way they will become aggressive and that will lead to them attacking in large groups, now the solution is either everyone stops hitting animals and feeding them regularly, or stringent laws like they have in usa where every stray is caught and sent to the pound, but one has to be chosen
again u assumed taking a walk means in your fancy metros with enough humans nearby and well lit roads, i'm talking about the lonely streets in my town specifically where there is an absolute dog menace, just because they show you courtesy doesn't mean everyone in India is safe, what kind of logic are you using, i'm safe so everyone is fine ?
u cant single out colleges, u have to take into account all areas, not have a biased mind, look at USA for example they have way greater dog lovers who spend their lives for dogs by making animal shelters, but their minds are not clouded, They know that the pound is necessary and allowing stray dogs to roam freely is a danger to society. You don't see protestors outside the dog pound do you ?
Campus is an enclosed space so I fail to understand unless the dogs use some spring and ladders to jump back in how the hell are you going to repopulate the campus premise. 😂
Ofc you fail to understand, they have been removed multiple times in the past, illegally, and they didn't randomly start existing again in the "enclosed space". Not gonna make you understand, it seems pointless. Lol.
The guards have been lax, no 2 ways about it. From where I come our society has a strict safeguard to prevent random strays from entering the apartment complex and remain outside only. Don’t know why such a thing can’t be enforced in a college campus, it’s not that dogs are being removed from public space.
Hmm actually feeding a Parle-G does cost money, just like the dogs there are humans too with out access to food we are not against feeding animals, but rather do it in a systematic way so that it benefits the animals and also train them well so they don't bite others
and i am not a nlu student frankly idk what it means
simply put, make dogs not bite humans and not defecate in wrong places so that it doesnot cause health issues to other living beings
if thats not possible then only way is to separate humans and dogs
IMO start making videos of the people who feed these dogs, generally don't want dogs gone from campus and hold them liable (in accordance with the court order) in case anyone gets bitten, as many many already have.......
I think we should ask a simple question to these activists: if you love the dogs so much, why don't you adopt them and keep them in your home?
These are some of the people raising concerns of hygiene and safety regarding dogs on college.
We are here to study and we share a common space with the dogs who were born here. The entitlement of people pushing to remove the dogs does not surprise me but all their concerns would be taken seriously if they actually care about safety and hygiene, not just when it is an inconvenience for them. No one is asking these people to take money out of their pockets and feed dogs, they can very well use it for whatever they please, just don't dictate how we should use our money. And yes, we are not going to adopt every other dog and bring them home, this campus is their home, they belong here,and deserve to be here perhaps even more than you do. You are welcome to dictate us and ask us to adopt dogs, thank you, might consider it, might not, come to a discussion with practical and reasonable solutions.
Also co living and all is fine but I don’t appreciate dogs scourging my hostel floors dustbin at any random hour of the day/night. And this beautiful thing happens when I live on the second floor. Can’t imagine what the scene is like at lower floors.
Also do remember there is always a bigger fish if you think that people can’t outpower you.
One particular dog that arrived on campus a few days later began chasing people. Things were still manageable; it was just one dog, and people tried to avoid it. Last semester, there were puppies, and for the most part, they were harmless. This semester, however, the dogs have grown up and started acting aggressively. It's become challenging for people to walk around campus because you never know when you might be chased by a group of dogs. Many people have been bitten, and many more have had close encounters. The issue of dogs defecating and urinating in the academic block and hostels is a major problem, but it's just one of the issues. The safety of students is at risk, and therefore, we hope that something will be done about the dogs.
Until now, nobody wanted the dogs to be removed because they didn't pose any problems. However, with each passing day, new problems are arising. People are actually getting bitten, and it's not just a one-time incident. Calling those people wishing to have a bare minimum livable life on campus "inhumane" is just not done.
Not evicting all dogs from their habitats
Please note that treating dogs cruelly contributes to them becoming aggressive to other human beings
Do not do it
If there are aggressive dogs - inform an animal shelter to pick them up - they have specialised care and treatment for these aggressive dogs. Many of them just have hormonal issues and get better with treatment.
Gandhi had said that you can judge the greatness of a civilisation by the way it treats its animals. Sorry to say, but by this metric NLUJ students (and other NLU dog-hating students) are brutes.
It's my moral and legal right and I will continue to do so and you can't stop the feeders because you have no basis to do so. My college has a bunch of entitled people I owe absolutely nothing to. No feeder is responsible for any of the conduct of dogs and you are free to establish otherwise if you can :)
And we will continue feeding, and we reiterate, no feeder is going to assume responsibility for the living expenses or medical expenses for anyone injured by the dogs.
READ IT BEFORE COMMENTING
The solution to relocate them is embarrassingly ineffective and unoriginal and moreover, illegal. The dogs are aggressive because they are either in heat or hungry and regularly feeding them, neutering them and vaccinating them is the only viable long term solution and this responsibility falls upon the administration of a college not on animal rights activists.
The people wanting to get them relocated are just trying to illegally remove dogs and resort to a rather ineffective strategy. All the best to that.
Most of these animal lovers are rich brats who grew up with pets and have enough money to keep a pack of biscuits every time they are outside of their room. I don't want to get bitten by them, I don't want to be licked by them, it makes me feel unclean, and I don't want to spend money on their upkeep no matter how small the amount may seem to you.
I just want to feel safe when I'm roaming around the campus for which I paid a pretty heavy fee.
https://twitter.com/ACKComics/status/856754507593601025
If you want to remove dogs, go ahead and do it but face the legal consequences because obviously it's illegal and there will be consequences :)
https://factly.in/there-is-no-supreme-court-order-which-makes-the-person-feeding-stray-dogs-liable-for-its-bites/
Lol.
Unless you don't, relocating them periodically seems like a pretty good plan
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/global-health/climate-and-people/indias-stray-dog-days-finally/
Bar and Bench Link: https://www.barandbench.com/news/orissa-high-court-orders-relocation-stray-dogs-nlu-odisha-campus-student-cerebral-palsy-attacked
One outcome of this incident will be that there will be increased visibility about the issue which is sadly never provided or shouted down when the victims are poor kids. Meanwhile, the judiciary who stay cocooned in their privileged life and spaces, keep furthering this menace. An immediate and humane solution to this menace is needed. You cannot keep compounding the misery of other living beings. Going to carry around a stick for safety purposes henceforth
I also saw someone talking about the "people who complain about dogs also did this" - its nice to have context about someone while dealing with personal matters, but in a general topic discussion like this, objectively looking at these arguments based on their merit alone in an unbiased way is better.I am someone who has been afraid of dogs from the beginning of my childhood.I find it hard to trust a dog due to the following reasons:
He doesn't understand certain things about our life for example, in roads, they start to chase vehicles causing accidents and lives, also biting people whom he thinks is dangerous due to the behaviour of other human beings.
When I am going to mess and getting food from there to hostel(i am from a diff college), he actively blocks the way and asks for the food with me not allowing me to go and not understanding that I already don,t have enough money for me to eat how could I afford for him?
To all those people who say things like "just one dog did doesn't mean dogs are bad"- lemme just twist it back "just because one human did not all humans bad" - then why did the dogs bite/chase?
its simple - both of these cases the subjects don't want to risk trying to expose themselves
The same is with me - a dog which has sharp teeth and claws could very easily damage me
It doesn't mean it will, but there is clearly potential for it to do so
Let's just say they start allowing using guns to the public without a license, what happens then? people 'who are not trained' will get access to a dangerous power [Power Corrupts]
In case of dogs, I am not asking to kill/evacuate the dogs - all I want is to be safe
Just make sure the dogs dont cause harm to other fellow beings or defecate in wrong places - maybe train them - all those animal activism organisations provide food to them
Let's say a person shoots some person, the one will be in jail after a few days
but what about dogs?will they put in jail? - in my opinion they shouldn't be put in jail
dogs don't even know that a law exists so they are almost like a kid so he should be given freedom to that extent
Please be aware I spend a lot of time and effort to do my stuff and a dog just coming easily and damaging all of these is unacceptable
I AM HAPPY TO HEAR OPINIONS ABOUT THIS FROM OTHER PEOPLE - PLEASE GIVE YOUR OPINION SO THAT I COULD KNOW THAT I AM WRONG AND CORRECT IT.
and somehow that is my fault, wow, way to victim blame
we are not against feeding animals, but rather do it in a systematic way so that it benefits the animals and also train them well so they don't bite others
and i am not a nlu student frankly idk what it means
simply put, make dogs not bite humans and not defecate in wrong places so that it doesnot cause health issues to other living beings
if thats not possible then only way is to separate humans and dogs