A day (zero) at NLU DelhiA day (zero) at NLU DelhiExclusive: NLU Delhi placed five students from its first ever batch, which will graduate in 2013, in three Indian and one UK magic circle law firm in its ongoing recruitment efforts. Ten other law firms have expressed interest in conducting recruitment interviews for the batch of 2013 in the coming academic semester.

Amarchand Mangaldas Delhi hired two students, while Khaitan & Co Mumbai and Tuli & Co Delhi hired one student each in June. The firms interviewed students participating in the recruitment process, at their own offices instead of visiting campus.

Linklaters extended a training contract to one student who had interned with the UK magic circle firm.

The law school’s placement committee (RCC) declined to name the other 10 firms that had expressed interest in interviewing students of the batch, but a source with knowledge of the process said: “For us ‘day zero’ has been pretty extended, the ‘day zero’ concept didn’t really work. We are now targeting smaller firms.”

NLU Delhi vice chancellor professor Ranbir Singh said: “I am very sure that the kind of students coming out of the first batch of NLU Delhi can match anybody in the country. There should be no reason why any law firm would not like to recruit these students. NLU Delhi would be the first choice. I am not panicky about the placements.”

It is understood that the firms that have conducted and will conduct recruitment interviews for the 2013 batch asked students to visit the firms’ Delhi offices for interviews.

The four-year old law school was to hold its first day of recruitment activities on 18 May, but postponed it to the first week of June after NUJS Kolkata decided also to begin fourth year recruitment on that date.

NUJS Kolkata declined to share figures of its Day Zero recruitment citing a “gag order” from the law school’s vice chancellor Ishwara Bhatt to keep the details confidential.

Day Zero recruitment efforts at NLU Jodhpur yielded 14 jobs on the first day in May, while in April Nalsar Hyderabad’s first week of fourth year recruitment this year netted 15 jobs. GNLU Gandhinagar bagged 17 jobs and NLIU Bhopal got nine also in April.

Traditional first-mover NLSIU Bangalore managed 25 jobs on the first day of its Day Zero scheduled in May, after NLU, Nalsar, GNLU and NLIU.

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Recommend! +2 Objection! -2 Legal Dodo 2012-10-11 12:14
Impressive figures considering its the first batch graduating. Congrats to NLUD.
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Recommend! +17 Objection! -0 FYI 2012-10-11 13:06  interesting  top rated
You call 5 job offers impressive? Even Allahabad university can place more than 5 students...
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Recommend! +0 Objection! -0 SVW 2012-10-11 23:21
Dear FYI, excuse the above guy. Read his full title.
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Recommend! +12 Objection! -0 Sad Placements 2012-10-11 12:23  interesting  top rated
Colleges like NLSIU and NUJS have got more than 20 top law firm job offers in day ZERO.

Compared to this NLUD's placements are SAD.

It shows how overrated NLUD is. Hope this takes out the hot air.
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Recommend! +11 Objection! -0 Ranbir 2012-10-11 13:36  interesting
I am the Best!! I want to become Governor soon ;)
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Recommend! +7 Objection! -0 Yaba-Daba-Dooo! 2012-10-11 23:33  interesting
It also shows that rigging moots and winning them isn't a well kept secret that would entice employers ;)
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Recommend! +0 Objection! -0 Overrated 2012-10-11 13:05
FIVE?
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Recommend! +0 Objection! -0 bad performance NLUD.. 2012-10-11 13:38
Looking at the Day Zero performance of NLSIU, NLU Jodhpur, NUJS, ............NLUD can't compared with the NLUs.
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Recommend! +0 Objection! -0 Bah Humbug! 2012-10-12 12:55
first batch!! how can you compare colleges who are soo old with such a new college...give it the time these colleges were given and then see..
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Recommend! +3 Objection! -0 gggg 2012-10-11 14:58
This only proves that NLUD is one of the most over-rated law schools. So far only 5 placements. Ha!
seems like NLU D has miles to go. Fair enough that they are only a few years old, but they should not peg themselves against the other top NLS in India.
This is only the first batch and therefore we expect a lot from them. Its the senior's performance in the law firms which will determine whether their employers are happy and would wish to continue recruiting from NLUD. so those five people who have secured jobs, you have to set an example for your fellow juniors
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Recommend! +1 Objection! -0 Follower 2012-10-11 15:15
Chill Out there are 8 months left

Moreover there already 10 firms which are taking interviews
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Recommend! +8 Objection! -0 Mr. JUGAAD 2012-10-11 16:21  interesting
"...I am not panicky about the placements.” - Ranbir Singh

hahahaha.. y will he be panicky! but, what about the students :P
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Recommend! +4 Objection! -0 Res Ipsa 2012-10-11 16:43
I'm sure other "local" Delhi colleges (Illustratively, DU, IP and Amity) have better placements than this. Even GLC, Mumbai does a better job. Not to forget the fees of these "local" colleges are comparatively paltry.
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Recommend! +11 Objection! -0 Jugaadu Doodhwaala 2012-10-11 16:57  interesting
there is nothing unusual about 5 students being placed. My neighbourhood milkman (may flowers be showered before every step he takes) once claimed that he had so many contracts that how could place the entire CLC evening law fac.

guess being apprentice to doodhwala is better than going to ranvbir singh's stables.
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Recommend! +3 Objection! -1 Way to go 2012-10-11 18:14
Excuse me? A training contract from a magic circle law firm from the first batch. Why does nobody ever see the positives?
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Recommend! +3 Objection! -0 SVW 2012-10-11 23:53
Excuse me! Weigh it with the other 75 who dont have a job. Now say, do you still see positivity 'Way to Go'?
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Recommend! +0 Objection! -0 Res Ipsa 2012-10-11 18:48
To '1' student...
Just seeing things as they are suppose to be seen.
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Recommend! +0 Objection! -0 foreign firms are a sham 2012-10-11 19:24
Foreign firms are SHAM when it comes to Indian law student recruitment.
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Recommend! +0 Objection! -0 HLO 2012-10-11 19:41
Quoting foreign firms are a sham:
Foreign firms are SHAM when it comes to Indian law student recruitment.

Elaborate!
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Recommend! +0 Objection! -0 rec 2012-10-12 00:28
Being honest, lets give NLU-D credit for this.Getting into foreign firms is way more competitive and difficult than getting in Amarchand or any other domestically operated firms.
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Recommend! +1 Objection! -0 nice person 2012-10-11 20:08
Congratulations to all of you who got placed. May the force be with all of those who didn't.
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Recommend! +1 Objection! -0 lawyer delhi 2012-10-11 22:15
5 jobs for a 70-80 student batch is not remarkable but for a 4 year old law school and with 8 months still to go, its certainly not bad. And see the quality of placements, Linklaters, AMSS and Khaitan - NLU Delhi is going to be a top place next only to NLS, Nalsar, Nujs. All the best to rest of you!
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Recommend! +1 Objection! -0 Be patient. 2012-10-11 22:29
Eight months are left. Just wait and watch. Five is not the eventual placement data. More than 15 firms are yet to interview the students. Moreover, standard of students is much better in the forthcoming batches. And obviously everyone knows about it, me, you, and all. :)

Just wait and watch. Patience will pay. :)
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Recommend! +2 Objection! -0 TAU 2012-10-11 22:59
Up yours haters.. I will get them all jobs!
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Recommend! +0 Objection! -0 SC advocate. 2012-10-11 23:35
Working with a SC senior counsel, I have got to meet several interns from NLUD, and I did find the students from there quite worthy of a praise. Their standard can really not be doubted. Moreover, I have heard that subsequent batches are far better in standard.

When it comes to placement, I don't have much idea, but people must understand that the batch has still not passed out, and more than 10 firms are yet to interview the students. Let us not make much hue and cry, and judging with what I have witnessed, the students have a great future ahead, for they are really talented.

Good luck!
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Recommend! +0 Objection! -0 Bewildered. 2012-10-11 23:49
How come that zero day placement is being considered as the final placement? First batch. Of course not much can be expected at zero day. Let us wait till the batch passes out.
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Recommend! +0 Objection! -0 VO 2012-10-11 23:52
Well, isn't this what they call KLPD...you know Kismat Love Paisa Dilli.
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Recommend! +2 Objection! -0 FIRST 2012-10-12 00:01
NLUD is the first law school in India to have gotten a student from the first passing out batch placed in a magic circle law firm.
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Recommend! +2 Objection! -0 Oh! 2012-10-12 01:26
Magic Circle Firms would not have been knowing/coming to India if earlier NLUs had not been there. They made their name internationally and only then did foreign firms came to India. So, lets not talk about that!
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Recommend! +0 Objection! -0 Anonymous 2012-10-12 11:04
Well..how logical you are...there is a PROCEDURE to apply to magic circle firms for internships...you get a TC in pursuance of that if you do well...if your 1st batch had that much brains I bet there would be somebody from there as well PLACED IN A MAGIC CIRCLE FIRM
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Recommend! +1 Objection! -0 Oh! 2012-10-12 11:28
For your kind information, foreign law firms started coming after NLSIU won Jessup Moot Court. For international firms to ALLOW students for vacation/scheme, an international recognition is always needed. Do you think students from other law colleges dnt apply?

Its your APPLICATION which is being considered initially, and its quite obvious that when some college receive international recognition, magic circle law firms would have been thinking to give a shot to even Indian Law Schools. I appreciate the achievement but here, it is not about brain, but about the opportunity which you have got only because of previously established law schools!
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Recommend! +0 Objection! -0 Anonymous 2012-10-12 12:43
well, exactly my point..its just that those law schools are `previously' established..not that they are better than NLUD..or NLUD is worse than them( whichever way you would like to put it..)
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Recommend! +0 Objection! -0 Oh! 2012-10-12 14:11
Where does the question of "Mine is better than yours" arose in my post? It is all about the foreign firms
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Recommend! +0 Objection! -0 Dear Oh! 2012-10-12 14:24
* arise .

English rules state that the first form of verb should be used if "does" is used in the sentence.
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Recommend! +6 Objection! -0 Lulz 2012-10-13 00:15  interesting
And the golden rule, when you have nothing to say, correct their grammar!
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Recommend! +4 Objection! -0 Bruce Wayne 2012-10-12 00:31
People are so bitter here. Just want others to fail. It's like Gotham all over again. Sigh!
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Recommend! +0 Objection! -0 Joker 2012-10-12 18:15
Dont joke. Thats what I do. Else I'll push you.
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Recommend! +4 Objection! -0 Harshit 2012-10-12 00:57
Okay!
What do you expect from a nascent bud, which is just four years old?
Considering the current scenario, placement record is not that bad either.
Magic Circle & AMSS recruiting from first batch is indeed remarkable.

Envy often seems to come from a perceived element of fear. I kindly request everyone to stop getting envious of their stunning achievements.
They are ready to set a new benchmark very soon.
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Recommend! +2 Objection! -0 Hearing 2012-10-12 01:27
"They are ready to set a new benchmark very soon." -

Yeah! I remember someone telling me this in 2009.
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Recommend! +1 Objection! -0 Avinash Kumar 2012-10-12 01:41
Let envy not rule the conscience. The standard of the University is unquestionable, and no sarcasm can conceal the same. It is always advisable to abstain from making a conclusive remark unless the things start speaking for themselves. Let us wait and watch.
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Recommend! +0 Objection! -0 Om Mondal 2012-10-12 02:30
Dude, looks like you guys focus a little too much on mooting. Didn't Ranbir Bhai tell you thats not enough ?

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Recommend! +0 Objection! -0 ggg 2012-10-12 14:11
Mondal Dada! Visit the college's library someday. You will get your misconceptions cleared.
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Recommend! +0 Objection! -0 Dear Om 2012-10-12 14:17
Dear Om Mondal,

Performing exceptionally well in a particular area doesn't imply that it's the ONLY arena you focus upon. Critical Reasoning, DADA.
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Recommend! +0 Objection! -0 Haha 2012-10-13 02:07
Mondal dada, As an outsider, I have always been a fan of NLUD for its mooting achievements. Great to find you in the same fan list...
As for the placements, time shall tell us how Ranbir Singh's presence matter to the university.
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Recommend! +2 Objection! -0 Education in India 2012-10-12 06:18
We can all revel in our mediocrity of higher education while better universities across the globe continue to churn out thousands of better graduates in every field -including legal- than us.

Good luck everyone.

Either way,
Why would the VC be mad?
From what I hear he has a luxurious office, travels business class to foreign countries and lives in a luxurious apartment and travels in a luxurious car with all other perks you can throw in.

Students on the other hand....
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Recommend! +1 Objection! -0 The Big Men! 2012-10-12 10:13
@ 24 # Just to add, i have also heard that VCs in these NLUs renovate their office every 3 month, changes the Sofas every 2 month and get a new laptop every month. :)

(P.S. - Rumours prevail in the air that the counterpart in NLUD just got a BMW as official vehicle!!!)
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Recommend! +0 Objection! -0 Anonymous 2012-10-12 10:59
criticizing NLUD for placing only 5 students in its first batch shows the standard and the jealousy other NLUs harbour against it. Firstly, the statement that the earlier NLUs made their mark internationally that is why magic circle is coming is hillarious..that is certainly not a logical argument to counter the FACT that A FIRST BATCH student of NLUD got placed in a magic circle firm!it seems that what took other NLUs at least 3 batches to achieve, NLUD achieved in its first batch..imagine what their(OTHER NLUs) fate would be if it opened at their time..Secondly, over-rated..well..NLUD's moot court achievments are unparalleled..and it certainly cannot be called overrated because if the 1st batch qualifies for Jessups World Round twice, 2nd year students win Henry Dunant etc. etc.(achievements are too much for all to be included)..their achievements speak for themselves as to the quality of students..And finally placements...it seems from the above conversation that all the NLUs had 100% placement in their 1st batch and maybe this gives them the locus standi to criticize NLUD..no seniors, no guidance, 1st batch and 5 students placed on day zero in 5 GOOD FIRMS! It reflects stupidity on the part of people to compare NLUD to NALSAR and NLS..if it can do so well in its fresher batch imagine what it will do in its subsequent batches..I can so very well understand the concerns of other NLUs now...8 months are still left..they might be able to get good placements still..so its not the college, neither the quality of students that is to be questioned..it is just the fact that its the 1st batch passing out at a time of recession...
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Recommend! +1 Objection! -0 Please! 2012-10-12 11:34
"Stupidity is also a gift of God, but one mustn't misuse it."
-Pope John Paul II
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Recommend! +0 Objection! -0 Correction. 2012-10-12 13:52
Please don't say "placing only 5 students in its first batch". That is just a zero day information i.e. the first day of the placements being started. Eight months still to go for the batch to pass out, and almost 15 more firms to interview.

Moreover, the quality of placements keeping in view the first ever zero day of the University is really commendable.
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Recommend! +0 Objection! -0 Why publish? 2012-10-20 13:59
Quoting Correction.:
Please don't say "placing only 5 students in its first batch". That is just a zero day information i.e. the first day of the placements being started. Eight months still to go for the batch to pass out, and almost 15 more firms to interview.

Moreover, the quality of placements keeping in view the first ever zero day of the University is really commendable.

I agree. But then, what's the use of providing that information to a news-reporter, knowing well that it'd be published and attract controversial comments like these? Wouldn't NLUD have been better off by divulging the entire recruitment info. at the end of the year?
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Recommend! +0 Objection! -0 ShyamjiVrindavanWale 2012-10-12 14:10
Hello NLUD!! I want to place you guys.
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Recommend! +1 Objection! -0 VG 2012-10-12 16:02
Poor buggers, they're under so much pressure to get jobs, they will never know the pleasure of certain herbs. :)
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Recommend! +1 Objection! -0 Sad Indeed 2012-10-12 22:12
It is indeed sad that our perception about a university is moulded by the placements of the students. To judge a university from such a narrow perspective will obviously lead to fallacious conclusions about i. I think it is high time that we learn to appreciate that placements, though important, is not the sole criteria to determine the worth of a university. I'm not even going to say that mooting is the sole criteria to determine the worth of a university, even though NLUD is doing really well. One should look at the infrastructure, the kind of opportunities offered, the support to be given to the students, the faculty, the administrative staff, the student community, the overall atmosphere, the library, etc. I find it appalling how one could judge a university, or for that matter, anything, based on one sole criteria.

Please people, open up your minds and broaden your horizon. Rather than competing among ourselves and trying to bring each other down, we should cooperatively work towards ensuring that the standards of higher education in India are uplifted and that we give a tough competition to our western counterparts.

And on a side note, someone in the thread above mentioned that the VC of NLUD now has a shiny new BMW. This is merely a rumour founded on absolute hearsay and is not at all true.
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Recommend! +0 Objection! -0 law student 2012-10-12 23:55
finally the unnecessary hype around NLUD is over. from day one there was a certain myth which is finally shattered about NLUD. it was stupidity on the first part to even compare NLUD to either of NLS,NALSAR,NLIU,NUJS. the latter 4 happen to be established brand names in the country having withstood the test of time whereas NLUD solely kept on drawing on the stature of its Director alone.......ders miles to go before NLUD even comes close to being called one of the top NLUs.
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Recommend! +4 Objection! -0 Jay 2012-10-13 07:51
Kian I am really disappointed by LI's continuous blackout of one of the most important education stories: the quality of faculty in Indian law schools. How come you have not done any comparison of the kind of faculty at the Indian law schools? This issue is directly related to placements, as students under a better faculty will be better trained. Companies and firms should know that the faculty at NLSIU, NALSAR and NUJS is crap compared to the so-called "lesser" law schools. Most of them are of the standard of post-office clerks and cannot even speak English properly. Please bring out this truth and give recruiters a clearer picture.
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Recommend! +0 Objection! -0 hey 2012-10-14 10:35
Hey Jay...Firstly let me tell u that I m not a NLU student....now tell me one thing you said teachers cant speak english properly they are standard of post-office clerk etc...this is the dumbest thing i ever heard nd u r the first who making such comment...dude how do u know these things ..have u attended the classes..nd secondly if their faculty is not good than why they are winning international moots like Jessup nd Stetson..nd if you gave best faculty than why u guys were a lot behind them in last 3 MPL..so dont make any ridiculous comment.....nd accept the truth
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Recommend! +0 Objection! -0 Jaywalker 2012-10-20 14:02
Quoting Jay:
Kian I am really disappointed by LI's continuous blackout of one of the most important education stories: the quality of faculty in Indian law schools. How come you have not done any comparison of the kind of faculty at the Indian law schools? This issue is directly related to placements, as students under a better faculty will be better trained. Companies and firms should know that the faculty at NLSIU, NALSAR and NUJS is crap compared to the so-called "lesser" law schools. Most of them are of the standard of post-office clerks and cannot even speak English properly. Please bring out this truth and give recruiters a clearer picture.

While I don't share the perception about some law schools being 'lesser' or 'greater' than others per se, if your claims are true, that'd mean the students graduating from the latter ought to be of better quality as a rule than those graduating from the former. So how come that's not being reflected in the recruitment scenario? Or are you going to say that firms these days recruit only after gauging the student's worth from LI news? ;)
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Recommend! +1 Objection! -0 EX NALSAR 2012-10-14 00:26
the top national law schools in the coutry have earned a reputation through a show of continuous and sustained performance over the years..NLS or NALSAR or NLIU...each one of them has built a place for itself in the legal world through sustained showings in all spheres...for nlu d to match such high standards time period will be a very important factor...moreover Nlud is in d nascent stage bt with sheer hardwork over years it could definitely try to come up to NLS,NALSAR or NLIU....
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Recommend! +1 Objection! -0 Lolz 2012-10-18 12:53
You must be from one of the first couple of NALSAR batches to say NLS, NALSAR and NLIU.
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Recommend! +2 Objection! -0 Kishen 2012-10-14 05:09
FWIW I think its not a bad show given the competition in the market and the state of the economy.

From what I remember, the first batch NALSAR did quite nicely when it came to jobs but not spectacular. The much-publicised first batch of NUJS produced many stars but recruitment as a whole was pulled down by large strength of the batch. and those were years where recruiters had just NLS / NALSAR / NUJS to choose from.

Now the scene is much more competitive and the job market is saturated. Even kids from NLS are not getting jobs despite a string of moots and internships at reputed firms.

There's still a year to go, NLU Delhi has a lot of potential.
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Recommend! +1 Objection! -0 Delegate. 2012-10-14 17:08
The college's standard can't be questioned. I have been there quite a few times and I did find the college quite impressive on varied terms. Definitely the students out there are talented, and a golden career won't elude them, for sure. Let us not make a fuss out here, and wish them all the very best.
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Recommend! +1 Objection! -0 Agreed. 2012-10-14 17:46
I do agree with "Delegate". I am a law aspirant, who could not make it to any NLUs this year, and I am giving a second chance. I know how much it takes to get to NLUD, with only 70 students being selected out of almost 15000 applications. They all are definitely talented, and I do agree that they all will have a great future. Let us not make much hue and cry. And I pray that I get to NLUD this time. :)
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Recommend! +0 Objection! -0 Agreeded 2012-10-15 03:18
Quoting Agreed.:
I do agree with "Delegate". I am a law aspirant, who could not make it to any NLUs this year, and I am giving a second chance. I know how much it takes to get to NLUD, with only 70 students being selected out of almost 15000 applications. They all are definitely talented, and I do agree that they all will have a great future. Let us not make much hue and cry. And I pray that I get to NLUD this time. :)


Buddy, those 15000 also take the CLAT. I'd suggest you work on your 'logical reasoning' bit.

On a separate note. SO MUCH VENOM! This is just sad.
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Recommend! +1 Objection! -0 Yes, I am from NLU D. 2012-10-20 23:09
A fourth year from the batch of 2014 has received a Vac Scheme from Herbert Smith.
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Recommend! +0 Objection! -0 ASHNUJS 2012-10-23 09:58
well it is an upcoming one, so this was kinda expected. yes, NLU D at this stage, at least cannot be pegged with the top seeds.
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Recommend! +0 Objection! -0 ASHNUJS 2012-10-23 10:01
however,NLU D can be in the top list once a few batches pass out
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Recommend! +4 Objection! -0 from nls 2013-01-17 13:04
i am in 4th year nls..i left nlud and took nls when i had the chance and today i regret my decision as i know that the second batch of nlud will have the best placements among the national law schools and its only competitor is IIM-A...and even its first batch will ahve one of the best placement records...
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Recommend! +1 Objection! -1 i work in amss 2013-01-29 16:09
Nlu delhi in its coming batches will create a record when it comes to pay packages..and no institute in india will even come near it..be it iim-ahmedabad or iit-bombay..nls bangalore will be the institute after nlu-delhi..these two national law schools will rule the legal industry...
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Recommend! +0 Objection! -0 @ Legally India 2013-03-20 12:21
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Day Zero recruitment efforts at NLU Jodhpur yielded 14 jobs on the first day in May, while in April Nalsar Hyderabad’s first week of fourth year recruitment this year netted 15 jobs. GNLU Gandhinagar bagged 17 jobs and NLIU Bhopal got nine also in April.
Traditional first-mover NLSIU Bangalore managed 25 jobs on the first day of its Day Zero scheduled in May, after NLU, Nalsar, GNLU and NLIU.
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While LI has corrected the main story on NLUJ to clarify that the 14 jobs were of the 4th year batch, this story still gives the impression that NLUJ secured 14 jobs on Day Zero while NLS had 25. It also compares NALSAR's score with reference to 4th year batch but is not clear about which batch of GNLU and NLIU are being referred. It may seem petty but many people form opinions of colleges from your reports and this story presents a skewed picture. Law aspirants may choose the wrong college if they follow such reports - LI is a market leader for legal news and MUST take care that they don't misguide the market (even if that's unintentional). Remember, the market also includes kids choosing a lawschool. Please don't become an India Today after you've put in so much hard work on LI. When you are not sure of some story, don't report. If you make a mistake and clarify / correct a story, please correct all related stories and stories that reference the corrected story incorrectly.

Kian, you have been a lawyer - you'll know what I am saying. Train your team because cross-referencing mistakes are fatal :) One can't change a defined term and leave the document as it is with old defined terms!

Having said all this, I remain a LI fan. As a fan, I want LI to do better. All the best.
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Recommend! +0 Objection! -0 kianganz 2013-03-20 12:35
Thanks for your feedback. But as far as I'm aware, the story is accurate - all the figures referenced from other colleges are fourth-year Day Zero figures from early 2012 (around May or thereabouts).

Just that the NLU-D Fourth years were in the fifth year by the time we reported this story?

Hope that is accurate and makes sense.

Best wishes,
Kian
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Recommend! +0 Objection! -0 @ Kian 2013-03-20 13:00
Thanks for your prompt response Kian. I have quoted a paragraph - a plain reading of the paragraph will show that there is NO indication whatsoever that the figures are for the 4th year batches of the older lawschools, except for NLASAR. I am not sure why/how LI expects readers to form that conclusion! I am also not sure what you are aware of, but there was a correction to the story on NLUJ (which is referenced in this story) where it was clarified that the figures are for the 4th year batch. A similar clarification is missing here - only a link to the NLUJ story is provided - until one visits that link, the real figures cannot be understood from this story. Similarly, nothing in this story indicates that the figures are for 4th year batches, except for NALSAR. As I said, it is not clear which batch of NLUJ, GNLU, NLIU and NLSIU are being referred to. It will be clear to you once you read the story.

Thus, while the figures may be correct, it is absolutely unclear which batch is being referred to, except for NLUD and NALSAR. It is somewhat clear for NLUJ if, and only if, one visits the article referenced in this story, which has been corrected (a similar correction is missing here - hence, my point about cross-referencing checks). There is absolutely no clarity, even by way of a hint, as to the batch in respect of the other lawschools. Just so that you know (and you may already know this), Day Zero is understood to be for the 5th year batch, unless otherwise clarified.

I don't expect a reply - just some improvement and, more importantly, you understanding what I am trying to say instead of being defensive (I wouldn't bother expecting that from some other reporters who are beyond learning / improving). Unless that happens, your brand value will erode. You guys are doing a great job. My intention is to help, not criticize. Keep up the good work and show others the way.

Best.
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Recommend! +0 Objection! -0 kianganz 2013-03-20 13:10
Please correct me if I'm wrong, but I thought 'Day Zero' was flexible and either for fourth and fifth years, depending on when they actually start their recruitment season.

So, one college's 2013 batch might only hold its Day Zero in the 5th year (late 2012-ish), while another college's 2013 batch might have Day Zero in the 4th year (early 2012 or late 2011'ish, for example).

Since this article is purely about Day Zero and this was mentioned a few times, I had hoped it was clear that all the figures are comparing like with like (i.e., Day Zeros, with Day Zeros, particularly in a paragraph that talks about Day Zeros at other colleges).

The NLU J article correction wasn't actually about Day Zero, but about the final recruitment figures of the graduating batch, which were reduced slightly from what we'd recorded (see the linked-to article for details).

I hope that clears things up and that I understood correctly.
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Recommend! +0 Objection! -0 @ Kian 2013-03-20 15:08
Yes Kian, 'Day Zero' for a batch is the first day of the recruitment week for that batch. That is why I said "Day Zero is understood to be for the 5th year batch, unless otherwise clarified."

The article does not clarify which Day Zero (4th year batch or 5th year batch) is being referred, and it says"
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Day Zero recruitment efforts at NLU Jodhpur yielded 14 jobs on the first day in May, while in April Nalsar Hyderabad’s first week of fourth year recruitment this year netted 15 jobs. GNLU Gandhinagar bagged 17 jobs and NLIU Bhopal got nine also in April.
Traditional first-mover NLSIU Bangalore managed 25 jobs on the first day of its Day Zero scheduled in May, after NLU, Nalsar, GNLU and NLIU.
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Thus, it indicates that the NLUJ figures are for Day Zero of 5th year batch - the clarification re NLUJ is clear in the article on NLUJ (referenced in this story), but it is not clarified here - hence, it gives an inaccurate impression. Also, except for NALSAR in respect of which the "4th year" bit is mentioned, the figures in respect of the other lawschools appear to be in relation to their 5th year Day Zero.
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Recommend! +0 Objection! -0 kianganz 2013-03-20 15:15
Ok, I see what you mean, though with all due respect, not sure it's such a big point or that it would actually mislead anyone as to anything? Basically what we did is compare the most recently available Day Zero data we had, irrespective of graduation years.

I think this is a fair enough comparison since we are looking at the state of the economy and the contemporaneous performance of several law schools, rather than historical performance of various colleges or individual batches.

And since we're only looking at snapshot figures for one day(ish), whether the students are in fourth or fifth year doesn't really matter (until the final analysis when we compare all actual 2013 graduate job offers from colleges, for example).

I think we can probably let this one rest for now, but appreciate your feedback and we'll take note in future stories to clarify which batches we are talking about, etc, if possible.

Thanks
Kian
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Recommend! +0 Objection! -0 @ Kian 2013-03-20 16:09
I knew you could reach this conclusion, which is why I had myself said in my first comment "It may seem petty". Comparing a 5th year batch's recruitment on a given day with the figures available for the 4th batch's recruitment on the same day is comparing apples with oranges. Some 4th years get offers before the 5th year batch's recruitment week. I appreciate these niceties may not be clear to everyone, which is why I offered my unsolicited 2 cents. The point I was making that the paragraph I quoted is inaccurate and it tends to convey the incorrect message due to reasons already cited. Many recruitng partyners at some smaller law firms / in house do not appreciate the niceties and may get the incorrect picture. Similarly, may law aspirants may form the wrong views about recruitment scenario in various lawschools.

Therefore, the best way to report is with accurate statements, like figure X is for A college's 5th batch, figure Y is for B college's 4th batch, figure Z is for C college's 5th batch and so on.

I am making this point repeatedly ONLY for two reasons -
1. people have been misled by the reporting of some journalists who don't care much for accuracy - I doubt LI has the same attitude, and
2. youngsters also read LI and if, God forbid, their choice of a lawschool goes wrong due to some story providing incorrect picture (like some journalists reporting NALSAR, NUJS etc rank below ILS, Symbiosis etc), it will be very unfortunate.

Let us please close this discussion - I have bothered you enough. I am sure you got the point, though I am not sure what steps you'll take to head in the right direction going forward.

All the best.
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Recommend! +0 Objection! -0 kianganz 2013-03-20 16:15
Thanks, duly noted, we'll try our best to pay attention to that going forward. Best wishes,
Kian
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