if the argument is that the IDF represents all of israel and that Hamas represents all of palestinians- thats a remarkably amoral way of approaching the problem. If that were indeed true- why would anyone be persuaded to have sympathy for either side? why should anyone care about this conflict if there were no innocent civilians on either side?

This is called whataboutery. Read some Gandhi- or Mandela, or thoreaux- they talk about how disciplined anti-oppression movements have to be. If youre no better than israel why should anyone care about your cause? how do you make a moral case? No one is arguing that the war or the deaths caused by it are good. You are going to have a hard time convincing people that Hamas is not a terrorist group because of a political decision by the government.

It’s an unauthorised encampment. They were harassing Jewish students. And waving banners of Hezbollah and Hamas - both terrorist groups. And they were burning the American flag. Go to Shai Davidais Twitter and you can see videos. They were told to leave and warned several times. The president of Columbia went to congress and lied about the action she was taking against them at the time.

It is not in good faith to claim “Palestinians are not all Hamas “ when you don’t stop people in your movement from waving the hezbollah and Hamas flags. It’s not in good faith to claim that there are innocent Palestinians and babies that have been harmed ( which anyone would be sympathetic to) But then to use that sympathy to sloganeer about how you’re proud of the martyrs of oct 7.

Mods : you clearly cannot moderate these topics. You always let these conversations start and then fail at moderating fairly mid way through. It would be better to not allow the misinformation in the first place. You’re under no pressure to let someone post some nonsense about this culture war in America every week or about the real war in Israel. It’s the honourable thing to go : “we just are not equipped to keep moderating these arguments” and just stop.