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Just to clarify my point - if you take 2 equally meritorious candidates and send them to 2 different firms/ teams, due to their particular team dynamics and team working style, one may flourish while other may end up having a nervous breakdown.
Itโs not always about merit, itโs also about the environment youโre in. A strict senior can also create a nurturing environment, but there are some places which end up ruining peopleโs career.
From the response you have given, it is clear you have been lucky to not have been part of such toxic teams. I hope it stays that way.
Sacrificing social events- I mean come on- you're not missing the birth of your firstborn or the funeral of your father- you're missing a party maybe- that should be acceptable in a society where we value work at all. The idea that work is something that has to give way to every other want and desire in an individual's life- that one should have time to play and date and watch netflix and go clubbing and go on vacations and only in the time left over should one be required to work- is childish greedy nonsense. If farmers behaved that way you wouldn't have food to eat, If soldiers behaved that way- you wouldn't have a country. you need to contribute to society as much or more than you take from it to be a morally good person. If you think you have a pass to go through life without demonstrating the same commitment to your community and your country that farmers and soldiers do- you're admitting to being a morally inferior waste of space and no one should feel sorry for you. Every day we're in the world we need to work to make it better- and part of that is doing well at your work- making money- and spending that money to employ other people. This is how we fight poverty. When you refuse to create value- you are indulging in anti-social behavior. Stop being a consumer- start being a citizen.
This usually happens seniors are not able to communicate the work and implications properly, unable to boost morale of the team or unable to delegate work properly.
Law firms demand long hours, sometimes extreme hours, and to sustain in such extreme environment, itโs not just the hard work that is required, but great team management and also a clarity of what youโre working towards.
For all those folks saying - stop being entitled, or work hard
Iโm sure youโve never been in that situation where your mental health hits rock bottom and nothing in life felt worth doing. Itโs a very different zone and it can completely break you. Be thankful to your seniors they created a space where you feel like youโre learning and growing.
Make no mistake, we also worked extremely hard, jumped multiple hoops, sacrificed so many social events to secure the coveted job. Itโs not like one day we were working hard, and then the next day we just decided to stop working. What happens is - due external circumstances beyond our control we may find ourselves in such a depressing work environment, our entire will to work or will to live gets sucked out. In that graveyard, you donโt get to learn and grow, but you rot away - bit by bit everyday.
Somehow yall dont think that your life is at risk when youre out all night clubbing but when youre at the office working- suddenly you want to be home by sundown cause you live in some crazy unsafe horror movie. Get a grip. Stop being so fragile. Your fragility does not make you morally superior.
No intern in the world is being given more than they can handle- because no associate in the world will get away with blaming the intern when stuff goes wrong. They won't risk it. They are forced at the threat of their job to delegate responsibly. And internships are completely voluntary- if you dont want a law firm job- why intern? why want a law firm job if the internship is going so badly? go become a shop clerk, an uber driver or even just a litigating lawyer if you want that much control over your day. Take matters that you want when you want- surely if youre such an asset that youre carrying a whole firm on your back that should be easy work for you.
What is the assumption that youre entitled to have this very lucrative very well paying career- that 95% of the law graduates in this country are shut off from- without working for it?