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NUJS Vis teams sweep first Indian pre moot

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The moot acted as a practice session for the teams participating in the [[Willem C. Vis International Commercial Arbitration Moot, Vienna|Willem C. Vis Moot, Vienna]] and the [[Willem C. Vis (East) International Commercial Arbitration Moot, Hong Kong|Willem C. Vis (East), Hong Kong]], which are Tier 1 moots in the MPL Season 2 sponsored by Allen & Overy.

The pre moot, a first of its kind in India, was jointly organized by [[NUJS Kolkata]] and [[Nalsar Hyderabad]] last weekend. The NUJS team for Vienna consisted of Smaran Shetty, Karan Talwar, Rishabh Goenka and the NUJS team for Hong Kong had Nihal Joseph, Abhijnan Jha and Aditya Alok. Pooorvi Satija, Puneeth Nagraj from Nalsar and John Raghav, Arya Trivedi from HNLU finished semi-finalists.

The NUJS Vienna team (pictured) won a prize money of Rs 1,00,000/- which was sponsored by Bharucha & Partners, Mr. Anirudh Wadhwa and the NUJS Moot Court Society. The final round was adjudged by an arbitration panel which was presided by Veeraraghavan Inbavijayan, a member of the Chartered Institute of Arbitrators who has presided as a sole arbitrator in over 750 domestic cases and five international cases in South Asia. Successful ex-Vis mooters Shreya Parikh, Zehaan Trivedi, Deepak Raju, Shatadru, Rukmini Das and Sneha J judged the preliminary rounds.

image Ramanuj Mukherjee and Deepak Raju from NUJS along with Poorvi Satija and Shreya Parikh from Nalsar conceived and planned the organization of the pre moot in India. They intend this to be an annual affair from now on with NUJS and Nalsar alternatively hosting the event. Due to the delayed decision to organize the pre moot this year, only seven teams from across the national law universities and law colleges of the country could take part.

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Like +0 Object -0 Anonymous guest 12 Mar 11, 13:34
do we get points?
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Like +0 Object -0 Anonymous guest 12 Mar 11, 13:36
The legally india nujs love affair continues ....

Next we shall see how the scientifically designed noojie breakfast menu has decided their jessup success.

There are other law schools too you know, but what the heck, they are spurned lovers of LI

You heard it here first...
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Like +2 Object -0 sagnik 12 Mar 11, 18:46
completely agree with #2..whats this maniacal obsession with NUJS? they organize a 'practice' moot which no one knows about, judged by their own students, where a prize is given for an EXTERNAL (non nujs) speaker, and it is posted akin a news on World War III! will we have a live blogging of their intra next? you are irritating people with such uncalled for NUJS addicttion. a national level website should know what to report and where to skip a beat
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Like +0 Object -0 Anonymous guest 12 Mar 11, 19:14
@2 & 3..lol

i sometimes wonder if the site should be called legally NUJS! kian, it was a bit more than an intra, organized by NUJS and NALSAR for their internal benefits. the law student community at large didn't have a stake associated with it.
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Like +0 Object -0 kianganz 12 Mar 11, 19:29
The moot was covered because:

1. Vis is coming and this is a nice build-up story to it...

2. This is only a blog, not a news story.

3. This moot is not part of the MPL and there are no points for it.

4. When in MPL Live we interview a winning mooter how is it different from writing briefly about a moot that 7 good mooting colleges took place in to prepare themselves for one of the biggest moots in the world? How does that not warrant a story? Are IPL practice games not covered in the run up to a big match?

5. Nalsar and NUJS are the two top teams to beat in the MPL right now: of course what they do will get covered at this stage. And how they perform at Vis, if at all, could very well decide the winner of the MPL.

Best wishes,
Kian
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Like +0 Object -0 Anonymous guest 12 Mar 11, 20:50
kian for the sake of neutraity, compare the two recent headlines of legally indian on mpl. HNLU, post being victorious in a global round at one of the toughest moot court competitions in the world, wins a 'jackpot'! NUJS, after winning a 'practice' session organized and judged by their fellow 'Noojies' sweep the event. if this is not biasness, what is?
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Like +0 Object -0 Anonymous guest 12 Mar 11, 22:52
@2 - Nice nickname.
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Like +2 Object -0 Anonymous guest 12 Mar 11, 23:46
this is not about nujs. this is about the First ever Indian pre-moot. Those who have been to Vis know the importance of pre-moots and their popularity in Europe and the Americas. Even China is holding one this year. This is the first Indian effort in this direction and certainly warrants a story. You can ask Vis alumni from your own collage, if you do have a Vis tradition, though not as robust as that of NUJS
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Like +0 Object -0 Anonymous guest 12 Mar 11, 23:49
NUJS appears more in news because they do a lot more worthwhile things - IDIA, pre-moot, winning elsa, so on and so forth. NLS got covered when their students took a cola company to consumer litigation.

try doing something worthwhile and see if it gets you attention.

Legally india is sour, huh?
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Like +0 Object -0 LegalPoet 13 Mar 11, 03:43
Its a blog post, not a news item.

And it was the first ever pre-moot for Vis in India. Why shouldn't it be covered as a blog post?

Proactive colleges are bound to be covered more because of their proactivity!
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Like +0 Object -0 Anonymous guest 13 Mar 11, 03:58
AH !!!!

Wordsworth hath spoken !!!!

Nujs is the most proactive college on planet ! no one shall question that !

A pox on any further accusations of a LI NUJS love affair !
As Keats has said,

" A proactive noojie is a joy forever..."
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Like +4 Object -0 Anonymous guest 13 Mar 11, 04:06
@sagnik- This 'practice' moot which no one apparently knew about was part of the official list of pre-moots published by Mr. Eric Bergstein on the Willem C. Vis Website. http://www.cisg.law.pace.edu/cisg/moot/pre-moots.html
Further, apart from NUJS judges, there were judges from NALSAR, GNLU and NLSIU.
I think your criticism is uncalled for.
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Like +3 Object -0 Anonymous guest 13 Mar 11, 04:09
Good effort should be appreciated...

and for all those who are jealous, may god help you
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Like +0 Object -0 Anonymous guest 13 Mar 11, 05:46
The vis pre moot website reads 'NALSAR University of Law Kolkata, India', the noojiefication is complete :P
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Like +0 Object -0 Anonymous guest 13 Mar 11, 06:17
Huge typo error :P
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Like +1 Object -0 Anonymous guest 13 Mar 11, 06:57
there is nothing wrong in conducting a vis pre moot, its a great initiative. however, there is a lot of wrong in the way it was covered. hyping it to the proportion of vis itself. s.p sathe was not given as much coverage as the vis pre was.
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Like +0 Object -0 Anonymous guest 13 Mar 11, 07:35
Do not question LI or the 'proactive' people from NUJS will next file a law suit against you.
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Like +4 Object -0 Anonymous guest 13 Mar 11, 07:39
@ sagnik and others
you may think that a practice moot is not a big deal, but pre-moots in case of Vis (which does not have national rounds) are extremely helpful as they give the participants an opportunity to evaluate their performance and improve it.
further, you may want to check out http://www.cisg.law.pace.edu/cisg/moot/pre-moots.html for more info on this. and the bit on Kolkata after NALSAR on the site has been mentioned as the Pre-Moot was organized in Kolkata this time - so, there is no big deal or the least "noojification" about it.

also, the judging was organised in a manner that minimized bias. for instance, none of the NUJS teams were judged by any of the NUJS judges for the Preliminary Rounds.
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Like +0 Object -0 Anonymous guest 13 Mar 11, 11:16
noooojiieeee!! haha! rofl
this gets better and better
noojie!!
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Like +1 Object -0 Anonymous guest 13 Mar 11, 12:11
'NUJS wins NUJS pre moot'. This doesn't even need subtext to laugh at. NUJS kept the spirit of match fixing alive this world cup season:) Way to go NOOJIES!
And for those NOOBS who thought this was worthy of being reported on this site, at least take the effort of getting the name of the non noojie right: It's Arya Tripathy and not Trivedi.
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Like +0 Object -0 Anonymous guest 13 Mar 11, 12:23
@20 - Check your facts, it was not NUJS Pre moot, rather it was William C. Vis Indian Pre Moot in case you have heard of it.

Poor Person!
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Like +2 Object -0 Anonymous guest 13 Mar 11, 14:22
Yes #20 WillAm and not Willem C Vis. it was the WILLAM NOOJIE Moot. And again I shall not question Noojies. After all with all their clout in the legal media they can just take us down anytime.
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Like +0 Object -0 Anonymous guest 13 Mar 11, 14:27
And if you question you will have the proactive people slapping law suits against you. Where are you from, you lesser mortal?
A Noojie is a noojie.As Shakespeare puts it "It is a bright day that brings forth the Noojie." Or "There comes a Noojie in the affairs of men which taken at the Salt Lake leads on to fortune."
Don't question Noojies. "To be or not to be a Noojie." I would prefer going to NIFT than become a NOOJIE
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Like +2 Object -0 Anonymous guest 13 Mar 11, 14:42
#6 How come this is "biasness"? NUJS happens to be very proactive in co-curricular activities and naturally creates news worth reporting in web forums like legallyindia. I am sure if such an event happens in ur law school, Kian ll b equally happy to report it.
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Like +0 Object -0 Anonymous guest 13 Mar 11, 16:13
LI, you have taken biasness to the new level, how can you report anything and everything about Noojies. What about us, what about our college, why don;t you report about us.. we are going unheard and unseen, even when we crack a jackpot or hack a crackpot you just keep ignoring us. I am sure you have picked this habit from these so called top law firms, u have been ignoring us for no particular reason. This amounts to darker-shade-of-yellow journalism.
In the name of in the name Father-Son & Holy Spirit I command you... to stop writing about Noojies, or else we shall haunt you and all your readers again and again (PAUSE A BIT FOR DRAMATIC EFFECT..) and again....
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Like +3 Object -0 LegalPoet 13 Mar 11, 20:23
You want more of Wordsworth eh?

Here you go:

When one is proactive, the contemporaries are jealous.

Now go on...enough fodder for you guys on a Sunday.
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Like +3 Object -0 Anonymous guest 13 Mar 11, 20:23
Whetether the reporting is biased or not is not obvious but all these clearly show that there is alot of jealousy against those who are pro-active.
if all this effort at NUJS- bashing could have been better utilised, they too could have asked to be covered more positively.
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Like +3 Object -0 Anonymous guest 13 Mar 11, 21:59
Has anyone noticed on how the NUJS detesters have made this article about NUJS, rather than the Pre-Moot itself, which in fact has been a great initiative.
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Like +0 Object -0 Anonymous guest 13 Mar 11, 22:59
So many useless persons here. Don't you have anything else to do instead of jumping into these fights.

Earlier it was NLS, now NUJS.

http://www.legallyindia.com/201102081781/Law-schools/nlsiu-students-take-on-pepsi-in-consumer-tribunal

"I think it might be a big thing for NLS, Bangalore but we have been doing such acts from the time we were in our 1st years..

so i dont think it need to published n such a manner that LI has done ."


"This is just sad. Just because an article is printed about NLSIU you cannot suddenly consider it as a bias! Especially when the folks here are willing to publish similar stories from every where.

If you want to be competitive why not focus on making yourselves look better instead of trying to put other people down?

Sick. "

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NLSIU and Legally India has master servant relationship.

dare and publish it "

Go on Guys !

Next turn if of NALSAR I suppose. aahh!
or I must say name of the next show on Legally India " NALSAR and biased LI"

Keep Going!
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Like +2 Object -0 Anonymous guest 13 Mar 11, 23:02
This wasn't organised by NUJS and NALSAR for their internal benefit but for the benefit of all the teams going to Vis.

Around 8 law schools participated in this.

The idea was to give the Indian teams at Vis a good practice and get inputs of judges on their speaking skills etc.

Unlike others, good colleges have bigger agendas than pulling others down.
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Like +1 Object -0 Anonymous guest 14 Mar 11, 03:30
End the bashing folks.

We are all better than this. You have no idea how sour a picture you are drawing of your own law school, the more you *attempt* to pull any other particular law school down.

If you must, why don't you earn some coverage, and then complain about the lack of it?
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Like +4 Object -0 Anonymous guest 14 Mar 11, 03:51
The string of comments clearly shows
1. the level of immaturity the 'law school students' of this country.

2. the difference between 'top' law schools and 'lesser mortals'

3. How in the world you people got into law schools in the first place. you might as well join some college for politics and social science

I have so far been a very objective observer with regard to the articles in LI and used to laugh at the gossips and fights in the comments, it was fun. but this is just utter stupidity. If NUJS or NALSAR or NLS is good and if people are jealous it is simply because the students of these colleges pride in being part of it. And it is that sense of pride which lets them start new projects/initiatives. And a law school is a place were you not only mug up sections or take part in moots etc it is were you nurture your ideas and create better opportunities for the students and the society as a whole. All world renowned universities and colleges are known foe the passion and drive of their students. If NUJS started such an initiative in collaboration with NALSAR hats off to their vision, leadership skills in successfully organizing it.

And if students from other law schools have issues with that, well either you guys mature over night or face the truth that it is the difference between your college and the top law schools as much as the difference between an IITian and other Engg colleges or IIM's from other management colleges.

So please GROW UP!
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Like +0 Object -0 Anonymous guest 16 Mar 11, 05:12
@17: Right
When NUJS has been ranked high, they say they are proactive.
when they are ranked lower than NLS & NALSAR, they say Outlook is baised...
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Like +1 Object -0 Anonymous guest 17 Mar 11, 02:44
Great initiative by NUJS.............and for other people who sound much and do less........ NALSAR HNLU participated........many others also did but i am oblivious about them.....so stop cribbing about the fact that NUJS have'nt let others know about it.
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Like +0 Object -0 Anonymous guest 18 Mar 11, 05:41
Nujs students should get some life.....man, points are not everything that matter....wake up to ur inner call,points on LI would not make a college "the best college" or the worst college...
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Like +0 Object -0 Anonymous guest 18 Mar 11, 05:59
@pinghal - Dude. No where it has been that NUJS is the best college. How did u come to that conclusion. Get some life man!
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Like +0 Object -0 Anonymous guest 20 Mar 11, 07:04
The next time I organize a pre-moot, especially in India where there are none, I can mail Prof. Bergsten and it will be included in the "official" list of pre-moots. Does that legitimize the moot? I don't think so.
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Like +1 Object -0 Anonymous guest 20 Mar 11, 09:11
@ "the next time i organize a pre-moot"... oh, so you have been in the habit of organizing pre-moots? how come none of us knew about it.

I was involved in the organization of the pre-moot. I admit, it was no big deal organizing it. But the idea is, at a time when no one had organized one before us; at a time when three different entities in India considered it and shelved the plan; we were the only ones ready to take the plunge. With just two weeks in hand, we managed 8 teams, judges (almost all of whom have been to at least round of 32 in Vienna; some had honourable mentions, quarter-finals, etc.), and a sponsorship enough to give Rs. 1 lakh to the winning team. It may not be a big deal for eminent persons like you and your esteemed college. But for us lesser mortals, this is indeed commendable and a reason to celebrate.

Please let us know when you decide to stop cribbing and organize something productive. We will be glad to participate or render any support and put our hands together for you if the event is a success
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Like +1 Object -0 Anonymous guest 20 Mar 11, 09:14
Kian, #35's use of the name Pinghal is a troll. This is an attempt to steal the name 'Pingal', the name of 'Pingal Khan' a reputed mooter from NUJS. Earlier it was Mithun Thanks, now Pingal Khan. When these people have something to say, why dont they use their own names? If they hate their names, LI provides the option of anonymity. Why do they have to steal the names of respectable NUJS alumni to engage in NUJS bashing?
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Like +0 Object -0 Anonymous guest 22 Mar 11, 10:43
for funsies!
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Like +0 Object -0 Anonymous guest 23 Mar 11, 16:15
Well, I am surprised at the backlash against #37 comment. It looks to me that you're the one cribbing.

If you read, and perhaps more importantly, understand #37, there is nothing in that comment that sounds like cribbing to me. The comment responds to #12 by saying that "legitimacy" cannot be conferred by inclusion in the list of pre-moots by Prof. Bergsten, as that list is neither exhaustive nor authoritative.

Of course, you had a lot of thoughts that were pent up inside you, and so took this opportunity to vent them uncontrollably. However, I believe that your "comment" was far from being "productive".

As for the pre-moot itself, I am quite happy with the idea. I was a speaker at the 2008 Vienna moot (and yes, Round of 32 hon. mention which you seem to attach great importance to) and I think India needs to have more premoots if we are to improve our performance. My only concern is with the legitimacy of the pre-moot, as I think the organizing school (or the school where the judges come from) should not participate in the event, let alone win it and pocket the sponsorship money.

Of course, you could say "but the judges are impartial and beyond reproach". But then my friend, the question is not whether there is real or actual bias, but whether there is "perceived bias." And really, consider this: Pre moot organized by NUJS, judged mainly by nujs alums etc., nujs wins, nujs gets sponsorship. Certainly a reasonable case for "perceived bias"

For some "productive" perspective in the context of international arbitration see Gus Van Harten, Perceived Bias in Investment Treaty Arbitration in The Backlash Against Investment Arbitration: Perceptions and Reality 433 (Michael Waibel et al. eds., 2010).

Don't "crib", be "productive" : )
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Like +1 Object -0 PRANAVNUJS 24 Mar 11, 11:35
hehehe....I feel privileged to be able to crack CLAT and make it to NUJS after looking at the line of "Jealous People"
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Like +0 Object -0 Anonymous guest 24 Mar 11, 23:05
Who's jealous buddy? Some "productive" criticism against perceived unfairness seems far from "jealous" to me. Learn to respond to criticism in a reasoned way, or else, at least refrain from making churlish comments.
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Like +2 Object -0 Anonymous guest 01 Apr 11, 08:21
The NUJS Vis East Team won the Shanghai Pre-moot.
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Like +2 Object -0 Anonymous guest 01 Apr 11, 09:10
@41 - I think perceived bias theory should end here " NUJS has won Shanghai Pre-Moot too"
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Like +1 Object -0 Anonymous guest 03 Apr 11, 23:31
Let me give you a few facts to help you with your 'bias' argument.
In the preliminary round, none of the NUJS teams was judged by an NUJS student or alumnus, nor was the NAlSAR team judged by a NALSAR student.
In the semi-final round, due to paucity of judges, the semi-final between NALSAR and NUJS - V was judged by one NALSAR student and one NUJS student and one neutral judge.
The semi-final between HNLU and NUJS - East had one NUJS student on the bench, after confirming that the HNLU team had no objection to the same. Moreover, the result showed that the sole NUJS arbitrator dissented in favour of the HNLU team and the neutral arbitrators gave it in favour of NUJS.
I hope this helps with your 'bias' argument.
Also, if any of the critics on this post want an unbiased Indian pre-moot next year, please volunteer to organise or judge (if you are qualified) or both.
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Like +0 Object -0 Anonymous guest 04 Apr 11, 06:11
NUJS won the Shanghai pre-moot because the commies in West Bengal influenced the commies in China to declare NUJS the winner. Otherwise, one of the judges had some connection (details of which I will work out when I have the time) with a Mr. Slowhand, a member of the NUJS team who is said to be well connected. It could also be the case that NUJS used seduction, bribery or other unfair means....

HOW ELSE CAN AN NUJS TEAM (OR ANY TEAM OTHER THAN MY OWN ESTEEMED COLLEGE) WIN ANY MOOT?
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Like +2 Object -0 Anonymous guest 04 Apr 11, 06:15
The logic of the organizing college not participating works for a moot, not for a pre-moot. What incentive does a college have to organize a pre-moot other than the opportunity for its own team to practice against other teams?
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Like +0 Object -0 Anonymous guest 04 Apr 11, 07:42
@ 47 - Nice to see you again man! you are the same one na who propounded the theory of "Black Magic"? Now which colour have you chosen for the next theory
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Like +2 Object -0 Anonymous guest 04 Apr 11, 08:44
dude, i wrote #47. i am a noojie and am pissed off with all the conspiracy theories against nujs. this was supposed to be a sarcastic remark... please develop a sense of humour.
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