The RW is mocking this video. Instead of paying attention to such trolls, I will strengthen what Rahul ji said using the example of CLAT. In fact, it would have been better for Rahul ji to use the CLAT as an example than the IIT-JEE.
Now, let's look at CLAT:
1. The paper tests your knowledge of English vocabulary and grammar
2. The paper tests your ability to solve logical puzzles
3. The paper tests your ability to solve maths problems
4. The paper tests your GK .
Re point 1, good knowledge of English vocabulary and grammar is not a prerequisite to success in the legal profession. The majority of litigation takes place in Hindi in the trial court. In the HC and SC, although proceedings take place in English, you need a simple vocabulary and grammar to make your point in 99% of the cases. Thus, a proper CLAT exam would test your knowledge of Hindi vocabulary and grammar. If this happens, Dalits will actually top, because they go to Hindi-medium schools while Upper Castes go to English-medium schools and are weak in Hindi. The present CLAT has an Upper Caste bias because it assumes students want to argue in fancy English in courts. Such elite students don't belong in NLUs. Such elite students can instead go to Jindal Law School and go to US or UK after that.
Re point 2, solving logical puzzles again has zero relevance for studying law. The majority of legal matters are simple matters where no logical problem solving is needed: bail applications, registration of marriage, registration of property etc. This section should be removed from CLAT. Dalits suffer in CLAT because in their schools they are not taught logical reasoning.
Re point 3, same thing: Algebra or Geometry have zero relevance in law and should be scrapped. If you want to test addition or division skills (which may sometimes be used in legal matters) it is still pointless because we use a calculator in real life. So Dalits suffer in CLAT because you ask useless maths questions.
Re GK, this is the most useless section. It is also filled with questions for elite class people. Why should a law student know the name of the President of France? The CLAT paper should instead ask students about customs in villages, or farming practices.These are more relevant. If you do this, then Dalits will top, because Upper Caste city boys do not know such things.
Hence, to reinforce Rahul ji's point, the concept of merit is flawed. If you remove English, maths, logical reasoning and elite GK from CLAT, and instead test Hindi and non-elite GK relevant to India, then Dalits will top CLAT and Upper Castes will fail.
Please don't become a lawyer. This reasoning is so flawed on so many levels. Not going to waste my time explaining but would only suggest to not have such polarizing opinions. Nothing is just black or white.
The fact that you want to disregard basic quant aptitude questions that is not just restricted to solving conventional math questions but developing an analytical skill in other fields of law clearly shows your myopic viewpoint of this entrance. As someone rightfully said, your reasons are so condescending that it is not even worth explaining.
But let me just try it here, 2+2 is 4, this remains the same regardless of who sets the paper, now if someone who has the basic idea of addition would solve this on merits and anyone who doesn't know addition will fail, therefore this whole argument of setting a certain syllabus favourable to a section only is utter nonsense. There is a reason why Mr Gandhi is not ready to handle the mainstream policy making yet.
This post sounds like it was written by a UC person. All of us are not Hindi speakers. Babasaheb wrote in English. In fact as Kancha Iliah says, it is the upper castes who have been opposed to Dalits and Bahujans learning English because that will give us freedom.
Congrats. This is the stupidest thing on the internet today. You just want Dalits to suffer under your bigotry of low expectations.
CLAT is an APTITUDE test. Do you know what aptitude is ?
How are students supposed to read James Mill and Jeremy Bentham and Foucault and Catherine Mackinnon and Adam smith and Ronald Dworkin without the baseline English language skills ? No one is being tested on their knowledge of Shakespeare - they’re being tested on basic reading comprehension in English because the medium of instruction is English. If these are national universities in any sense it’s that Hindi is not the language of teaching. There are many universities in this country where Hindi is the language of instruction - you don’t have to go to an NLU and they don’t have to accept you if you will not be able to do the coursework. If we do accept that we need to account for class by reducing English use - can nls set it’s paper in Kannada ? Or nalsar in Telugu ? Or nujs in Bengali ? You wouldn’t like that very much would you ?
How is logic relevant ? Logic and
Argument is the basis of all the work lawyers do. Many of the tasks you list can be done by clerks. People don’t just appear for bail hearings and sit around- they actually have to argue with someone else- the prosecutor. Are logic puzzles really that hard to solve ? Do you really think Brahmins and baniyas are born with superior logic brains ? They don’t teach logical reasoning in any school as any sort of subject or module. People learn logical reasoning - which is basically just puzzle solving - for exams by practicing them. Dalit students are as capable of that task as anyone else.
How is general knowledge important ? Sorry to say but they have newspapers across the country in almost every language imaginable - it’s not difficult to have decent general knowledge. How do we begin to start teaching political science if the kid doesn’t know if we have presidential or parliamentary government and doesn’t know what an election commission is or how many states there are ? You assuming Dalit people don’t know this because they’re just inferior is the bigoted thing.
Maths ? Algebra ? Geometry ? What are you on about ? There’s no higher order math that’s tested in this exam - it’s a very basic level of math problem solving - in my year we were asked what the square root of 400 was. Charitably one could say you’re being tested on 6th standard maths when you’re in tenth standard- if you need to whip out a calculator every time you have to give change or do percentages in the real world or understand cost price and selling price - you might just not be cut out for university level education- or just the outside world in general. Math again - is a universal language - and it’s possible for poor kids to learn it just as well as rich kids. And it’s actually just testing basic logic. The math section is actually put in there to counter balance for students who might not be strong in English.
None of this is problematic unless you believe firmly in the fixed inferiority of Dalits which I do not.
Rahul Gandhi and the Americans he’s aping are looking at disparities in educational outcomes and misdiagnosing the problem. It’s not that the test is too difficult or foreign - if anything it’s too easy and forgiving- the problem is that if you go to a bad school for ten years - you will not be able to do well on any test at the end. You need better schools. The problem isn’t caste - it’s class. Rich people regardless of caste can send their kids to private schools and can sit and teach them how to do homework after school and can hire tutors. Poor people cannot do that.
Why don’t UC folks just go to Jindal ? It might surprise you but most people at Jindal aren’t actually Brahmins. They’re rich kids who couldn’t crack exams. There are many poor UC kids and they deserve to go to state institutions that offer lower fees just as much as anyone else. I couldn’t have afforded Jgls - and for many of us from early CLAT batches - it was the same - we came from poor to middle class families all of us - even the UC kids. What unified us was that we studied really hard and really wanted to improve our circumstances and we begged for better teachers and we hadn’t given up on education as a project.
If you’re gonna argue that UC kids should go to private universities - you’re not making any claim about the examination being unfair - you’re making a claim that NLUs belong more to Dalits than to people from any other caste. And in my mind - that’s no better than bigots who would tell you there should be no reservations at all and that Dalits shouldn’t be allowed into NLUs. It’s the same bigotry.
What is your solution ? Do away with the paper as it is and ask questions in Hindi - so no South Indian or north easterner or even Bengali or Goan or Gujarati or punjabi can answer the paper. Just your Hindi belt kids. And have non elite GK ? Like what ? Which exact question is non elite enough for you ? Farming practices ? Are you outside of your mind ? Customs ? What about Dalits who wouldn’t know some customs or who have been denied farming as occupation ? Customs vary wildly by community - which exact customs should we test on ? Which exact village ? It’s a big country. Farming practices vary so wildly across the country it takes some scientists years to figure out all the intricacies- so we need questions that students across the country can answer - what questions ? You cannot actually answer that substantively - because when you do - you’ll set a standard that someone will fall under. Besides - no one goes to law school to become a farmer or to become a priest - they go to law school to become lawyers. You should know the name of the president of France by reading dainik Bhaskar every day or even semi regularly- this is not a question that prizes caste based knowledge. This literally is general knowledge. Your plan doesn’t make sure Dalits pass and UCs fail - your plan just makes sure that Hindi speakers do well and the rest of us are shut out.
If students pass this strange exam you’ve created and all nlus are now state institutions teaching in regional languages - then you can bet they will not be getting placements in the numbers they are now. The law firms will be the first to leave - and the in house practices and government organisations will follow suit. And there will be a stigma attached to students that pass out from there because they’ve gotten in via a reduced standard and that will lead to reduced rigor in education. None of those kids will be able to overcome their circumstances at all. If you want to be separatist - you will have to think carefully about what you may gain or lose.
American universities bought into the nonsense that the SATs were racist and did away with them - you know what happened ? Dumber and dumber students were admitted. Rich students whose parents could afford for them to be doing several extra curriculars we’re admitted - fewer meritorious students from poor backgrounds - immigrants from china or India - could be admitted because they could only take tests and top them - they couldn’t be the head of a lacrosse team. Now those universities have realised that doing away with SATs led to a lack of diversity and are course correcting by introducing the test again.
Can I just say that I thought the OP's post was satire/sarcasm/trolling. I really hope for your sake that it wasn't, or you really would have wasted your time putting the effort you have into debunking it so well.
how exactly are 'farming practices' more relevant than GK questions about polity and international affairs? I agree that CLAT should not only be conducted in english, as english itself is not a measure of merit. But the rest of your argument seems to be to just dumb down the examination instead of tackling the root cause for discrimination which is unequal qualitt of education. Logical reason, especially verbal logical reasoning which is what is tested in CLAT, is incredibly relevant to the legal profession. While I agree that Dalit students face a great disadvantage regardless of their merit, the solution isnt to make the exam simpler or arbitrary and irrelevant to the legal profession as you are suggesting. We should increase the quality of education received by the poor and lower castes and conduct the test in all major Indian languages.
The RW is mocking this video. Instead of paying attention to such trolls, I will strengthen what Rahul ji said using the example of CLAT. In fact, it would have been better for Rahul ji to use the CLAT as an example than the IIT-JEE.
Now, let's look at CLAT:
1. The paper tests your knowledge of English vocabulary and grammar
2. The paper tests your ability to solve logical puzzles
3. The paper tests your ability to solve maths problems
4. The paper tests your GK .
Re point 1, good knowledge of English vocabulary and grammar is not a prerequisite to success in the legal profession. The majority of litigation takes place in Hindi in the trial court. In the HC and SC, although proceedings take place in English, you need a simple vocabulary and grammar to make your point in 99% of the cases. Thus, a proper CLAT exam would test your knowledge of Hindi vocabulary and grammar. If this happens, Dalits will actually top, because they go to Hindi-medium schools while Upper Castes go to English-medium schools and are weak in Hindi. The present CLAT has an Upper Caste bias because it assumes students want to argue in fancy English in courts. Such elite students don't belong in NLUs. Such elite students can instead go to Jindal Law School and go to US or UK after that.
Re point 2, solving logical puzzles again has zero relevance for studying law. The majority of legal matters are simple matters where no logical problem solving is needed: bail applications, registration of marriage, registration of property etc. This section should be removed from CLAT. Dalits suffer in CLAT because in their schools they are not taught logical reasoning.
Re point 3, same thing: Algebra or Geometry have zero relevance in law and should be scrapped. If you want to test addition or division skills (which may sometimes be used in legal matters) it is still pointless because we use a calculator in real life. So Dalits suffer in CLAT because you ask useless maths questions.
Re GK, this is the most useless section. It is also filled with questions for elite class people. Why should a law student know the name of the President of France? The CLAT paper should instead ask students about customs in villages, or farming practices.These are more relevant. If you do this, then Dalits will top, because Upper Caste city boys do not know such things.
Hence, to reinforce Rahul ji's point, the concept of merit is flawed. If you remove English, maths, logical reasoning and elite GK from CLAT, and instead test Hindi and non-elite GK relevant to India, then Dalits will top CLAT and Upper Castes will fail.
But let me just try it here, 2+2 is 4, this remains the same regardless of who sets the paper, now if someone who has the basic idea of addition would solve this on merits and anyone who doesn't know addition will fail, therefore this whole argument of setting a certain syllabus favourable to a section only is utter nonsense. There is a reason why Mr Gandhi is not ready to handle the mainstream policy making yet.
I cannot comprehend because I have seen so many bad arguments in internet that this looks to be real
CLAT is an APTITUDE test. Do you know what aptitude is ?
How are students supposed to read James Mill and Jeremy Bentham and Foucault and Catherine Mackinnon and Adam smith and Ronald Dworkin without the baseline English language skills ? No one is being tested on their knowledge of Shakespeare - they’re being tested on basic reading comprehension in English because the medium of instruction is English. If these are national universities in any sense it’s that Hindi is not the language of teaching. There are many universities in this country where Hindi is the language of instruction - you don’t have to go to an NLU and they don’t have to accept you if you will not be able to do the coursework. If we do accept that we need to account for class by reducing English use - can nls set it’s paper in Kannada ? Or nalsar in Telugu ? Or nujs in Bengali ? You wouldn’t like that very much would you ?
How is logic relevant ? Logic and
Argument is the basis of all the work lawyers do. Many of the tasks you list can be done by clerks. People don’t just appear for bail hearings and sit around- they actually have to argue with someone else- the prosecutor. Are logic puzzles really that hard to solve ? Do you really think Brahmins and baniyas are born with superior logic brains ? They don’t teach logical reasoning in any school as any sort of subject or module. People learn logical reasoning - which is basically just puzzle solving - for exams by practicing them. Dalit students are as capable of that task as anyone else.
How is general knowledge important ? Sorry to say but they have newspapers across the country in almost every language imaginable - it’s not difficult to have decent general knowledge. How do we begin to start teaching political science if the kid doesn’t know if we have presidential or parliamentary government and doesn’t know what an election commission is or how many states there are ? You assuming Dalit people don’t know this because they’re just inferior is the bigoted thing.
Maths ? Algebra ? Geometry ? What are you on about ? There’s no higher order math that’s tested in this exam - it’s a very basic level of math problem solving - in my year we were asked what the square root of 400 was. Charitably one could say you’re being tested on 6th standard maths when you’re in tenth standard- if you need to whip out a calculator every time you have to give change or do percentages in the real world or understand cost price and selling price - you might just not be cut out for university level education- or just the outside world in general. Math again - is a universal language - and it’s possible for poor kids to learn it just as well as rich kids. And it’s actually just testing basic logic. The math section is actually put in there to counter balance for students who might not be strong in English.
None of this is problematic unless you believe firmly in the fixed inferiority of Dalits which I do not.
Rahul Gandhi and the Americans he’s aping are looking at disparities in educational outcomes and misdiagnosing the problem. It’s not that the test is too difficult or foreign - if anything it’s too easy and forgiving- the problem is that if you go to a bad school for ten years - you will not be able to do well on any test at the end. You need better schools. The problem isn’t caste - it’s class. Rich people regardless of caste can send their kids to private schools and can sit and teach them how to do homework after school and can hire tutors. Poor people cannot do that.
Why don’t UC folks just go to Jindal ? It might surprise you but most people at Jindal aren’t actually Brahmins. They’re rich kids who couldn’t crack exams. There are many poor UC kids and they deserve to go to state institutions that offer lower fees just as much as anyone else. I couldn’t have afforded Jgls - and for many of us from early CLAT batches - it was the same - we came from poor to middle class families all of us - even the UC kids. What unified us was that we studied really hard and really wanted to improve our circumstances and we begged for better teachers and we hadn’t given up on education as a project.
If you’re gonna argue that UC kids should go to private universities - you’re not making any claim about the examination being unfair - you’re making a claim that NLUs belong more to Dalits than to people from any other caste. And in my mind - that’s no better than bigots who would tell you there should be no reservations at all and that Dalits shouldn’t be allowed into NLUs. It’s the same bigotry.
What is your solution ? Do away with the paper as it is and ask questions in Hindi - so no South Indian or north easterner or even Bengali or Goan or Gujarati or punjabi can answer the paper. Just your Hindi belt kids. And have non elite GK ? Like what ? Which exact question is non elite enough for you ? Farming practices ? Are you outside of your mind ? Customs ? What about Dalits who wouldn’t know some customs or who have been denied farming as occupation ? Customs vary wildly by community - which exact customs should we test on ? Which exact village ? It’s a big country. Farming practices vary so wildly across the country it takes some scientists years to figure out all the intricacies- so we need questions that students across the country can answer - what questions ? You cannot actually answer that substantively - because when you do - you’ll set a standard that someone will fall under. Besides - no one goes to law school to become a farmer or to become a priest - they go to law school to become lawyers. You should know the name of the president of France by reading dainik Bhaskar every day or even semi regularly- this is not a question that prizes caste based knowledge. This literally is general knowledge. Your plan doesn’t make sure Dalits pass and UCs fail - your plan just makes sure that Hindi speakers do well and the rest of us are shut out.
If students pass this strange exam you’ve created and all nlus are now state institutions teaching in regional languages - then you can bet they will not be getting placements in the numbers they are now. The law firms will be the first to leave - and the in house practices and government organisations will follow suit. And there will be a stigma attached to students that pass out from there because they’ve gotten in via a reduced standard and that will lead to reduced rigor in education. None of those kids will be able to overcome their circumstances at all. If you want to be separatist - you will have to think carefully about what you may gain or lose.
American universities bought into the nonsense that the SATs were racist and did away with them - you know what happened ? Dumber and dumber students were admitted. Rich students whose parents could afford for them to be doing several extra curriculars we’re admitted - fewer meritorious students from poor backgrounds - immigrants from china or India - could be admitted because they could only take tests and top them - they couldn’t be the head of a lacrosse team. Now those universities have realised that doing away with SATs led to a lack of diversity and are course correcting by introducing the test again.
Rahul don't know which was first IIT or how many there in the country in which cities?
Readers here should not behave like Rahul.