Lately came across a profile of an NLU Ranker who had left a Tier 1 firm in just 3 months to later join a Tier 2 firm. He/she did not respond to me. What makes me wonder is are tier 1 firm so toxic???
I know a guy from ▮▮▮ who was also one of the batch toppers from a recent passout batch, he was allegedly fired by a T1 firm for sexual harrasment allegations.
Get your facts right. It definitely wasn't sexual harassment. He was a well known misogynist and believed that men are 'superior', women must be submissive, used to rant on social media about girls are "b word" etc. He was allegedly fired for refusing to take orders from a female SA/Partner and not cooperating with other females at the firm coz they cant be treated as equals.
How come this person be a topper hahaha bullshit just memorized like shit and spit it in exams. Not many are interested in that. He couldn't top our college though he was here as well. Stat away from this weirdo
I guess you are talking about NLU Topper who was Rank 1 and had 6-or-7 golds and joined ▮▮▮.
I know him personally- we talk like once bimonthly- Let me tell you about him.
He is a simple guy, yes socially he is akward, but he is really a gem.
He was preparing for civil.
Financial constraints and anxiety made him quit that and he joined ▮▮▮ in ▮▮▮.
I had a conversation with him where he told me about his situation at ▮▮▮ and the things he told me, I was convinced that he should leave.
He served his notice in 2 months and left during Christmas break. He was not terminated for sure- infact he was shouted at for serving his notice.
He took break for 3-4 months, and last month I got to know that he has joined a Tier 2 firm in Bombay in ▮▮▮. He told me he is happy there at less salary.
It takes a lot of blood and sweat to get into an NLU and then to toil for five years and be a topper there.
Hardwork is something they are great at, if he/she has left Tier 1 and joined some other firm and is staying there, that shows how toxic that tier 1 was!
I guess you are talking about ▮▮▮ from NLU ▮▮▮. He is a great person, he is one of the most helpful seniors I had in college. It’s hard to retain a diamond like him. The place where he worked was pathetic- it questioned his existence - the way in which he was treated. I’m glad he left that place-had the guts to slam the notice in face of the arrogant people and leave such pathetic place in just 3 months. He is in Mumbai in a firm and he is enjoying his life and corporate career.
It’s exemplary to kick a tier 1 and join a lower ranked place. He/she with his/her expertise will surely make that place bigger than tier 1. Rankings are a myth, it’s people who work for places and make it top.
It is indeed a matter of guts to leave Tier 1 and join Tier 2. Not everyone has that much guts to chose peace over money at the cost of toxic place like these.
I have financial obligations, else would have left this pathetic place. Everyday I wake up at 8, reach office at 10, come back at 1/2 Am and sleep- this is my schedule- even on weekends. I may be pulling 35-40LPA- but have already got white hair at 28! This is what a toxic place does to you.
Once your financial debt or obligation gets over, please do leave the Tier1.Nothing is worth losing your sleep,peace or hair at such a young age .To answer OP, yes there are so many countless cases where Associates were and are are walking out of Tier 1 (many even in insecure Covid time)without any opportunity at all .When they join aTier 2 that even agree to a pay cut,but they don't go back to a Tier 1.Thats how horrible Tier 1 law firms can be.
They are already praised by their college, why are you praising here? Working is different from studying !! You praising is irrelevant here because he was thrown out due to his misogynist behaviour and now he is covering up by mill of run excuse that "firm was toxic" you were those toxic person who make the work place toxic. All you praising his college shit accolades but you'd hate the same behaviour if he was to rise up to rank in coming 10 years. I am happy that ▮▮▮ threw the toxicity person out of their workplace
Not all teams are bad. It boils down to how your partners are. Let me share an instance with you. I was a PA at a firm which had spilt itself from a Tier 1 firm and is based in Noida. Now I’m into independent practice though.
There we had three disputes team.
One dispute team had all stressed out associates. The team had all A0s and a partner and a senior partner (Team EM). The team saw highest attrition rate with five to six associates on notice at any point of time.
On the other hand there were other two teams, in disputes which had zero attrition rate. In those team, an intern would work for months and for a time more than an associate in Team EM.
What I mean to say is that, it’s all a matter of luck, if you get a good boss, you are sorted, if not then you go for a toss.
You are right.All these other comments diluting someone's achievement as NLU topper is to save the stupid ass of that toxic Tier1 and to stop the reality from coming out about how toxic politics of Tier1s don't care for merit.
some partners are very good at Tier 1, and nurture and polish the talent of a hardworking associate (despite of rank)- majority of partners are toxic and lose the diamond - and are busy to shine the gold of arrogance.
tier 2 and 3 are great place to learn and get exposure/ my 5 years of stint at a Delhi based dispute chamber has
Well that’s actually true. People in tier 1 are generally trash (there are good people also but that’s exception). Work environment are too bad compared to tier 2/3. Tier 2/3 firms focus on your growth and learning also which tier 1s don’t care about. many of my friends who joined the tier 1 with me have already left and are having good time after joining tier 2 firms.
My Bombay office is shit. Want to leave this asap and go to some tier 2 where I get to learn something. People in my team are shit and treat you like shit.
It is very easy for you to sit here and pass judgment. If you want facts take it:
1. He left ▮▮▮ on his own accord because it didn’t get up, telling reasons here would not be professional - so it’s better to just be grateful to ▮▮▮; and then there was some personal tragedy for which he went back home.
How would a toxic person like you know what happened.
It’s easy to sit upon and judge others behavior.
Everybody has flaws so does he. But then there are cowards like you, who anonymously vent out grudge. Without knowing facts!!!
Honest opinion for a law school student
Many tier 1 fires associates who are poor performance and burden on them such as SAM, Saraf and Partners.
Ideally who would like to keep a burden on their team and pay for poor performances
There was also a NLU ▮▮▮ Topper who left (yes served his notice) and left a team in three months.
You never know.
Some one who has worked hard for five years won’t shy away from hardwork in a law firm.
Don’t vent your personal grudge here
Here are some facts:
1. It takes immense hardwork to top on NLU. Probably you won’t know that.
2. If some one chooses law firm, he/she won’t run away from hardwork- but may run away from toxicity.
3. SnP, SCAM have high attrition rate - thanks to the toxic people there.
That person was quite infamous in ▮▮▮ as well.
I guess you are talking about NLU Topper who was Rank 1 and had 6-or-7 golds and joined ▮▮▮.
I know him personally- we talk like once bimonthly- Let me tell you about him.
He is a simple guy, yes socially he is akward, but he is really a gem.
He was preparing for civil.
Financial constraints and anxiety made him quit that and he joined ▮▮▮ in ▮▮▮.
I had a conversation with him where he told me about his situation at ▮▮▮ and the things he told me, I was convinced that he should leave.
He served his notice in 2 months and left during Christmas break. He was not terminated for sure- infact he was shouted at for serving his notice.
He took break for 3-4 months, and last month I got to know that he has joined a Tier 2 firm in Bombay in ▮▮▮. He told me he is happy there at less salary.
I am glad to know that he has finally settled.
Hardwork is something they are great at, if he/she has left Tier 1 and joined some other firm and is staying there, that shows how toxic that tier 1 was!
Powerful people make places powerful.
It’s exemplary to kick a tier 1 and join a lower ranked place. He/she with his/her expertise will surely make that place bigger than tier 1. Rankings are a myth, it’s people who work for places and make it top.
I have financial obligations, else would have left this pathetic place. Everyday I wake up at 8, reach office at 10, come back at 1/2 Am and sleep- this is my schedule- even on weekends. I may be pulling 35-40LPA- but have already got white hair at 28! This is what a toxic place does to you.
I salute the person here!
What sort of reasoning this is- based on one side allegation, we pass judgement.
There we had three disputes team.
One dispute team had all stressed out associates. The team had all A0s and a partner and a senior partner (Team EM). The team saw highest attrition rate with five to six associates on notice at any point of time.
On the other hand there were other two teams, in disputes which had zero attrition rate. In those team, an intern would work for months and for a time more than an associate in Team EM.
What I mean to say is that, it’s all a matter of luck, if you get a good boss, you are sorted, if not then you go for a toss.
tier 2 and 3 are great place to learn and get exposure/ my 5 years of stint at a Delhi based dispute chamber has
😂😂😂😂You seem to hold grudges against him.
That’s good to see.
Toxic behaviour of the partners, yes!
1. He left ▮▮▮ on his own accord because it didn’t get up, telling reasons here would not be professional - so it’s better to just be grateful to ▮▮▮; and then there was some personal tragedy for which he went back home.
How would a toxic person like you know what happened.
It’s easy to sit upon and judge others behavior.
Everybody has flaws so does he. But then there are cowards like you, who anonymously vent out grudge. Without knowing facts!!!