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Age & tradition continue to trump (generally)Age & tradition continue to trump (generally) Nuals Kochi has dropped behind RMLNLU Lucknow and CNLU Patna in the preferences of Common Law Admissions Test (CLAT) takers, as the seven oldest national law schools pecking order remained unchanged.

UPDATE 12 JUNE 2013: The below analysis is partly incorrect after the CLAT committee has released revised CLAT preferences after an apparent computer error. Please click here for the partially updated rankings.

Triumvirate

Legally India’s Super 30 score, which has been calculated the last three years by averaging the all India ranks of the 30 top CLAT scorers choosing each college in the general list, revealed that NLSIU Bangalore, Nalsar Hyderabad and NUJS Kolkata remained the three most popular colleges by a wide margin.

The top 60 scorers in the CLAT almost all chose NLSIU Bangalore as their first preference. However, two CLAT takers ranked 30th rank and 51st, whose domicile was stated as Andhra Pradesh, chose Nalsar Hyderabad. Also bucking the NLSIU first pick trend were the 40th rank, who opted for Nalsar, and 49th, who selected NUJS Kolkata.

Nalsar Hyderabad dominated the preferences from 61st rank, except for three within the Nalsar cut-off choosing NUJS (71, 87 and 92), one Madhya Pradesh resident selecting NLIU Bhopal (79), and the 88th rank going for NLU Jodhpur.

Chasing pack

NLIU Bhopal, founded in 1997, again ranked ahead of 2001-founded NLU Jodhpur in top CLAT performers’ preferences, with an average rank of 169 amongst the ‘top’ 30 students selecting Bhopal.

The average top 30 rank at NLU Jodhpur was 217, while GNLU Gandhinagar and HNLU Raipur, both founded in 2003, came in sixth and seventh.

Movement

Nuals Kochi, which was founded in 2005, was the worst performer and dropped significantly in the rankings this year, having held eighth place in preferences last year, and ninth in 2011.

It was usurped by RMLNLU Lucknow and CNLU Patna in the rankings – the latter making a remarkable leap in preferences from second-to-last place in 2012 to ninth, also climbing ahead of the 11th-most preferred college RGNUL Patiala.

The remaining preferences between the youngest CLAT colleges – NLU Orissa and NLUJA Assam and NUSRL Ranchi, all founded between 2009 and 2010 - remained virtually unchanged.

Read 2012 Super 30 CLAT analysis

2013 CLAT preferences by Super 30 rank (average rank of top 30 admissions to each college)

  2013 Super 30 preference 2012 Super 30 pref 2013 Super 30 score 2013 Highest general list rank ‘13 Lowest general list rank ‘13 Cut-off mark 2012 Highest rank ‘12 Lowest rank ‘12 Cut-off ‘12 Super 30 score ‘12 General list places 2011 Super 30 pref Founded
NLSIU Bangalore 1 1 15.5 1 59 140.5 1 58 145 16.6 55 1 1987
Nalsar Hyderabad 2 2 71.7 30 104 tbc 11 102 142 70.2 41 2 1998
NUJS Kolkata 3 3 120.7 49 223 130.75 20 215 138 116.5 78 3 1999
NLIU Bhopal 4 4 169.1 79 245 129.75 103 273 136 185.2 33 4 1997
NLU Jodhpur 5 5 216.6 88 318 127 78 312 135 198.2 75 5 2001
GNLU Gandhinagar 6 6 321.9 196 429 123.75 219 455 132 326.4 78 6 2003
HNLU Raipur 7 7 400.1 322 529 116.75 270 528 131 382.5 60 7 2003
RMLNLU Lucknow 8 9 427.8 238 577 120.5 329 595 130 464.2 64 8 2006
CNLU Patna 9 12 545.5 303 759 116.75 313 797 128 694 58 11 2006
Nuals Kochi 10 8 553.5 201 763 116.75 190 638 130 439.7 41 9 2005
RGNUL Patiala 11 10 586.5 493 698 118 208 692 129 536.9 71 10 2006
NLUO Orissa 12 11 623.3 277 863 115.5 323 816 128 595.2 78 n/a 2009
NLUJA Assam 13 14 790.1 667 833 115.75 408 857 127 800.6 30 n/a 2009
NUSRL Ranchi 14 13 797.7 345 789 116.5 490 839 127 775.4 24 n/a 2010

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Recommend! +0 Objection! -0 pi 2013-06-03 15:44
good comparative table, however one small grouse, the 2013 preference column should have been in continuous order rather than being disruptive (the 2012 column could be non continuous)
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Recommend! +0 Objection! -0 kianganz 2013-06-03 15:51
Thanks, good point - fixed (I think, if I understand correctly)...
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Recommend! +0 Objection! -0 Danger zone 2013-06-04 11:05
Kian, this ranking business is tricky and a danger zone. Tread carefully.
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Recommend! +6 Objection! -5 - 2013-06-03 16:12  controversial
In terms of lowest general list rank, the ranking would be:

1. NLSIU
2. NUJS
3. NLU Jodhpur
4. NALSAR

Also, in terms of cut-off mark, the ranking would be:

1. NLSIU
2. NUJS
3. NLU Jodhpur
4. NALSAR

Its interesting, as lowest general rank and cut-off marks may reflect overall class benchmark which is not the case with top 30.

I believe that these ranks do not mean much as it if difficult to comment on potential of young students based on performance on test-day and fixed set of questions. These ranks would not make a good lawyer, it is first step indeed, but its what these students do in law school and thereafter that would count.
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Recommend! +1 Objection! -1 kianganz 2013-06-03 16:23
The cut off marks may not be fully comparable as this year they were all jumbled up, including various domicile categories. Not sure it's therefore completely possible comparing like-with-like on that front just by cut-offs, which is why we came up with the Super 30...
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Recommend! +2 Objection! -2 NUJS guys? 2013-06-04 04:44
Is this comment by some NUJS guy again thinking of being ahead of NALSA. Hold on bro!
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Recommend! +0 Objection! -0 Concur 2013-06-04 10:55
Yes, this ranking is skewed - jumbled up marks, etc. makes the data used very suspect.

Students: note that it only reflects CLAT preference ranking and not the industry ranking. Choose carefully.
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Recommend! +0 Objection! -0 Get your ranks right. 2013-06-03 16:18
The lowest general rank for NALSAR is 104.

356 ranked person is through the state domicile quota.

Please correct.
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Recommend! +0 Objection! -0 kianganz 2013-06-03 16:31
Just fixing cut-offs... Some domicile reservation figures may have crept in...
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Recommend! +1 Objection! -0 So what 2013-06-04 10:57
Domicile rank and domicile students do bring down the average quality, right? Of course, there are some exceptions, but every college that has domicile has suffered for that. NLIU Bhopal is the biggest case in point. It is sad that domicile was allowed in NALSAR. Bloody politicians.
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Recommend! +1 Objection! -2 Pacman 2013-06-03 16:24
LET THE HUNGER GAMES, BEGIN!
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Recommend! +4 Objection! -1 pi 2013-06-03 17:48
in the present clat counselling system students have to put their choice of colleges before the results are out, this results in lot of confusion as students are never sure which college they would get, also painful exercise for the lower ranking colleges as after the first first round no one who has been allotted to these colleges are left as all of them have been upgraded to their higher choice. it is quite easy to get rid of this confusion if clat decided to follow a post result counselling system
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Recommend! +2 Objection! -3 X 2013-06-03 18:13
LI please inform your readers that CNLU is derecognised, othwerwise it will ruin the careers of students who choose the college.
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Recommend! +4 Objection! -2 NICKTHEGreek 2013-06-03 19:50
lol Patiala..get your s**t together man! It seems, you're outta the game. Haha.
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Recommend! +4 Objection! -1 NALSARite 2013-06-03 23:21
Way to go NUALS...
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Recommend! +2 Objection! -1 possible error 2013-06-04 00:38
there appears something wrong with the HNLU cut off. It should be higher than the cut offs for the colleges below it on the list

also, doesn't the "last rank" column and the cut-off column provide essentially the same information?

Can you also provide a column which tells us how many students eligible to get a particular college opted for a "lower" college, (possibly as a percentage of total seats)? That number would probably be 4 for NLS (out of 55?) and 5 for Nalsar (out of 41). This would provide some data on how close it is between this college and the next (clearly in terms of preferences it is not close between NLS and Nalsar, or between Nalsar and anybody else).

thanks, this analysis is fun for statistically minded, bored lawyers
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Recommend! +18 Objection! -1 Inexplicable preferences 2013-06-04 04:22  interesting  top rated
It is quite alarming to see how some of India's best school-leaving students are blindly marking their preferences for the national law schools on the basis of their respective 'brand' value. It is public knowledge that the quality of classroom teaching at NLSIU Bangalore is at its lowest ebb in the 25-year history of that institution. In recent years, it has lost several of its competent faculty members either due to retirement or better opportunities at other universities. At least two have been inexplicably removed for questioning the present Vice-Chancellor's decisions. Several well-meaning alumni with doctoral degrees from prestigious institutions have been rebuffed and have instead chosen to teach at other institutions.

For those in the know, it is the present administrators at schools like NLU-Jodhpur and NALSAR-Hyderabad who are showing the much needed initiative to hire motivated law teachers by providing an enabling environment for curriculum reform. NLU-Delhi has attracted some exceptional teachers, primarily owing to its locational advantages, and NUJS Kolkata is still benefiting from some of the far-sighted decisions made by its previous V-C. In my personal opinion, there's not much to differentiate between these five law schools. Evidently, law school aspirants are making decisions on the basis of limited access to information, despite the emergence of websites such as LegallyIndia and BarandBench.
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Recommend! +17 Objection! -0 Inexplicable preferences 2013-06-04 05:18  interesting  top rated
As an addendum to my previous comment, I would like to draw the readers' attention to the following comment left on a story extolling the NLSIU V-C's achievements (The New Indian Express, April 1, 2013):-

"... I studied at NLSIU between 2003 and 2008 which was before Prof. R. Venkata Rao joined the institution. Furthermore, I was engaged in a temporary teaching position from July 2011 to February 2013, which is when Prof. Rao dismissed me from service for merely trying to start an internal discussion on campus management and academic reforms. NLSIU has produced more than a dozen Rhodes scholars before 2009 and recorded wins at International moot courts in the past as well. Prof. R. Venkata Rao is merely reaping the benefits of the institutional culture developed since 1988. His tenure over the last four years has been marked by a visible decline in teaching standards, primarily because he allocated subjects to instructors with no background in the respective disciplines. Furthermore, he has discontinued the previously established practice of weekly faculty meetings and as outlined above, he also interferes with evaluation of examinations by subject-teachers.

Posted by Sidharth Chauhan at 04/21/2013 01:34"

From what I've gathered from reliable sources at NLSIU, Sidharth Chauhan was a well-regarded teacher and his allegations against Prof. R. Venkata Rao are pretty serious. Grade-inflation, refusal to call faculty meetings and allotting subjects without considering the experience and expertise of teachers are definitely academic malpractices. I can't understand why parents might want to send their children to a once eminent institution that appears to have been weakened by a power-hungry Vice-Chancellor. He had even removed his predecessor in office, Prof. Jayagovind (a well regarded scholar of International Law) who has been forced to take-up a visiting position at NLU-Delhi after teaching at NLSIU for 24 years. Any V-C who arbitrarily removes committed teachers like Prof. Jayagovind and Mr. Sidharth Chauhan, is surely not thinking about the welfare of his students.
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Recommend! +3 Objection! -0 Interesting... 2013-06-04 14:47
All the points you mentioned above are noteworthy, but the fact of the matter is Law School does not run on good faculty alone-if that was the case, it would have collapsed a long time ago, the environment in the Law School is such that it gave not only the teachers but the students as well the initiative to go and explore the world-in fact, in many cases, students have enriched the faculty with their inputs-keeping this in mind, the administration should be revamped and when the present term of the V-C ends next year, a proper committee must be formed and hopefully the candidate selected would be a visionary a la Madhava Menon, Mitra etc. In fact, I'd be happy even if authoritarians like Ranbir Singh are appointed, at least they get the best for students.......Also, the BCI should ensure that proper systems are in force in National Law Schools-after having invested so much time and effort, one should expect something out of the institution
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Recommend! +5 Objection! -0 Inexplicable preferences 2013-06-05 09:33  interesting
@ Interesting,
I don't think many people outside NLSIU know about the gravity of the situation. Apart from removing Dr. Jayagovind and Mr. Sidharth Chauhan in the most arbitrary fashion, the present V-C has also prevented the return of established teachers such as Prof. Babu Mathew and Prof. Sitharamam Kakarala who had played an important role in the development of the institution in the 1990s. As I had hinted in my earlier comment, highly qualified alumni such as Mrinal Satish (JSD from Yale, 2012), Aparna Chandra (JSD from Yale, 2013), Mr. N.S. Nigam (D. Phil from Oxford) and Mr. Naveen Thayyil (PhD from Tilburg University) had inquired about teaching positions over the last one year and were not given any assurances. If the V-C was serious about recruiting them, he could have easily informed them about the advertisement for regular positions that was eventually issued in May 2013.

The most serious problem is with the manner in which the V-C has used his personal discretion to increase grades for students who had otherwise failed in the respective subjects. I have previously studied at NLSIU and have learned from reliable sources in the faculty that Prof. R. Venkata Rao has arbitrarily increased marks in almost all subjects taught in the undergraduate programme. This has led to a situation where many students refuse to do the assigned readings and are highly indifferent in the classroom. While the overall standard of teaching continues to be poor, this regime of sops and concessions has de-motivated the better teachers as well. I heard that Prof. M.P. Pillai is planning to pack his bags after teaching company law at NLS for more than 20 years. Shreya Rao (who has taught Income-Tax at NLSIU for the 3 last years) had written a letter to Prof. Rao about these concerns but has not received a response as yet. I have already mentioned the names of 10 individuals in this comment who would otherwise be contributing to the classroom teaching in NLSIU, if not for the shortsightedness of its' present V-C.

On a personal note, I am quite baffled by the silence on part of current students and alumni following the unjust removal of Sidharth Chauhan in February 2013. He is a personal friend and I know that the only reason that he has not dragged NLSIU to the Karnataka High Court is because of his loyalty to the institution. The faculty representatives on the school's Executive Council have confirmed that the contents of Sidharth Chauhan's open letters were not even discussed before passing a resolution that empowered the V-C to act as he deemed fit. This only goes to show that unless alumni are given formal representation on the EC, that body will continue to be a toothless tiger.

I can understand that many current students will not speak up against the V-C for fear of retaliation. Some of them blindly support him due to the concessions given such as grade-inflation, condonation of attendance shortages and prolonged extensions of project submission deadlines. In short, the populism of the present V-C has undone the institutional practices that had turned NLSIU into an enviable brand. Coupled with his lack of tolerance for any criticism, I am quite shocked and ashamed at what he has done to my alma mater. I urge all NLSIU alumni to lobby against a second term for Venkata Rao.
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Recommend! +0 Objection! -0 pro interesting !! 2013-06-05 16:11
NLS Alumni.. !! come together to save NLS. Heard that the situation seems to have gone out of control...

Prof. RVR enjoyed the tag of NLS. Along with Prof.RVR, if few bad elements are shown their way.. then, probably, NLS may be restored to its original glory... Prof. RVR acted as a catalyst for all the wrong doings.. What makes BCI sleep on all his issues...

Autonomous body .. problems.. powers vested on a wrong individual... be ready for its consequences...
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Recommend! +10 Objection! -0 Confused Zeus Says . . . 2013-06-05 18:58  interesting
Quoting pro interesting !!:
NLS Alumni.. !! come together to save NLS. Heard that the situation seems to have gone out of control...


A concerned NLS alum called the NLS land line.

Receptionist: "Good morning. You've reached National Law School. How can I help you?"

Concerned NLS alum: "Err - can I speak to Mr. When Quit Rao?"

Receptionist: "Sure Sir, please hold on."

(line is transferred)

V.C. "Hello."

Concerned NLS Alum: "Am I speaking to Mr. When Quit Rao?"

V.C. "Yes - Wont Quit Rao speaking."

. . . .
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Recommend! +1 Objection! -0 Environment in Law College 2013-06-05 15:09
Environment of drugs and debauchery? Government of India should start distributing ketamine in the streets then....
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Recommend! +0 Objection! -0 Interesting... 2013-06-04 14:48
As Madhav Menon had noted-the concept of National Law Schools changed the legal landscape in the country, and all the NLU's are indeed waiting for one more revolution in legal education
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Recommend! +1 Objection! -0 azaad punchee 2013-06-04 17:50
Nlsiu was never known for great teaching. In fact most of the academic institutions in India are like that, only in the NLUs, being single department/faculty universities with a comparatively small student body, the powers get concentrated in the vice-chancellors. They are a combination of the head, dean and vice-chancellor. Having sat in such a position, it is not expected that you will play second fiddle in the same institute very easily. It has been a tradition that the requests from outgoing directors/vice-chancellor s for a room, to come sit and do their research work, have been rejected. Prof. Jayagovind, as I heard ,when he was the VC, was as arbitrary and was known to have promoted those who either never took classes (the research assistants for their centres stood up for them) or was foisted upon him by local/Nlsiu politics. Not being from an NLU, Venkat Rao does not know how deal with a lot which says, it used to be like this --so clean, fragrant and beautiful, which it never was. Unless you are a local strong man, dissent from the faculty is unwelcome. Sid Chauhan's term was not renewed because he wrote an open letter. Prof. Sudhir Chopra, a person acknowledged for his contribution to International Environmental Law and appointed for it, was never given the subject to teach. He taught us Admin Law and therafter Internatinal law, while Environmental Law was denied to him and we never benefited from it. Unlike Sid Chauhan, who got an adminstrative appointment, his appointment was regular but never confirmed i believe and his household effects were thrown out from the guest house on the day the term ended due to non confirmation.
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Recommend! +2 Objection! -10 Master 2013-06-04 12:22
Barring a few exceptions, faculty at NLSIU, NALSAR and NUJS are crap and it is even worse at Bhopal, Patiala, Raipur etc. The best faculty (or rather least crappy faculty) is at NLU Delhi and students should thus place it as their first choice .
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Recommend! +12 Objection! -2 Mister 2013-06-04 13:06  interesting
Quoting Master:
Barring a few exceptions, faculty at NLSIU, NALSAR and NUJS are crap and it is even worse at Bhopal, Patiala, Raipur etc. The best faculty (or rather least crappy faculty) is at NLU Delhi and students should thus place it as their first choice .


Put NLU-D as 1st choice? And then remain unemployed at the end of 5 years?
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Recommend! +9 Objection! -0 pi 2013-06-04 18:16  interesting
first bring nlud in the clat fold then talk about choosing it over others
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Recommend! +2 Objection! -0 coddy 2013-06-06 15:38
oh they will never...nlu D needs to serve delhiwala..got it
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Recommend! +0 Objection! -0 Visitor 2013-06-04 13:23
Fee Structure may be one of the reasons why few people would have chosen NLUJA Assam before NUSRL Ranchi.
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Recommend! +1 Objection! -0 Student 2013-06-04 15:17
Hi Kian,

Nothing personal, but please don't use strong language while speaking about any University. Frankly, to my mind, there a lot of factors which influence a student to prefer a college over the other. For eg - Assuming the 160th CLAT rank holder (from Tamilnadu) wanted to study law, but couldn't make it through to NLS or NALSAR. Now, if the student was not given the option to move beyond South India for personal reasons and ends up in NUALS, does that indicate his/her choice? I personally know of a batch in NUALS which has around 10 people ranked above 350 and most of them chose NUALS for the primary reason that they were Keralites. Does this speak of the University's performance or the students' choice?

True, the scores do indicate a trend. But they are not complete by themselves. They are just an indicator. And if they are used to pass conclusive judgments with disparaging language, to my mind again, that's incorrect.
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Recommend! +2 Objection! -4 Simple Mathematician 2013-06-04 15:59
This whole concept of super 30 is flawed. NLIU Bhopal has only 23 seats to fill whereas NLU Jodhpur has 80 to fill. Secondly if u look at Mooting culture in NLUJ, it is light years ahead of NLIU. THe placements in NLUJ are far better. In short, NLIU sucks big time
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Recommend! +0 Objection! -1 A.G. Guest 2013-06-05 10:32
Placements? Really. We all know NLU-J hasn't been so 'good' this year, and so do you! ;)
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Recommend! +0 Objection! -0 A.G. Host 2013-06-05 20:15
"Not so good" recruitment in one bad / unlucky year is surely the only criteria to judge a college?

@ Simple Mathematician: try to refrain from comparing NLUJ with NLIU or the other lawschools. Look at the NLUJ motto and focus on it. Since when did NLUJ start bad-mouthing other colleges?
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Recommend! +0 Objection! -0 yiuh 2013-06-06 15:39
hear Mathur sir term coming to end...it will be worst next year.
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Recommend! +8 Objection! -1 Haha 2013-06-05 14:09  interesting
Not in any of the NLUs. And have a great job. Loved law school and made the most of my time there.

All this is humbug. You can do well at any place and at any time in your life.
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Recommend! +1 Objection! -1 @A.G. Guest 2013-06-06 21:39
Even with "not so good placements", NLUJ's placements remain way better than NLIU...
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Recommend! +1 Objection! -0 BCI, where art thou? 2013-06-08 22:20
Legal education has been in the doldrums for a vast part of the Indian Independence.....except for few law colleges and universities, the state of legal education has been pathetic, why am i pinning blame on the BCI? Because it needs to realize that the future of legal education determines a lot of other stuff, various advancements in legal research and the law in general has come about after the concept of a 5 year integrated course was introduced in law schools, lot of people have gone and made names around the world. BCI needs to be proactive just like the American Bar Association, in fact the BCI needs to be revamped in order for the sorry state of affairs is to be kept in check......if there is a good BCI, why will there be authoritarians and tools like the VC's of NLS and NUJS whose authority is taken for granted? Who are they answerable to? All these institutions present a good opportunity for these people to amass wealth and go on power trips....shambles really
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Recommend! +0 Objection! -0 Agreed !! 2013-06-10 10:31
if there is a good BCI, why will there be authoritarians and tools like the VC's of NLS and NUJS whose authority is taken for granted? Who are they answerable to? All these institutions present a good opportunity for these people to amass wealth and go on power trips....shambles really

A true thinking... ...
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