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NLU Delhi wins Oxford Media Moot, could worry NLS’ post-Jessup MPL lead

NLU Delhi is within striking distance of NLSIU Bangalore in what is perhaps the best year yet for Indian mooting teams abroad.NLU Delhi is within striking distance of NLSIU Bangalore in what is perhaps the best year yet for Indian mooting teams abroad.

NLU Delhi has won the Price Media Law Moot at Oxford University, which is rated as a Tier 2 World Class moot in the Mooting Premier League (MPL) 4 sponsored by Herbert Smith Freehills.

Together with two honourable mention citations there and three at Jessup, NLU Delhi is now just over 50 points within reach of the almost continuous MPL leader NLSIU Bangalore, which bulked up its already huge Tier 1 tally to 170 points after winning the Philip C Jessup moot in Washsington last weekend.

NLU Delhi’s team comprising of speakers Medha Vikram and Harshad Pathak and researcher Divya Srinivasan defeated the USA’s Regent University in the finals late yesterday for 30 MPL points.

NLU D preps for finals: Divya Srinivasan, Harshad Pathak & Medha Vikram (l. to r.) (source Oxford Media Moot)NLU D preps for finals: Divya Srinivasan, Harshad Pathak & Medha Vikram (l. to r.) (source Oxford Media Moot)Pathak and Medha respectively won the second and third best speaker awards, counting as honourable mentions of five points each in the MPL. Medha also picked up best speaker in

The NLU Delhi winning team had dedicated the entire year to preparing for the Price Moot. “We were actually waiting for the problem to be released. As soon as the problem was out we were on it,” recounted Medha Vikram, having won the South Asia rounds of the moot against NSLIU Bangalore, which also traveled to Oxford. “Now that we have spotted our weak points we could work more on that area to launch the best of our performance at the International rounds.”

The NLUD winning team was elated at cracking the finals of the Price Media Law Moot. “We are overjoyed right now. It feels really good to come to a place as prestigious as Oxford and win!” said Vikram.

Last year Nalsar had won the moot in Oxford.

Further Indian results, if any, are awaited. More pictures available on the moot’s Facebook page.

NLS dominates but not invincible

NLSIU Bangalore still looks set to win this season of the MPL after bagging a total of 60 points for its victory at Jessup (40 points for the win and two honourable mentions for 10 points each). It now has a massive 302 points in the MPL.

Dreaming spires, from insideDreaming spires, from inside

NLU Delhi, however, after its Oxford win remains in contention for the top spot with 249 points – before its 40 points at Oxford it was at 219 points with 30 points for honourable mentions at Jessup (19th best team, 21st best speaker and third best memo).

Sneak preview

Though some big scoring moots are still coming up, NLU Delhi will continue having its work cut out if it wants to stand a chance at displacing NLS’ 53-point lead.

The ICC Trial Moot, a Tier 2 will be the most important competition coming up as teams stand a chance to win more than 70 points if they do a clean sweep. Similarly, the Commonwealth moot is ranked in Tier 2 and could bring in a similar haul.

Overall there are at least 115 points still up for grabs if a school won every upcom

ing MPL moot, and that is without counting additional citations such as best memos or speakers.

The fight for second and third place has cooled down with NLU Delhi’s performance in Oxford, now enjoying a comfortable 100+ point margin over NUJS Kolkata in third place.

Everything is still open between NUJS and NLU Jodhpur for third place, though – the teams have been see-sawing back and forth all season and the gap is now only 20 points.

Also please note that the ISRO Manfred Lachs Funding Rounds have been postponed to May and the NLS International Arbitration Moot is happening from 11th to 14th April 2013.

  • 11 to 14 April: NLS International Arbitration Moot (Tier 4)
  • 14 to 18 April: Commonwealth Moot Court Competition (Tier 2)
  • 21 to 26 April: ICC Trial Moot, The Hague (Tier 2)
  • 30 April to 5 May: ELSA WTO Moot Court Competition (Tier 4)
  • 3 to 5 May: ISRO Manfred Lachs Funding Rounds (Tier 2)
  • 1 to 2 June: Lachs Asia-Pacific Rounds (Tier 4)
  • 8 to 12 July: Maritime International Arbitration Moot (Tier 5)

GNLU quartered for India at FIAM

A four member team from GNLU Gandhinagar made it to the semi-finals of the Frankfurt Investment Arbitration Moot Competition, held between 18 and 22 March 2013.

A team consisting of Shubham Kaushal, Spoorthy MS, Arima Jain and Utkarsh Divyankar bagged 3 MPL points for this Tier 5 international moot.

International law firm Herbert Smith is sponsoring the Mooting Premier League (MPL) and will contribute a prize pool of Rs 60,000 for the top three winning colleges.

Mooting Premier League 4 season standings

Pos Law school T1 T2 T3 T4 T5 Org W R/u S/F B S B M/R HM Pts Details
1 NLSIU Bangalore 170   80 24 28   4 2 3 2 5 2 302 Rizvi Moot (Semis); Surana Trial - South (Gold); Manfred Lachs Space Moot World Rounds (Gold, memo, speaker); Stetson South India (Gold); Oxford Media Law National Qualifiers (Silver, speaker); KK Luthra Criminal (semis); Jessup South Rounds (Gold, memo, speaker); GIMC (silver); Kerala Law Academy (semis) NUJS Herbert Smith (Best Memo) NLU-J Antitrust Moot (Runners Up) (Best Researcher) (Best Memo); Vis, Vienna (Honorable Mention- Speaker) Jessup World Rounds (Winners) (Honorable Mentions- 2nd Best Oralist, Best Speaker in Finals)
2 NLU Delhi 30 90 90 16 22 1 5 2 5 2 1 6 249 HMMCC (Semis); Henry Dunant (gold); NLU Delhi Corp Moot (organiser); NLIU Juris Corp (Semis); Oxford Media Law National Qualifiers (Gold, memo); Commonwealth Moot Nat'l (semis); Stetson North Rounds (silver, speaker), Jessup North (Gold); Kerala Law Academy (silver) NUJS Herbert Smith (Semis) NLU-J Antitrust Moot (Semifinalist); Red Cross Moot (Winners)(Best Speaker) ; Oxford IPR Moot (Runners Up); Leiden Sarin Air Law Moot (Best Speaker)(Honourable Mention for Best Applicant Team) Jessup World Rounds (Honorable Mentions - 19th Best Team, 21st Best Speaker, 3rd best Memo); Oxford Media Moot (Win, 2nd & 3rd oralist for HM)
3 NUJS Kolkata 25 45   16 48 2 2 2 2 6   3 136 HMMCC (Best team)(speaker) (Nani Palkhivala (silver); (BR Sawhney (speaker);(SLCU Moot (Gold, speaker); Surana Trial North East: (silver); (KK Luthra) (speaker); DM Harish (semis & speaker); NUJS Herbert Smith (org); ELSA WTO Asian Rounds (Best Speaker) (Semis); Vis (East), Hong Kong, (Honorable Mention- Best Pan-Asian Team); Vis, Vienna (Honorable Mention- Respondent Memo and Octa Finalists)
4 NLU Jodhpur 20   30 35 30 1 2 3 5 3   2 116 (Henry Dunant) (silver); (Surana Trial Adv - North) (semis); (B.R Sawhney Moot) (semis) ; (NLIU Juris Corp) (Semis); (Oxford Media Law National Qualifiers) (Semis);(Commonwealth Moot National Rounds) (Gold) (speaker), Jessup North (semis, speaker);(KK Luthra) (Gold); ULC Bangalore (silver); NUJS Herbert Smith (Runners Up) (Best Speaker) NLU-J Antitrust Moot (Organizers); Vis East, Hong Kong (Honorable Mention - Respondent Memorandum, Honourable Mention, 2nd Best Oralist)
5 Symbiosis, Pune 40     35 15   1 1 1   2 2 90 (NLIU Juris Corp) Best Researcher; Kerala Law Academy (gold); Surana Corporate Moot (Semis) Amity Moot (Runners Up); GH Raisoni Moot (Winners) (Best Researcher); Vis (East) Hong Kong (Quarter Finalists) ( 2 Honorable Mentions for Speakers)
6 ILS Pune 10 15 5 27 33   2 1 3 1 2 1 90 (HMMCC) (Best researcher); (SLCU Moot) (silver); (NLIU Juris Corp) (gold); (Stetson South India)(Semis); DM Harish (semis) Surana Corporate Moot (Best Oralist) (Semis); ULC Bangalore (orator); GH Raisoni (Semis) ; NLU-J Antitrust Moot (Winners); Vis, Vienna (Honorable Mention- Respndent Memorandum)
7 RMLNLU Lucknow   30 30 4 20   1 2 1   2 3 84 (NLU Delhi Corp Moot) (gold, best researcher); (Surana Trial Adv - North) (memo);(Stetson North Rounds) (Gold), Jessup North (silver);GNLU International Moot (semifinalists); Stetson World Rounds (Semi Finalists) ( Honourable Mention - 2nd Best Memorial, 5th Best Speaker, 6th Best Speaker)
8 HNLU Raipur     10 32 41 1 2 2 2 1 6   84 Nani Palkhivala (Best Researcher); (Pro Bono) (Runner's Up, speaker, Best researcher, memo) (Rizvi Moot) (silver) (Justice Hidayatullah Moot) (organizer) (Stetson North Rounds) (memo); Surana Trial North East (winner, speaker) (KK Luthra) (memo); Kerala Law Academy (semis) Amity Moot (Best Memo) NUJS Herbert Smith (Semis)
9 Nalsar Hyderabad 30   5 8 25 1 1     1 2 3 69 (HMMCC (silver); (Rizvi Moot) (Best team); (B.R Sawhney Moot) (organisers); (NLIU Juris Corp) (speaker);(FDI Moot (memo);(Commonwealth Moot National Rounds) (memo); Jessup South (Semifinalists); Vis (East), Hong Kong (Honorable Mention- Claimant Memo); Vis, Vienna (Honorable Mentions- Speaker, Claimant Memorandum)
10 GNLU Gandhinagar     5 30 21 2   1 3 1   1 58 (Nani Palkhivala) (best team); (NLU Delhi Corp Moot) (Best team);(FDI Moot) (Honourable Mention);Jessup North (semis); GNLU International Moot (organizers) Surana Corporate Moot (Gold); GH Raisoni Moot (Runners Up)(Best Mooter) NLU-J Antitrust Moot (Semifinalist); Frankfurt Investment Arbitration Moot (Semifinalists)
11 RGNUL Patiala   20   32 5     2 1   3   57 (HMMCC (silver); (Rizvi Moot) (Best team); (B.R Sawhney Moot) (organisers); (NLIU Juris Corp) (speaker);(FDI Moot (memo);(Commonwealth Moot National Rounds) (memo); Jessup South (Semifinalists); Vis (East), Hong Kong (Honorable Mention- Claimant Memo); Vis,Vienna (Honorable Mentions- Speaker.
12 Jindal Global Law School     20 8 15   1   2 1 2   43 (Nani Palkhivala) (memo)(Henry Dunant) (best researcher, semis); (Surana Trial Adv - North) (gold); (Oxford Media Law National Qualifiers)(Semis); NLU-J Antitrust Moot (Best Speaker)
13 NUALS Kochi     10 23 5   1 1     2   38 (NLU Delhi Corp Moot) (silver); (Stetson South) (memo); Kerala Law Academy (memo) Amity Moot (Winners)
14 Faculty of Law, Jamia Milia Islamia University     10 8 10     1   1 1   28 Nani Palkhivala (speaker); Henry Dunant (memo); Surana Trial adv-North (Silver, speaker)
15 GLC Mumbai     10 8 8         1 1   26 (Surana Trial Advocacy South) (silver) (NLU Delhi Corp Law Moot) (Semifinalist); Jessup South Rounds (silver); GNLU International Moot (memo)
16 NLUO Cuttack       12 13       1   2   25 B.R Sawhney Moot (memo); NLIU Juris Corp (memo); GH Raisoni Moot (Best Memo) (Semis);Amity Moot (Semifinalists) ;
17 Amity Law School,Delhi (IP University)     5 4 13 2 1   2       24 Commonwealth Moot (semis); Stetson North Rounds (semis); GIMC (semis) Amity Moot (Organizers) ; ELSA WTO Asian Rounds (winners)
18 SVKM's Pravin Gandhi College of Law     5   16       2 1 1   21 SLCU Moot (memo, semis); Jessup South (semis); ULC Bangalore (semis, memo)
19 Nirma University     10 8 3       3       21 Henry Dunant (semis); (Pro Bono) Semis; Stetson North Rounds (semis)
20 CNLU Patna     20         1     1   20 (Stetson South) (Silver); Jessup North (memo)
21 Campus Law Centre, New Delhi       15 4   1   1       19 KK Luthra (Semifinalists); NUJS Herbert Smith Moot (Winners)
22 ULC Bangalore         16 1 1       1   17 (NLU Delhi Corp Moot) (memo);(Pro-bono Enviro Moot (Gold); ULC moot (org)
23 NLIU Bhopal       4 8 2     2   1   14 HMMCC (Semis, memo); Nani Palkhivala (semis); NLIU JurisCorp (org);
24 Amity Law School Noida         13       1 1 1   13 Rizvi Moot (semis, speaker, memo);
25 KLA, Trivandrum     10             1     10 Stetson South (speaker)
26 Department of Law, North-Eastern Hill University     10             1     10 Henry Dunant (speaker);
27 KIIT School of Law         10   1           10 B.R Sawhney Moot (Gold) ;
28 Faculty of Law, Allahbad University         10   1           10 ULC Bangalore (Gold)
29 Faculty of Law, Benaras Hindu University       8                 8 Surana Corporate Moot (memo)
30 School of Legal Studies, CUSAT Kochi         8       1   1   8 Surana Trial South (memo, semis);
31 UILS Punjab         8         1     8 Kerala Law Academy (speaker)
32 School of Law, Sastra University, Thanjavur       0 6       2       6 Surana Trial - South (semis); Pro Bono (Semis)
33 V.M. Salgaoncar, Goa     5           1       5 Stetson South (Semis)
34 A K K New Law Academy, Pune         5     1         5 Commonwealth Moot National Rounds (Runners Up)
35 New Law College, Bharti Vidayapeeth University, Pune         5         1     5 Surana Trial Adv - South (speaker);
36 Lucknow University Faculty of Law         5           1   5 Surana Trial Adv - North East (memo)
36 GLC Ernakulam         5           1   5 ULC Bangalore (memo)
37 Symbiosis, Noida       4         1       4 Amity Moot (Semifinalists)
38 Law Centre-I, Delhi University         3       1       3 ULC Bangalore (Semifinalists)
39 JSS Law College, Mysore           2             2 Surana Corporate Moot (Organizer)

For more information please refer to the MPL 4 rulebook.

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Like +2 Object -1 Rehan 13 Apr 13, 14:45
Are the Jessup memo results out yet? Isn't it released around a month after the end of the competition?
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Like +6 Object -4 Kuch bhi! 13 Apr 13, 15:03
whats the point of winning the moots, if you cant get a job!
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Like +11 Object -2 Redondo 13 Apr 13, 16:56  interesting
I'm baffled by the Kuch Bhi guy (and others like him) who keep asking what the point is if you can't get a job.

That's just ridiculous. Why should everything point to a job? What have "jobs" ever done for legal learning? And who stays in their first AMSS/ Luthra/ BigLaw "job" for more than the first two years anyway.

Surely, these kids competing for prizes based on showing an (admittedly idealized) legal skillset of research, drafting and arguing, is its own reward and beneficial generally, and therefore worth promoting. Maybe some of them will decide not to get a "job" and go train under a litigating lawyer and become arguing counsel! Maybe they'll become academics! Maybe they'll get a "job" and lie back dreaming of that day at Oxford...
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Like +1 Object -1 Tornac 21 Jul 13, 07:57
Eat your words. Medha Vikram got a training contract at Herbert Smith Freehills.
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Like +1 Object -1 Amity 13 Apr 13, 15:09
The totaling for Amity Law School, Delhi is incorrect. It stands at 27 instead of 24!
Please do the needful. Thank you!
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Like +3 Object -0 Guest 13 Apr 13, 16:02
I don't get this. Why is NLS given only 10 points for Best speaker in the finals? I thought Best Orator carries 30 points. At least clarify if the Best Orator award in the finals is equivalent to a honourable citation only (which it shouldn't be, the best speaker for the finals is quite a big achievement).
Also, I don't see how one can give the same number of points to the 2nd best speaker and the 19th best speaker overall. Its a massive difference, although I wholeheartedly appreciate the achievements of NLU Delhi. After all, for a 5 year law school to perform so well at Jessup is not a joke.
I am also sorry for deviating from the topic. Congrats to NLU Delhi. Your mooting credentials deserve a round of applause. :-)
But I sincerely hope that LI will look into NLS' Jessup performance and revise the points awarded.
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Like +0 Object -2 kianganz 13 Apr 13, 16:13
Agree with the gist of your sentiments.

However, do note it is quite hard to come up with a scoring system that anticipates all possible outcomes, and performances as strong as they were this year.

Generally, best speaker points only go for the overall best speaker in the competition award, or the widest best speaker category possible. Finals speaker citations are obviously an achievement too, but the college is getting at least finalist points for that already.

Also, the odds of 2 Indian teams both performing so well in something as big as Jessup are fairly small, statistically, so this year is an extraordinary set of circumstances.

So, short of overpowering the Jessup massively to make performing there basically an automatic MPL win, year by year this scoring system aims to reward good as well as outstanding performances at international moots. Plus, remember that all teams already got points from the national qualification rounds too.

Do let us know your thoughts if there's a way of improving this without over complicating too much.

Best regards
Kian
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Like +1 Object -0 somebody else 13 Apr 13, 21:03
Kian,

I agree with your general ideas that a) best speaker should be for the widest possible category, and b) best speaker in the finals should be just an hon men, not equivalent to best speaker.

However, I don't think that addresses the concern that, for the tier one moots, you've effectively equated second best speaker with 50th best speaker (probably more at vienna) or some such thing. I also don't think it is remotely fair for you to hide behind "but this is a rare occurrence". So what!. First, it isn't so rare for there to be massive differences in speaker rankings between two awarded Indian speakers at Jessup or VIenna (i believe that this is the third time this issue has arisen in 4 MPL seasons). And second, a points system is supposed to take care of that.

At the very least, you could have a category between best and hon men (for 20 points), for ranks 2 to 10. If you were willing to "complicate" things slightly more, you could create a sliding scale (30 for best speaker, 25 for ranks 2-10, 20 for ranks 11-20, 15 for ranks 21-30, and 10 for the rest). Shorten the bands (5 instead of 10) if you think that this also overpowers the tier one moots too much. But this is a problem with the scoring system that needs to be addressed for next year.

Another change you should consider is giving quarter finals points for tier two moots. Given the quality of moots in that tier, its almost certainly warranted.

Also, your list above has Manfred Lachs Asia Pacific listed as tier 4, when its actually tier two.

Cheers
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Like +4 Object -1 Bah! 13 Apr 13, 19:01
MPL is probably a good standard when it comes to mooting, but once you win top moots like Jessup, Vis, Man Lachs, Oxford etc...no one gives a damn about winning MPL.
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Like +1 Object -0 pi 13 Apr 13, 20:05
I am no big fan of LI (articles are shoddily written in a stop press style) however LI is a true innovator. Legally jobs, MPL are incredibly good ideas (some may argue presented anew), MPL inspite its teething problems gives a robust way to league table the moot performance of the indian law schools. So give credit where it is deserved. MPL would definitely be a highpoint of LI. Hope you continue innovating and strengthening them.
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Like +3 Object -2 Dude 13 Apr 13, 19:35
Why is LI behaving like NLU Delhi's promoter? First of all, NLS should get more points than what they have for the Jessup win. How can any college come even near NLS when they won the WORLD CUP of mooting? It's plain stupid.

And I reiterate - I am really disappointed by the way you all keep promoting NLU D. I know A LOT of people there, and they are good but not great! There's a reason they don't get jobs! And winning moots ain't difficult - NLU D has coaches for this stuff, which other law colleges don't!
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Like +0 Object -0 Dude 13 Apr 13, 19:35
P.S. Not from NLS, before people start bombarding me about that!
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Like +0 Object -0 Coaches ??? 13 Apr 13, 21:00
COACHES ?? Bull shit. Get your facts rte, ask ur friends u have in NLU Delhi.

And well we dont need promotion. Because only with five batches we are already kicking ass of other established colleges.

Needless to say respect for NLS, but we are no less.
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Like +0 Object -0 nero 14 Apr 13, 10:44
NLU Delhi's rise in a short span of time is impressive, though not surprising, as they have a great administrator in Ranbir Singh, who is the main reason why Nalsar is where it is today. Conversely, NUJS is going down the drain because its VCs have been lousy and lazy administrators.
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Like +0 Object -1 Coaches v Alumni 14 Apr 13, 14:50
NLUD has coaches!! Hahah. NLS an army of alumni, around the world, who fly down to NLS to train these people for weeks at end. We have no one. None at all to guide us, except your very alumni who give us a couple of hours of their time.
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Like +1 Object -0 MPL- Post Jessup memo citation 14 Apr 13, 14:52
Will MPL be considering the three honorable citations that we yet to come out in Jessup.
1. Speaker citations- Rank 25-57 (57 is beleive is the no. of ranks which are given MPL points.
2. Dillard Award- Top 5
4. Baxter (Applicant)- Top 5
5. Baxter( Respondent)- Top 5

Kindly confirm that these 40 points at Jessup are still up for grabs,
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Like +1 Object -0 Finals Best Speaker 14 Apr 13, 14:54
Medha Vikram from NLU delhi won Best speaker finals at Oxford Media law. 10 points for that Honorable mention?
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Like +2 Object -0 Naman Joshi 14 Apr 13, 23:08
I went to Jessup this year and am from NLU, Delhi and I think the point system is flawed. While I agree with Kian that it'll become complicated to award different numerical weights for different ranks, I guess thats the job. People aren't wrong in saying there has to be some difference. Raag winning 2nd Best Oralist has to be different from the Oralist Mentions we got, 21 and some x number for which I am still waiting. Having said that, same question as MPL- Post Jessup memo citation. How are Dillard and Baxter Awards treated?
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Like +1 Object -0 Guest 15 Apr 13, 05:16
Congrats NLU-D!

NLS did really well at the Media Law moot as well, though.
They made the quarter finals and also received a citation for 7th best speaker.
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Like +4 Object -0 Nalsar 15 Apr 13, 08:10
It's sad we are not on top of the table- lets just say we are taking a break ;)! However, the Jessup point system is definately flawed. Winning Jessup is by no means an easy task and likewise for Man Lacs (I went there). Not to undermine NLS-D achievements, but honestly for a team that has won two of the best moots, and been consistent through the season- as opposed to send a team to every moot on the calender and winning a few of those- Kian I suggest you have a revisit. NLS Jessup team- you have earned every mooters respect around the country, no matter if NLS-D participates in 5 more moots and take this MPL (hope no), no one can take away what you guys have done!
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Like +0 Object -0 kianganz 15 Apr 13, 12:39
Agree - NLS probably deserves more points for this performance.

But the rules are also there for a reason so that we can follow them year-by-year rather than being accused of bias for changing them last minute.

For previous years our Jessup and Tier 1 rules have worked quite well because it was so rare for Indian teams to make it into the top, so differentiating between 3rd best speaker and 32nd wasn't really something very high on our agenda.

I guess it could be argued making the top eight orators of memorials roughly equivalent to octa- or quarter-final points (15 and 20 respectively) at Tier 1 moots?

But should we do so retroactively or introduce this only in next seasons?

If Dillard and Baxter come through, those will most likely be honourable mentions I'd expect. We'll have to calculate the cut-offs there and check in detail what we did next year - any suggestions?

Do remember, however, that MPL does aim to give weighting to the international as well as domestic. If all you need to do to win MPL is for a team from your college to 'merely' win Jessup, that wouldn't fairly reflect overall mooting of the college either. Fact that NLS is top sort of vindicates the system - if NLS had not performed domestically it would not be first, though Jessup and Man Lachs achievements would always stand separate as highlight and achievements in their own right?

Detailed proposals for improvement always welcomed.

Thanks
Kian
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Like +0 Object -0 statistician 15 Apr 13, 14:56
I believe the cut-off for dillard and Baxter should be the top 5 for dillard, since these are colleges which receive official recognition apart from the rank list. For baxter too, it could be the top 5 appllicant and top 5 respondent citations.

However, agreeing with the above the wins should be given more points and the points for memo and orators should graded based on ranks.
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Like +0 Object -0 kianganz 15 Apr 13, 14:57
Your points make sense - will go through the rough maths in a bit.

But do you think we should retroactively award NLS more points for winning Jessup and the honourable mention for highly ranked speaker?
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Like +0 Object -0 haha 15 Apr 13, 16:32
don't retrospectively change, but do make the changes for next year

somebody else has suggested potential math regarding hon mens in a reply to one of your earlier comments
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Like +0 Object -1 Jessup 15 Apr 13, 18:17
I don't know when we will be getting the cup back to India again! Think you should award Raag & Co the points in retrospect. I don't think this is an NLS B or D thing. But it's for the 4 ppl who made us really proud and deserve every bit of recognition.
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Like +0 Object -0 kianganz 16 Apr 13, 00:31
Some great ideas.

We've decided to put it to a popular vote:
www.facebook.com/questions/511720718864645/

We'll strongly take on board the result and most likely adopt it unless we hear convincing arguments against going with majority wisdom... :)
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Like +1 Object -0 Legal Dodo 16 Apr 13, 08:40
For all its shortcomings, one reason why I respect LI, Kian, and his team is not just the transparency they work with, but also the earnest attempts to be unbiased, fair and balanced in everything they do. Kian's approach of being fiercely protective of his actions which he believes were correct, and yet being open to criticism, debate, and change are commendable. This approach of reconsidering the points awarded at Jessup is another example.

Readers who are quick to criticize should realize that LI is run by a handful (perhaps less than half dozen) people who continue doing a commendable job day after day, knowing that no matter what they do, it's impossible to please everyone all the time. In many ways, LI is a trendsetter in the Indian legal reporting scene.

Kudos to Kian and team. Keep up the good work!
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Like +0 Object -0 Memorial Vote-Sour grapes 16 Apr 13, 10:29
In the previous years, memorial ranks like 11th were also given the 10 points for Hon Mention. Just like re-vote said if second speaker rank is equivalent to 25 points like semis. The 3rd Best memo for NLU Delhi should also be 20 points equivalent to quarter finals. And to be fair, please put that up for vote too. Unless, the purpose is the find any semi-legit reason to make NLS win, which, for some reason I totally don't mind.
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Like +1 Object -1 kianganz 16 Apr 13, 10:39
That is actually a very, very valid point, which we should have noted.

Will also put this point to the vote, but I think it's very hard to disagree with your argument on the basis of fairness.

And if NLU D is entitled to extra points for the memo, as it arguably should have, then really why bother changing things retrospectively this season if it would affect both teams more or less equally?
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Like +1 Object -1 kianganz 16 Apr 13, 12:39
A new poll on whether NLU Delhi should get 25 / 20 or 15 points for third best overall memo at Jessup:

www.facebook.com/questions/511854415517942/

I looked through the results of the first poll as well, in which around 60 people voted for 25 points for NLS' 2nd best speaker.

www.facebook.com/questions/511720718864645/

However, looking through the voters it seems very roughly that 80% or so are from NLS. Not sure it would be fair hiking points on that basis alone, particularly since those publicly voting against NLS extra points could unfairly be accused of being petty in the circumstances.

Around 16 voted against a retrospective change but to amend it in future seasons in what looks like a bit more of a mix of different law schools (full disclosure, I voted for that one too).

Let's see how the NLU Delhi poll turns out and then decide?

Best wishes,
Kian

Ps: Many thanks Legal Dodo for your kind words!
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Like +2 Object -1 Amicus 19 Apr 13, 13:01
Why aren't you adding points for Jessup citations and NLS Arbitration? It makes the race closer. We non-NLS non-NLUD people want to get updates!
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