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Corp lawyers who have quit recently- let's talk
I'm guessing the lack of work from home options as a norm and not an exception. These people are wonderful assets for firms only if they maybe willing to allow them to work from wherever they were and not force them to another city in the middle of a pandemic or even otherwise.
Mental health is a huge factor too. I'm really thinking whether we gave wellness less priority while going up the ladder. Disconnected from life, family, entertainment and everything for so long has made my personality dry. This is very messed up and I'm rethinking my choices. And I'm just so glad that people are demanding for better working conditions or just quitting. That's massive self respect in play there by not letting yourself be walked over.
As someone who has recently quit, what are your thoughts? How can firms make work less hostile and more hospitable? How can people senior to you provide saner conditions? Unpaid bonuses? There's a lot...but where are we going wrong?
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2. Absolutely mind numbing work
3. No social life
4. Considering the inflation rate not enough salary
5. Pandemic (people have started realising the value of life)
These are some of the reasons why this might be happening.
1. Corporate lawyers quit when they realise value of life, dignity, independence. Only little money is needed to live comfortably with respect in India. Pandemic has opened eyes. Colleagues lost family members with whom they barely spent time because of this lifestyle.
2. Law firm system loses glitter fast. Smart ones quit when they realize it attracts with money but gives a poor life. With time you are left with average professionals desperate for money. It gets pathetic.
3. Problem is not filling positions from A, B, C college. It is impossible to fake quality when work is for sake of filling timesheets for money.
Not money, not power, not status.
Some of my friends are billionaires, but they are very unhappy people.
Power and money fail to bring inner peace.
Outward attainment will not bring real inner joyfulness.
We must look inside.
You can attribute these to me and call me a troll.
Or to the Dalai Lama
twitter.com/DalaiLama/status/1479385216561004548?s=20
For A0 positions - another hidden talent is folks who have worked for 2 to 3 years at Tier 3 firms and Seniors Chambers. Easy to train and far less attrition rates.
These people will be more grateful and won't jump ships like thankless top NLU folks who think they are above everyone else.
I've made it a point to now hire people only from JGLS.
Better education and schooling, and less thankless in general.
What’s truly impressive is when a workplace can boast of having employees with the caliber to have real options that choose to remain/ join. That is a workplace with the best talent :)
I, for my team, visit JGLS, and hire A0s from there itself.
Its MY CHOICE to hire JGLS grads. Its the only campus that I visit.
Weren't you sharing opinions as a student on another thread? You've suddenly turned into a hiring partner?
I may or may not have a foreign LLM. (can't give away too much info, you never know which HR is lurking where 😉)
Nobody’s saying it’s not your choice. I’m saying your reasons for making that choice speak volumes about what your workplace is like and what it intends to be like :P
Also I'd rather have kids with immaculate schooling and who've been taught by the best of teachers, and not poor scrubs who wear 300 Rs shirts because they have to pay off student loans which they took because they couldn't afford the 3 LPA fee of a law school.
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Gotta say, that kinda speaks volumes about why you spend every conceivable hour on this website :P
Those are the individuals who prefer to know where their next pay-check is coming from
Those are the individuals who lack the foresight to see where the market is moving
Those are the individuals who may have had family responsibilities which forced them to keep their heads down and simply work
Those are the individuals who have built each of their respective equity partners practice by (a) working horrible hours; (b) day after day indulging in mind numbing work; (c) sacrificing their social and personal life.
Before you take a dig at what someone or their family can pay for ones education - do realise that your family has wasted money attempting to educate you and you are wasting your time by trying to do anything
So we're glorifying quitters and demeaning fighters.
Brave new world.
It is ok to quit a job.
Those who quit on themselves and reconcile with living miserably are the real quitters. Not fighters!
Would you label Jeff Bezos a quitter? He quit Wall Street to start a fledgling business.
Chetan Bhagat? He quit a "glorified" job too.
It is admirable if someone manages to successfully quit a law firm for more money, success, happiness, personal time, etc etc. I want to hear how they did it.
Most lawyers in law firms are stuck because they can't help it. If you're a law firm insider you know this already.
Another option which could be tried by new comers is to explore practicing in their native city.. The ground reality is extremely poor, if talented folks start practicing, it will be mega contribution and over a period of time, I am sure they will do pretty well financially as well..
Do something for the society. Period.
1. I am more mentally stable and have stopped being a snapping machine.
2. Have free weekends and spend time with family.
3. Thankfully, the money is mostly the same.
4. Got rid of my horrible, super horrible boss and got a new senior who is caring and understanding.
5. I laugh a lot, started cracking jokes like I used to with my friends. My friends tell me that their lost friend is back.
6. I am yet to take out time for exercise/fitness session and that remains a priority.
7. Do I miss anything about my firm- no, absolutely not. I just feel bad I could not move in house earlier on.
First, JPow, believe it or not. Because USA cranked up the money printer, there was suddenly a lot of dry powder and risk appetite for PE/VCs as well as institutional money. So the investment and fundraising went through the roof. Firms knew fully well that this was happening, but have not cranked up their hiring to match the workload. Also, it could also be by design - if teams are billing more than the normal days, why hire more and increase costs?
The attrition trend is noticeable not just in India, but also other countries and Magic Circle firms.
Second, during the lockdown was ironically when most people discovered freedom. Home cooked food on the plate can mean a lot more than money in the bank (ok maybe not lol). Afternoon naps took priority over all those deals. Let's be honest, lawyers can actually work remotely. We have been stuck in stone age, and continue to be.
Amen. There's absolutely no upside to WFO that I noticed from Nov to Dec 2021. What exactly is the benefit of lugging people into cubicles I fail to see.
(R: pffffft)
Do you think huge world outside law firms is working pro bono for NGOs
Plain stupid to think in extremes. Meaningful life free of poverty could be had on a salary of even 6 LPA (or a reasonable amount you define).
There're private jobs with better LIFE that pay between 6 LPA to whatever a firm pays you.
Government jobs are even better. Accommodation, pension, health scheme, allowances, leaves, connections, respect, job security...
What's your point, buddy?
I see posts on legally india about lawfirms? Money? People want to do llm and move abroad and my blood boils.
Talk about serving your country. Talk about social work. Talk about making a difference.
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Don't be a loser.
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