Top 10 Indian law firms according to RSG (full top 40 ranking below)Top 10 Indian law firms according to RSG (full top 40 ranking below)

In the latest bi-annual rankings compiled by consultancy RSG India, AZB & Partners has topped the table ahead of Shardul Amarchand Mangaldas (SAM) and Cyril Amarchand Mangaldas (CAM), which had topped the table in 2015 when still united in one firm as Amarchand Mangaldas before their break-up (see full table below).

Trilegal leapfrogged both J Sagar Associates (JSA) and Luthra & Luthra into fifth position.

There is only a whisker separating AZB from SAM, CAM and Khaitan & Co in the aggregate scores (34.4 vs 34.0 vs 33.6 vs 32.8 respectively), as compiled by RSG from a number of banded and weighted scores out of a maximum of 40:

1. CAPACITY (out of 10): number of partners, lawyers, offices, leverage ratios, and ability to handle large scale work.

2. PROFILE (out of 10): market profile, including the number of spontaneous mentions and recommendations the firm received in independent client interviews.

3. QUALITY OF MANDATE (out of 10): an analysis of the firm’s client base and recent work, including their major directory rankings.

4. CLIENT SATISFACTION (out of 10): the average satisfaction score from the firm’s own clients on 12 key indicators.

Despite “capacity”, which relates to size of a firm counting for one fourth of the score, some smaller firms, such as S&R Associates with only 70 lawyers ("S&R in particular is a superb practice with top-level mandates, some on a par with AZB”, according to RSG), managed to make it to eighth position just 0.6 points below Luthra & Luthra, which has 350 lawyers and dropped two positions to seventh place as the lowest ranked of the Big Seven firms

Talwar Thakore & Associates, a firm of only 36 lawyers, was ranked 14th this year, from 10th last year as the smallest ranked firm in the top 30.

RSG commented:

The split of Amarchand Mangaldas into two law firms, each respectively led by one brother, has led to a shift in India’s premier firms. AZB & Partners secured the top spot as India’s best law firm. Overall it came out on top when assessed against RSG’s four indicators of capacity, profile and reputation, quality of work and client satisfaction, doing particularly well on client satisfaction, quality of work and reputation. There is a sense among senior clients that at the current moment, there is more continuity within the firm and its commitment to quality is giving it a ‘Cravath-like’ reputation.

However, the market is potentially still fluid and clients did note though that as the market settles down, the pecking order will most likely reshuffle again.

Khaitan holds its spot in the top ranks but a significant mover up the ranking is Trilegal. It now holds fifth place ahead of JSA. Overall, it received the highest client satisfaction scores of the top firms but, in terms of reputation, the Indian corporate establishment still perceives it as challenger brand. Significantly, it was the one firm not to be affected by any partner losses during the period of musical chairs that followed the Amarchand split. It was a net beneficiary in terms of lateral partners.

Climbers

The firms with the greatest jump in rankings were Lakshmikumaran & Sridharan, with 342 lawyers and a score of 24.1 (versus only 163 lawyers and a score of 21.5 in 2015 - opened a London office and “benefitted hugely from the introduction of the GST”, according to RSG); and Link Legal India Law Services ("does not have a high profile in the Indian legal market, Link Legal is a potential dark horse that could do very well”, according to RSG), whose headcount rocketed from 154 lawyers from 94 two years ago, in-part helping with its climb from 30th to 17th place.

HSA Advocates grew from 69 lawyers in 2015 to 112 lawyers in 2017, accompanied by a rise in the rankings to 20th from 25th two years ago.

Nishith Desai Associates (23.9 score and 82 lawyers) climbed from 12th to 10th place, while Kochhar & Co improved from 14th to 11th position.

IndusLaw jumped 10 places to 23rd with 108 lawyers, nearly double its headcount of 62 two years ago, while ALMT Legal went up nine to 27th this year (despite headcounts at ALMT reducing slightly from 110 to 92).

The three national alliance partnerships of Fox Mandal managed to improve on their 2015 rankings from 28th to 24th position, with headcounts apparently having risen from 131 lawyers to 216, according to RSG figures.

Samvad Partners too increased its standing from 35th to 26th position, while nearly tripling its headcount from 29 to 101 between 2015 and now.

Newcomers

Highest new entrant to the RSG rankings was Veritas Legal started in 2014, which entered in 27th position with 33 lawyers.

Clyde & Co best friend Clasis Law too is now part of the top 40, having made it into 31st place, while ARA Law made it into 39th this year.

2016-start-up Vertices Partners made it to 37th place with a headcount of 18.

Drops

Economic Laws Practice (ELP) dropped in the rankings from eighth to 12th, Platinum Partners went from 16th to 13th, and Desai & Diwanji dropped from ninth to 18th place.

Tatva Legal almost dropped off the rankings from 21st in 2015 to 37th this year.

Dua Associates, from which Tatva was birthed in a mass exodus, was not included in the 2017 rankings at all (having held 26th position in 2015).

Cam vs Sam

RSG noted regarding the CAM and SAM rivalry after the split:

Both firms have been building significant practices in each other’s key cities, Mumbai and Delhi. To a large extent, they have been successful. As it stands, SAM has a better reputation amongst Indian law firms, whilst CAM has a better reputation amongst clients and foreign law firms.

In terms of the firm’s respective composition and ratings, SAM’s senior partners received near perfect feedback whilst CAM’s senior partners were rated slightly lower and more in line with the market average. When it comes to the strengths and weaknesses of the firms, each has its strong points. Clients feel that SAM scores higher than CAM in its service and expertise, but CAM outperforms SAM in its modern and commercial approach with a focus on risk-taking and new ideas.

It should be stressed that despite these differences, both brothers continue to be rated as leading practitioners in the Indian legal market. Their different strengths, though, are particularly exciting because it means that the future rankings could be subject to change. Both firms will need to keep their client satisfaction levels high if they want to re-take pole position in the next RSG India Report.

Methodology

The RSG methodology, in addition to the parameters outlined above, included:

• Client satisfaction reviews from 416 major purchasers of Indian legal services

• 50 telephone interviews with an independent control group of major legal purchasers

• Analysis of 256 Indian law firms

• Submissions from 61 Indian law firms

• Interviews with 40 Indian law firm managing partners

• On-the-ground research with Indian law firms and clients

• Submissions from foreign law firms with India practices

• Interviews with foreign law firm India practice heads

• Analysis of major published deals databases, league tables and other available rankings.

This news was first shared with Legally India subscribers via WhatsApp. If you’d like to hear about news before they break, please sign up at the bottom of this article.

RSG 2017 rankings

2017 Rank

2015 Rank

Firm

TOTAL SCORE

Total number of lawyers

1+

2

AZB & Partners

34.4

400

2-

1

Shardul Amarchand Mangaldas & Co.

34.0

521

3-

1

Cyril Amarchand Mangaldas

33.6

630

4-

2

Khaitan & Co

32.8

550

5+

6

Trilegal

29.6

281

6-

4

J. Sagar Associates

29.4

382

7-

5

Luthra & Luthra Law Offices

26.5

350

8-

7

S&R Associates

24.9

70

9+

20

Lakshmikumaran & Sridharan

24.1

342

10+

12

Nishith Desai Associates

23.9

82

11+

14

Kochhar & Co

23.6

192

12-

8

Economic Laws Practice

23.5

183

13+

18

Anand and Anand

23.2

101

14-

10

Talwar Thakore & Associates

21.2

36

15=

15

Bharucha & Partners

20.8

80

16-

13

Platinum Partners

20.3

40

17+

30

Link Legal - India Law Services

20.1

154

18-

17

Phoenix Legal

19.8

75

18-

9

Desai & Diwanji

19.8

217

20+

25

HSA Advocates

19.3

112

21-

19

Vaish Associates Advocates

19.2

111

21-

16

DSK Legal

19.2

113

23+

33

IndusLaw

19.0

108

24+

28

Fox Mandal

17.7

216

25-

23

Mulla & Mulla & Craigie Blunt & Caroe

17.5

66

26+

35

Samvad Partners

17.3

101

27+

Veritas Legal

17.0

33

27+

36

ALMT Legal

17.0

92

29-

27

Majmudar & Partners

16.8

57

30-

29

Juris Corp

16.7

49

31+

Clasis Law

15.7

49

31-

22

Kanga & Co

15.7

43

33+

38

Krishnamurthy & Co (K Law)

15.5

85

34+

Bathiya Legal

15.3

34

35-

32

Rajani Associates

15.1

40

35+

32

Singhania & Partners

15.1

50

37+

Vertices Partners

14.4

18

37-

21

Tatva Legal

14.4

80

39+

ARA Law

14.0

18

40-

39

SB Partners

11.1

14

Source: RSG India

Click to show 109 comments
at your own risk
(alt+shift+c)
By reading the comments you agree that they are the (often anonymous) personal views and opinions of readers, which may be biased and unreliable, and for which Legally India therefore has no liability. If you believe a comment is inappropriate, please click 'Report to LI' below the comment and we will review it as soon as practicable.
refresh Filter out low-rated comments. Show all comments. Sort chronologically
1
Like +26 Object -5 vantage 27 Nov 17, 16:53  interesting  top rated  controversial
how can these rankings be taken seriously when established firms like Wadia Ghandy & Crawford Bayley don't feature in the list. And a mystery firm like Bathiya Legal is a part of the rankings !
Reply Report to LI
1.1
Like +5 Object -1 Firangi 27 Nov 17, 18:06
Bhaiya ye Kapil Sharma Ka Firangi Rating Agency Hai...
Reply Report to LI
2
Like +10 Object -6 NLU Stud 27 Nov 17, 17:04  controversial
All the old school Bombay Solicitors (formed in the late 1800's/ early 1900's) should be ashamed of themselves. Barring a handful, majority have failed to keep up with the times. In a few years, they will be decimated beyond return.
Reply Report to LI
2.1
Like +20 Object -0 NLU whatever 27 Nov 17, 20:10  interesting  top rated
agree about them not keeping up with the times, but when it comes to quality of work just look at some of the shoddy drafts of the Big 5 & then you'll know!
Reply Report to LI
3
Like +6 Object -2 Ex-EY 27 Nov 17, 17:09
Where is PDS legal in this table?
Reply Report to LI
3.1
Like +25 Object -1 Dude 27 Nov 17, 23:53  interesting  top rated
Doing PDA
Reply Report to LI
4
Show?
Like +2 Object -4 Fakes 27 Nov 17, 17:17
I see so many law firms who put badges and honors on Linked. That they received odd prizes for being best in several things. Where are they? Don't see them in top 40. Probably, this would be an eye opener - focus on substance and not on flowery award business....!
Reply Report to LI
5
Show?
Like +10 Object -9 Guest 27 Nov 17, 18:07  controversial
Useless ranking by an unknown lady.
Reply Report to LI
6
Like +24 Object -18 Anono 27 Nov 17, 18:26  interesting  controversial
Paid Garbage

I mean niche practices cant be compared to full service firms.

How can LKS be 9 when its essentially only a tax firm, i mean how skewed is that.

my ranking

SAM
AZB
Trilegal
CAM
Khaitan
S&R
L&L
JSA
D&D
Nithish Desai
Reply Report to LI
6.1
Like +24 Object -1 Insider 27 Nov 17, 18:33  interesting  top rated
So, who all amongst this list paid for these rankings?
Reply Report to LI
6.1.1
Like +9 Object -5 Merchant banker 27 Nov 17, 18:52  controversial
Number 2 did.
Reply Report to LI
6.1.1.1
Like +13 Object -3 PA 27 Nov 17, 19:19  interesting
Number 12 did!
Reply Report to LI
6.2
Show?
Like +0 Object -0 Firangi 27 Nov 17, 19:21
Bhai tum kaha ke laat shahab ho
Reply Report to LI
6.3
Show?
Like +15 Object -12 Merchant banker 27 Nov 17, 19:41  controversial
This would be more apt:

CAM
SAM
AZB
Khaitan
Trilegal
S&R
Nithish Desai
L&L
JSA
Reply Report to LI
6.3.2
Show?
Like +0 Object -9 YOLO 28 Nov 17, 16:26
Merchant Banker - tum kahan ke laat sahib ho Bhai.. Aoni ranking dene chale ye.. jao IPO mai ladho
Reply Report to LI
6.3.2.2
Like +10 Object -0 Merchant banker 28 Nov 17, 19:30  interesting
Only one mans opinion. Thought everyone is entitled to have one.
Reply Report to LI
7
Like +11 Object -4 Insider 27 Nov 17, 18:39  interesting
Anyone who knows anything about these rankings knows its paid nonsense. Please attach no importance to it.
Reply Report to LI
8
Like +20 Object -4 Anono 27 Nov 17, 18:41  interesting  top rated
Also isnt it conflict of interest if the publisher is also a management consultant to law firms and those law firms who have utilized the services have been ranked highly.

Ex. Link Legal

Shouldnt there atleast be a caveat or disclosure against that
Reply Report to LI
8.1
Like +6 Object -0 kianganz 27 Nov 17, 22:45  interesting
I'll check whether they also advise Indian firms as consultants - I wasn't aware of that. Are there any other Indian law firms they work with?

First off, no project that reduces law firms to a single number will never capture the full picture.

That said, I have generally found RSG's rankings to be one of the more reliable and interesting ones that seems to include more research than most. And they have been around for a while - since 2008 I believe - and I have not heard any outright credible reports of bias or that it's paid for (although I understand that they sell the full report).

If you do have any reports I should know about, do let me know, will be happy to consider.
Reply Report to LI
8.1.1
Show?
Like +1 Object -0 Insider 28 Nov 17, 00:04
You can be rest assured that these are paid. On top of that, they sell the report for more than GBP 3,000, which is downright ludicrous.
Reply Report to LI
8.2
Like +6 Object -0 kianganz 28 Nov 17, 01:44  interesting
I have checked with RSG on this point, and as I had suspected, they don't really work with Indian firms.

Here's their statement, FYI:

Quote:
RSG Consulting is selective with its major projects for clients and has not conducted a consulting project for an Indian law firm since 2011, and has not conducted any paid for assignments with Indian law firms since 2013. Our only current interests in India is publishing this ranking. We are committed to our independence and objectivity. We have been the research partner to the Financial Times’ rankings of innovative lawyers in Europe, North America and Asia-Pacific since 2006, and we were founders of the Chambers & Partners methodology in 1995, which is still used today.
If you have any evidence to the contrary, would be happy to hear it...
Reply Report to LI
8.2.2
Show?
Like +0 Object -0 Anono 28 Nov 17, 11:35
Well while i suspect the statement, wouldnt they atleast want to put an asterix against the name of the firms for whom they have undertaken a consulting assignment (paid or unpaid)

It is usual practice for media to put disclaimers where they have or have had relationship with entities they are ranking, atleast then we could have some objectivity.

Can you reach out and ask them to do that.

You see, while people in practice pretty much know which firm stands where with their respective strengths and weaknesses, students or sometimes even clients may not and such disclaimers would make the reporting more objective
Reply Report to LI
8.2.2.1
Show?
Like +3 Object -1 kianganz 28 Nov 17, 11:40
If true that they haven't worked with any Indian firms in 4 years, it seems highly unlikely that there would be bias in favour of former clients (and if what you say is true, then Link Legal would arguably have been ranked much higher in the 2015 rankings also).
Reply Report to LI
8.2.3
Show?
Like +3 Object -0 RSG for Trilegal 28 Nov 17, 15:27
RSG Consulting did a consulting project for Trilegal in 2014-15. I am not aware of whether it was paid or free.
Reply Report to LI
8.2.4
Show?
Like +1 Object -0 Noojies FTW 11 Dec 17, 02:23
"Our only current interests in India is publishing this ranking."
If they indeed sell @ GBP 3,000 each (INR 2.5L), wonder which firms purchased how many copies of their report! If one is the Managing Partner of a firm with an inclination of buying one's way in, may buy a few copies to place in your client lounge - especially if it may help put you on the cover. If being obvious isn't your style, perhaps buy it under a sister concern or so?

Think of it from the point of view of an honest hard working firm. It's a difficult market. In today's time of Google, when a client searches for how good the lawyers she's looking to engage are - she does a Google search to find RSG rankings on LegallyIndia, which is as good as a solid endorsement of these rankings.

If there's any error in methodology or any bias whatsoever, it's paid for by the sweat of the hard working smaller guys while the big guys with deeper pockets and better "communications" budgets stay at top.

My Two Cents:
Isn't it time LegallyIndia started its own rankings? Will wonderfully complement your news sourcing.

You already have all the information about:
- hires & moves
- deals
- salaries
- recruitments
- office gossip

1. Just put out a form for submission of info, open to one and all.
2. Assign weightage.
3. Publish news as and when, and a ranking every 3 months!

You can oversee it with the journalistic integrity we admire.
...your [vested] interest is getting people to read it online, instead of selling hard-copies as a "private consultant" is a lot more fair and transparent.
Reply Report to LI
8.3
Show?
Like +0 Object -0 yOO 28 Nov 17, 17:09
Lulz
Reply Report to LI
8.4
Show?
Like +0 Object -0 yOO 28 Nov 17, 17:14
They don't have that much money bro
Reply Report to LI
9
Show?
Like +0 Object -3 Maths 27 Nov 17, 20:32
Platinum Partners went from 16th to 13th..how is that a drop
Reply Report to LI
9.1
Like +23 Object -1 Ganit 27 Nov 17, 23:58  interesting  top rated
Platinum went to 16th from 13th. That's how.
Reply Report to LI
10
Like +14 Object -0 Attention 27 Nov 17, 21:45  interesting  top rated
How can Juris Corp be on 30th??
Big big lie that it has 49 lawyers, majority of the crowd works there as trainee which in my view have not yet graduated.

Even if you count each lawyer working there twice still a figure like 49 seems a light year away.
Reply Report to LI
10.1
Show?
Like +0 Object -1 Ex-Bihari 29 Nov 17, 13:31
Because each Nationalist Desi Trainee is equal to 4 Firangi Lawyers! This is why we dont need no firangi low ferms!
Reply Report to LI
11
Show?
Like +3 Object -3 XXX 27 Nov 17, 22:24
How can Ms Reena Sengupta just come up with a ranking and then name it after her initials? She does not seem to be a lawyer from her bio: http://www.rsgconsulting.com/team-member/reena-sengupta/

It is about as reliable as the law school rankings by India Today.
Reply Report to LI
12
Show?
Like +2 Object -1 Ex Amarchand 27 Nov 17, 23:59
Where is Bharucha in all of this?
Reply Report to LI
12.1
Like +4 Object -0 Scooter- 29 Nov 17, 12:23
missed the payment deadline.
Reply Report to LI
12.2
Show?
Like +0 Object -0 ex bharucha 30 Nov 17, 17:18
feeding the family!!
Reply Report to LI
13
Like +21 Object -1 Dude 28 Nov 17, 00:00  interesting  top rated
KCO is Arsenal.
Reply Report to LI
13.1
Like +4 Object -0 More like dudu 28 Nov 17, 03:47
You may be a Tottenham fan but no need to get abusive against the Atsenal. COYG!
Reply Report to LI
13.1.1
Show?
Like +3 Object -0 Dude 28 Nov 17, 20:56
Dear PAGLACDI,

You don't get it, do you? Kco is at rank 4 - connect it to Arsenal joke.

Anyway even assuming I am a Tottenham fan, did we not kick your candy a$$ to make you play on Thursdays (happy Europa to you boka)
Reply Report to LI
13.2
Like +42 Object -4 AMSS Alum 28 Nov 17, 09:46  interesting  top rated
AZB = Man City? (Bought a superstar, pay the highest wages and are playing in a different league at the moment)
SAM = Man Utd? (Much hated but inexplicably perennially successful. Only a couple of superstars, without whom the club would be nowhere)
CAM = Chelsea? (Stockpiling young talent but rare for them to hold onto superstars)
KCO = Liverpool (Traditional powerhouse, which went through some years in the wilderness before a resurgence sparked by a new manager?)
Trilegal = Tottenham (Thrilling on their day, but just don't seem to have enough strength in depth to keep up their title challenge)

Wow, this analogy just works!
Reply Report to LI
13.2.2
Show?
Like +1 Object -3 Superstar 28 Nov 17, 11:32
Bought a superstar? Do you mean Ashwath?
Reply Report to LI
13.2.2.1
Like +11 Object -0 AMSS Alum 28 Nov 17, 12:04  interesting
No, I meant Pep Guardiola
Reply Report to LI
13.2.3
Like +25 Object -1 AMSS Alum 28 Nov 17, 12:01  interesting  top rated
Some more came to mind -

JSA = Everton (Not good enough to trouble the big boys, but too big to be lumped in with the newcomers. Struggling since the man who established them in the top flight quit)

Luthra = Leicester (Came from nowhere to win the league, on the back of a politically connected owner, but turning into a one season wonder)

S&R = Watford (Been around in the top leagues than people realise, can give the big boys a run for their money but are just too small to make the jump to the top 6)

LKS = Burnley (Squad built on the cheap, with an astute and underappreciated manager. You may not agree with their tactics, but no denying they're effective)

NDA = Southampton (Almost never out of the top ten, but never near the top of your mind. Any time they do well, their stars get poached away. Owned by a non-resident)

Please note that this is not meant to tally with the EPL league table.
Reply Report to LI
13.2.3.2
Like +5 Object -0 AMSS Alum 28 Nov 17, 12:12  interesting
Actually, scratch the S&R one. S&R is Arsenal for sure - Not interested in winning the league, as much as doing things the right way. Have a good squad, with a manager who really shook things up when he arrived on the scene, but now seems to be content in letting things manage themselves.
Reply Report to LI
13.2.3.3
Like +4 Object -0 FOOTIE 28 Nov 17, 12:13
You can categorise the old Bombay Solicitor firms as the fallen giants - Newcastle, Leeds, Nottingham, Sheffield Wednesday, Aston Villa etc.
Reply Report to LI
13.2.4
Show?
Like +0 Object -0 Magic Tomato 28 Nov 17, 12:57
Gosh, you're so clever.
Reply Report to LI
13.2.5
Show?
Like +1 Object -0 Footdud 28 Nov 17, 15:02
BEST EVER COMMENT 13.2
Reply Report to LI
13.2.5.4
Show?
Like +3 Object -0 kianganz 28 Nov 17, 15:21
Indeed - I don't even follow football but I enjoyed (and understood most of) that comment! :)
Reply Report to LI
13.2.5.4...
Show?
Like +1 Object -1 Footie 28 Nov 17, 15:38
Are you really German Kian:-)
Reply Report to LI
13.2.5.4...
Show?
Like +1 Object -0 kianganz 28 Nov 17, 15:40
I know, right?!
Reply Report to LI
13.2.5.4...
Show?
Like +0 Object -0 F1? 28 Nov 17, 16:05
Kian must be a Schumi or Vettel fan!!
Reply Report to LI
13.2.5.4...
Show?
Like +1 Object -1 kianganz 28 Nov 17, 16:11
No, alas not - I'm the worst German ever :(
Reply Report to LI
13.2.5.4...
Show?
Like +0 Object -0 Doner 28 Nov 17, 16:47
Hope u at least like Doner Rolls and beer:-)
Reply Report to LI
13.2.5.4...
Show?
Like +2 Object -1 kianganz 28 Nov 17, 17:33
Yes, those two are in my opinion the wonderful German-Turkish/German inventions... Big fan, +1 :)
Reply Report to LI
13.2.6
Show?
Like +0 Object -0 Desai Bros 28 Nov 17, 16:01
Please D&D should be liverpool
Reply Report to LI
13.3
Show?
Like +3 Object -0 hmm 28 Nov 17, 09:55
Luthra is Burnley (by current league standing)
Reply Report to LI
14
Show?
Like +2 Object -0 Client 28 Nov 17, 02:42
Is it possible to have a break down of points across the four parameters? I think the first parameter of size is irrelevant if I have to decide for a firm, either as a canditate or as a client.
Reply Report to LI
14.1
Show?
Like +0 Object -0 Guest 28 Nov 17, 18:55
Full table for the top 10 firms [P= Total Partners; L= Total Lawyers; CS= Client Satisfaction Score; Cap= Capacity Total; Pro= Profile Total; Q+ Quality Total]

Rank Firm TOTAL (P) (L) (CS) (Cap) (Pro) (Q)
1 AZB 34.4 80 400 8.5 7.0 9.5 9.4
2 SAM 34.0 103 521 7.0 8.0 10.0 9.0
3 CAM 33.6 103 630 7.1 8.3 9.5 8.8
4 KCO 32.8 113 550 7.9 8.3 8.5 8.2
5 Tri 29.6 41 281 8.1 6.3 8.0 7.2
6 JSA 29.4 84 300 6.9 7.5 8.0 7.0
7 L&L 26.5 71 350 5.3 5.8 8.0 7.4
8 S&R 24.9 14 70 8.7 3.3 5.0 8.0
9 L&S 24.1 47 342 6.8 6.8 2.0 8.5
10 NDA 23.9 27 82 8.9 4.5 3.5 7.0
Reply Report to LI
14.1.1
Show?
Like +2 Object -0 Guest 28 Nov 17, 19:39
Kian - please can you try fix formatting and maybe add to your main report
Reply Report to LI
15
Show?
Like +1 Object -0 Hmm 28 Nov 17, 05:38
If one was being kind, one might say that there is a a fair amount of "window dressing" wrt the number of lawyers reported by some firms. Having jumped between the two tax firms listed the ground reality vs. that reported seems troubling, especially given the constant resignations of partners & associates at the smaller one which is actively spending a reported fair chunk to manage PR and legal media.
Reply Report to LI
16
Show?
Like +0 Object -0 NLU Stud 28 Nov 17, 08:53
How is Bharucha & Partners performing?
Reply Report to LI
16.1
Show?
Like +0 Object -0 ex bharucha 30 Nov 17, 17:20
with 5 bharuchas...as well as a family firm could!!
Reply Report to LI
16.1.1
Show?
Like +0 Object -0 Desai Bros 30 Nov 17, 20:06
Bharucha isnt a firm. its a fiefdom (shouldnt even qualify for the list)
Reply Report to LI
17
Show?
Like +0 Object -0 Food 28 Nov 17, 09:02
Didn't understand what you meant.
Reply Report to LI
18
Show?
Like +1 Object -0 Top 100 28 Nov 17, 11:24
The A List of India''s top 100 lawyers ranked by in house counsel and client reviews is out. Cyril, Zia, Shardul, Pallavi, Viswanathan, Karan, Bahram, Ashwath, Nisha, Percy, Manan are the usual suspects on the list. Missing on that list are Reeba, Gautam, Anil, Yash, Gunjan. Just illustrative to show the lists get the headline and key items right but sometimes miss out or misplace some gems.
Reply Report to LI
18.1
Show?
Like +0 Object -0 thehighandmighty 28 Nov 17, 11:53
what is this now?
Reply Report to LI
18.2
Show?
Like +1 Object -0 Insider 28 Nov 17, 12:37
Its good to see severl únusual suspects'making it to the list and getting the recognition they truly deserve.....and some of the 'gems'you mentioned are not very popular in the client community for their lack of business approach....hence they have not made it to this list!
Reply Report to LI
18.2.1
Show?
Like +0 Object -1 Guest22 28 Nov 17, 13:33
Where is this list available?
Reply Report to LI
18.3
Show?
Like +0 Object -0 Mouse 29 Nov 17, 13:07
Where is this list available?
Reply Report to LI
18.4
Show?
Like +0 Object -0 Lolz 29 Nov 17, 13:49
This list is so unimaginative! And it certainly does not keep up with what happens on the ground. Same stuff recycled every year. There are plenty of really good lawyers who take on these so called heavyweights and get their way.
Reply Report to LI
19
Show?
Like +3 Object -0 Blr 28 Nov 17, 12:09
Tell me one ranking agency in this (legal) field which is not a paid one (directly or in Directly). Everyone is working for money and doing business. Last week we submitted deals to 2 international rating agencies and both of them got back to us (through another team though) asking us to do a paid article and also subscribe their journals. Either give in or be left out.
Reply Report to LI
19.1
Show?
Like +0 Object -0 kianganz 28 Nov 17, 12:15
At the end of the day, none of these publications are running charities, and their business model is clearly predicated on ads / sponsored content by law firms.

While that can potentially create an uncomfortable dynamic, if it's handled responsibly it does not mean that the rankings themselves must be affected.

I.e., if a sales team gets in touch with any and all law firms asking for subscriptions, that's simply the commercial operation of a ranking kicking in, in order to keep the lights on in the offices. I'm pretty sure if you asked, most of these directories would assure you that your buying decision (or lack thereof) would have no bearing on your firm's ranking... Of course, I'm not sure whether that always works in reality...
Reply Report to LI
19.1.1
Show?
Like +0 Object -1 Insider 28 Nov 17, 13:12
Come on Kian. Stop being so naive. Other than Chambers, Legal 500, IFLR and Who's Who Legal, all these other rankings are hogwash. Maybe you should try speaking to the PR people at various law firms to get an idea of how these things really work. In the end, it all comes down to entertaining people's egos.
Reply Report to LI
19.1.1.1
Show?
Like +0 Object -0 Insider 28 Nov 17, 15:54
Chambers also has a paid listing, which they say is not linked to the rankings....but we all know the reality. Kian, on Chambers you should do a review on how many of the ranked indian lawyers are alumnis of NLS Bangalore....everyone I know who is ranked is one.....i suspect 90 % or more will be NLS Amumnis!!
Reply Report to LI
19.1.1.1...
Show?
Like +3 Object -2 kianganz 28 Nov 17, 15:56
Yeah, NLS has great marketing internationally - at least in that sense, it truly is the Harvard of the East... ;)
Reply Report to LI
19.1.1.1...
Show?
Like +0 Object -0 Insider 29 Nov 17, 19:22
Well...indian market is not as big as US and hence in some sense the Chambers listings which are largely based on peer to peer reviews are not accurate when it comes to India!
Reply Report to LI
19.1.1.1...
Show?
Like +2 Object -0 Guest 29 Nov 17, 23:37
What a daft and cringeworthy comment Kian. There is a limit to sucking up. The faculty and infra at NLSIU Bengaluru (and that is the proper name, not "NLS Bangalore") is bullshit compared to NLUD and NALSAR. Never hear you saying that. And no, I am not from NLUD or NALSAR
Reply Report to LI
19.1.1.1...
Show?
Like +0 Object -0 SCAM 30 Nov 17, 12:46
Agree. Our firm hires from several law schools and I find the quality of kids from some of these law schools much better than NLS(IU!). Our firm has 7 partners listed in Chambers and all of them are from NLSIU and there are other equally good partners (both in terms of client list and quality of mandates) who are not NLSUI and they are not on the Chambers listings....and that makes wonder on the accuracy of the listings. Every year I do interviews with the Chambers researchers and the typical question is 'who among your peers would you recommend and why'...and the responses to this question seems to be the basis of the listings since most client referees don't end up responding.. So, in some sense the Chambers listings if not paid are definitely fixed!!
Reply Report to LI
19.1.1.1...
Show?
Like +0 Object -0 kianganz 06 Dec 17, 11:29
Sorry for my delayed rebuttal - my comment was in-part ironic, hence the ;) smiley :)

And in fact, that was more or less my point, which I still stand by: NLSIU has had by far the greatest marketing advantage (in large part because of the time it's been around).
Reply Report to LI
19.1.1.1...
Show?
Like +3 Object -3 NLS 28 Nov 17, 16:07
Because they are bloody good!
Reply Report to LI
19.1.1.1...
Like +11 Object -2 Typo 28 Nov 17, 16:53  interesting
The term “alumni” is plural. There really is no such thing as “alumins”.

Guess you must be from NLS.
Reply Report to LI
19.1.2
Show?
Like +0 Object -0 Kia or Ka 28 Nov 17, 13:53
i Agree with what you said but what is wrong with specific disclosures that you are or have received monetary benifits from a firm you are rating.

Wouldnt that show transperancy
Reply Report to LI
20
Like +9 Object -0 Magic Square 28 Nov 17, 12:26  interesting
What is clear now is that there is now a top 5 where there was a top 7. JSA has suffered serious blows after the founder left and Luthra is finally being shown up by its inherent drawbacks. These two are unlikely to recover.

The family and individual dominated firms will always have a question mark hanging about what happens after the main rainmakers aren't there.
Reply Report to LI
21
Show?
Like +0 Object -0 Guest 28 Nov 17, 12:33
dgd
Reply Report to LI
22
Show?
Like +0 Object -0 D&D Killer 28 Nov 17, 13:51
Has D&D actually fallen this much or its due to their lack of marketing endeavours.

Any insider information would be appreciated
Reply Report to LI
22.1
Show?
Like +0 Object -0 Kon 28 Nov 17, 15:22
Offer mila kya?
Reply Report to LI
22.1.1
Show?
Like +0 Object -0 Na Na nazi 28 Nov 17, 16:13
Yes. So all honest knowledge solicited
Reply Report to LI
22.2
Show?
Like +0 Object -0 DnD Insider 29 Nov 17, 17:58
Nothing much can happen to this firm unless they shed their old world mentality and stop pretending to be the ostrich who buries it's head in the sand and thinks that the wheels of time has stopped spinning. Instead of family, the firm should be managed by a managing committee of Partners. Only then can we expect the firm to turn around!
Reply Report to LI
23
Show?
Like +2 Object -1 Analysis 28 Nov 17, 17:29
Kian - maybe you can analyse how the rankings have changed since 2008
Reply Report to LI
24
Like +9 Object -1 Bengaluru Scam 28 Nov 17, 23:56  interesting
Without lexygen this list is like bengaluru lakes without froth....
Reply Report to LI
25
Show?
Like +1 Object -7 Na Na nazi 29 Nov 17, 09:19
There goes the lexygen troll.
Reply Report to LI
25.1
Like +4 Object -0 Throll 29 Nov 17, 15:42
Where is it going?
Reply Report to LI
25.2
Like +6 Object -0 Jholl 29 Nov 17, 15:49  interesting
Forget the troll.. Where is lexygen?????
Reply Report to LI
26
Show?
Like +2 Object -0 Desai Bros 29 Nov 17, 11:50
Now all we need is the down with "Luthra & Luthra" troll and this will be complete post :)
Reply Report to LI
27
Show?
Like +1 Object -2 Bambai Scam 29 Nov 17, 13:18
Whats happening to IC Universal Legal??
Reply Report to LI
27.1
Show?
Like +2 Object -2 Magic Tomato 29 Nov 17, 14:25
Good question. I don't C Universal Legal on the list.
Reply Report to LI
28
Like +4 Object -0 Bar 29 Nov 17, 16:56
Was Dua Associates even considered? This article seems to cause some confusion.

And maybe Legally India should consider doing an unbiased and hopefully unpaid rating of all law firms.
Reply Report to LI
29
Show?
Like +0 Object -0 Guest 29 Nov 17, 17:41
Kian, why dont you publish an article on this
https://www.vantageasia.com/india-business-law-journal/india-top-lawyers-2017/
Reply Report to LI
30
Show?
Like +3 Object -1 Crazy Inhouse 30 Nov 17, 15:48
What a sad rating half the firms are missing.. Wadia Gandhy itni buri bhi nahi ke naam na le.. If i were from there would petition RSG for a rectification... Yes who on earth joined Bathiya legal!!! Its a new unknown species in the list but great going to see new blood but many old firms laa pata hai.

JSA does not deserve a 6 th spot it deserves a spot way way after Nishith Desai.

Talwar Thakore bechara also deserves a slightly lower rating..

I don't get this system of rating it is a complete hoax....

Where is BMR Legal!!!!!!thats such a strong candidate......

Induslaw needs to interchange places with Desai Deewanji.....

This RSG rating deserves severe rectification... its a joke!!!
Else candidly the mechanism of rating is obsolete..and we need to change the technique of giving ratings such that the list makes more sense...
Reply Report to LI
30.1
Show?
Like +0 Object -1 GuessWho 30 Nov 17, 18:34
BMR Legal is DEAD! Merged into SAM a while back.

And who is Vertices, Bathiya, et al? Fly by night operators?
Reply Report to LI
31
Show?
Like +0 Object -0 Jokes 01 Dec 17, 12:27
3 more to go for 100. Come on trolls do the needfull
Reply Report to LI
32
Show?
Like +0 Object -0 Sekoj 01 Dec 17, 15:29
Come on ppl show "Jokes" some love.. lets get this thing to the centuryyyyyyyyy
Reply Report to LI
33
Show?
Like +0 Object -0 Appreciate 01 Dec 17, 16:45
I totally appreciate and am inspired by the top known names in the field. However, I am not sure or even care who these rest of wannabes are. Seen three lists in last few days, one here and the other 2 on linkedin and somewhere I dont remember. I am so glad I dont care about this as I have grown up and gone beyond all this. Was never interested in the rating, dating, mating crap that happens anywhere in the world. Need to live our own life ethically. What is happening in the world is a give and take.
Reply Report to LI
33.1
Show?
Like +1 Object -1 Illegal Raja 03 Dec 17, 19:12
There are some firms who dont get anything as they have nothing to offer (give).
Reply Report to LI
33.1.1
Show?
Like +0 Object -0 Reply to 33.1 04 Dec 17, 20:20
Precisely. You just confirmed its a give and take.
Reply Report to LI
34
Show?
Like +3 Object -1 Client 02 Dec 17, 15:28
Working with CAM is the best. They are modern and solution driven firm.
Reply Report to LI
35
Show?
Like +0 Object -0 Alias 04 Dec 17, 17:08
Where the hell have the rankings been published?
Reply Report to LI
36
Show?
Like +0 Object -0 For Kian/Team LI 08 Dec 17, 11:52
Kian, please cover newly published Chambers&Partners rankings
Reply Report to LI
37
Show?
Like +0 Object -0 Crazy Inhouse 08 Dec 17, 12:27
FYI guys this list makes more sense to me....

https://www.chambersandpartners.com/110/354/editorial/8/1
Reply Report to LI
37.1
Show?
Like +2 Object -0 Too many 08 Dec 17, 14:21
Kian - Given the multiplicity of rankings, it would be an interesting read, if you can do a comparative analysis of the major rankings - Chambers, Legal500, RSG, AsiaLaw and IFLR.
Reply Report to LI

refreshSort chronologically Filter out low-rated comments. Show all comments.