Exclusive: National Law University (NLU) Delhi saw 7,814 candidates fight for just 79 places, notching up 1,000 more applications than last year, while 60 per cent of its next intake will be women.
The result of NLU Delhi’s internal admissions test - the All India Law Entrance Test (AILET) - was declared today after having been held on 1 May 2010.
NLU Delhi’s vice chancellor professor Ranbir Singh told Legally India that the number of total applications the school had received this year was 9,000 while last year’s figure stood at only 4,000.
The Common Law Admission Test (CLAT) and the All India Law Entrance Test, Singh explained, were equally competitive and patterned on similar lines.
“The ideal I’ve had in my mind is that the success of a law school is dependent on the performance of its students and the more opportunities you provide them in terms of academic facilities, mooting, seminars, conferences, IT facilities,” said Singh.
“In a span of one year we provided them all of that,” he claimed. “I said, I will provide you the best of facilities and you give me your best performance.”
Singh added that although he was one of the key persons who had initiated the CLAT at NLSIU Bangalore, when he moved to Delhi he decided against adopting the CLAT.
“One reason was CLAT was too new, and the modalities were still not clear, also there were apprehensions about paper leakage,” noted Singh. “Second, CLAT is on the basis of preference and since NLU joined at number 13, I did not want it to receive preference at the bottom.”
This year’s AILET top scorer was Sonakshi Saxena who scored 118 marks out of 150 followed by Malika Chadha and Nayan Banerjee with 115 marks each. All three are pass-outs of DPS RK Puram. The cut-off mark for the general list of 62 at the AILET was 105 points, which was scored by 15 candidates.
Admitted scheduled caste reservation marks for 11 candidates ranged from 85 to 95, while six candidates gaining admission from the scheduled tribe reservation scored between 80 and 90.
Of the 7,814 candidates who appeared, 5,575 belonged to general category while nine with disabilities and 405 of reserved categories contended.
NLU-D vs CLAT schools?
Sunday’s CLAT saw almost 24,000 applicants compete for places at 11 national law schools, although other law schools also accept CLAT scores informally.
In the 2010 CLAT, 613 students from the so-called general list gained admission to one of the 11 law schools, out of 17,300 total applicants – odds of roughly 3.5 in 100 of getting a place.
NLSIU, Nalsar Hyderabad and NUJS Kolkata together awarded around 174 places to candidates on the general list – equivalent to odds of around 1 in 100, similar to those at NLU Delhi this year.
Update 22:46: The above figures explicitly included only general list places at NLS/Nalsar/NUJS, comparing these with total places at NLU Delhi. Including ST/SC and other reservations such as NRI quotas, there were a total of 236 places at the most popular 3 national law schools in 2010, which would have made the odds of reaching the cut-off 1 in 73.
Providing that the number of seats at the three law schools stay the same and assuming that 24,000 applicants pick those three law schools as first choices, the odds would be 1 in 98, just marginally below NLU Delhi this year, which more accurately is 1 in 99.
This calculation of odds does not take into account the odds of students topping the NLU Delhi also topping the CLAT and opting for a CLAT college.
Correction 19 May 2011: The original version of the article erroneously stated that 4,000 students took the NLU Delhi entrance exam last year. In fact, 6,658 students took the exam. We regret the error, which has been corrected.
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NLU Delhi is not as tough as NLS or NALSAR. Since the top 2-3 lists never take NLU Delhi. So the ratio that seems to be the same as NLS or NALSAR entrants does not remain the same when the actual people take admission who are lower ranked.
Do take this into account.
The top 79 students won't join NLU Delhi. Some of them will also get through colleges like NLSIU, NUJS, NALSAR, NLIU Bhopal, NLU Jodhpur and GNLU Gandhinagar and prefer these established institutions over NLU Delhi.
Waitlisted students upto 30-35 will be selected.
At the same time students who get through NLSIU, NUJS, NALSAR etc. invariably go for these colleges.
Varun Bhagat filed a PIL to get all the NLUs conduct ONE CLAT. To prevent candidates from taking multiple exams and to prevent our parent's money being spent on multiple forms (each form costs around 2k).
How can National Law Universities not join CLAT! This is going against the court's decision!
It was observed that in law schools like NALSAR and others the > 50% of students selected were from from families of JUGDES, MINISTERS, VERY REPUTED PUBLICATION HOUSES ? BUSINESS HOUSES etc. (you may verify this by picking up list of selected students in any years before 2009 in NALSAR.
The Idea of introducing CLAT was to make the exam impartial and ensure that selection of candidates is not in the hands of the college administration.
However, as is clear it took away all powers from the hands of Vice Chancellors to liaison and admit students of their choice. Therefore, it makes me curious how is impartiality being ensured at D NLU ??
When country's established Law schools have adopted the National Level Centralized exam .. why is D NLU resisting.
Also, data given in this article seems to be fabricating and playing around stastical data .. in an effort to justify and leave an impression that singled out entrance exam for D NLU is as competitive as CLAT.
The writer is defying a simple logic here that if I am a good student and wand to make a choce between apprearing in CLAT and
The top 200 will join NLS, NALSAR and NUJS.
Do the maths.
1 out of 120 candidates will join NLS, NALSAR and NUJS.
Why are you spreading wrong information on such a popular website?
But talking in terms of pure numbers, the back of the envelope calculation indicates that there are fewer general list places per entrance exam taker at NLU Delhi than there were at NLS/NUJS/Nalsar last year.
We did not examine the eventual choices of the toppers (since we are not able to until CLAT results are released) but going purely by numbers it does seem as hard to get into NLU D's cut-off in the entrance test as it is to get into the most popular 3 CLAT schools.
"But talking in terms of pure numbers, the back of the envelope calculation indicates that there are fewer general list places per entrance exam taker at NLU Delhi than there were at NLS/NUJS/Nalsar last year."
First, this is assuming that NLS/NUJS/Nalsar are a single institution. They aren't, so the statistical analysis sort of falls apart at that point. Put another way, there are 613 seats handed out by 11 law schools together, at a rate of 3.5 seats per 100 applicants, so is getting into these 11 law schools 3.5 times easier than getting into NLU Delhi? No, because you have to look at the individual colleges.
Second, in what I hope was oversight, you've taken last year's CLAT numbers and this year's NLU-Delhi numbers. Please compare apples with apples. On the pure math, its 24000/174 v. 7814/79. That's about 1 in 140 for the top three law schools as a group v. 1 in 100 for NLU Delhi, so not really about the same. If you for some reason prefer last year's numbers, its 17000/174 v. 4000/80, which is 1 in 100 for NLS/NALSAR/NUJS v. 1 in 50 for NLU-Delhi; again no comparison.
Third, if you look at first preferences as an indicator, NLS probably has about 22000 students picking it as a first preference. That would make its numbers about 1 in 400.
Fourth, Dr. Singh says it himself: If NLU Delhi was part of the CLAT, the kids they'd get would not be the top 175 kids studying law in the country, which is why he chooses to stay outside the CLAT. While this particular argument doesn't take away from the statistic, it does render it entirely meaningless because anyone who gets into the top few law schools via the CLAT would pick those over NLU-Delhi, and people lower down would get into NLU Delhi. So basically Dr. Singh is banking on people who have a bad day at the CLAT, or will do something like require all students to register and pay fees before CLAT counselling is over, a tactic that NUJS used till before the CLAT to make about 50K a year each from about 30 students at least. Also, as several comments above point out, a significant number of the best students writing this exam will get into NLS/Nalsar/NUJS, thus making this first list redundant (and therefore making the comparison redundant)
Therefore, while "going purely by numbers it does seem as hard to get into NLU D's cut-off in the entrance test as it is to get into the most popular 3 CLAT schools", getting into NLU-D is significantly easier than getting into it's first cut-off list. And I'm fairly certain that at least 75 out of the 79 people who have gotten into NLU-D would trade their place for a place at the three law schools you mention, or even NLU-Jodhpur or NLIU Bhopal.
Taking nothing away from NLU-Delhi, I think they are (or at least will be) a great institution. Perhaps if they legitimately want to claim that they're as sought after as NLS or NUJS or NALSAR, they should join the CLAT and release preference figures, since that's really the best sign of how sought after colleges are.
To let students from NLS, NUJS, NALSAR and NLU Delhi fight and quarrel and comment?
Or was it because someone from NLU Delhi paid you money?
Since the title in itself is factually wrong, incorrect and misleading, please change the title! I hope responsible journalism entails that.
Or else, please justify your position and the title!
Please see how many students who were on NLUD's waitlist got through the final selections.
The toppers from NLUD join other better colleges. (Please do some research)
Can't you take this simple fact into account and acknowledge that LI has committed an error?
Sorry for the multiple comments (this will be my last on this issue).
This is what you have written:
"In the 2010 CLAT, 613 students from the so-called general list gained admission to into one of the 11 law schools, out of 17,300 total applicants – odds of roughly 3.5 in 100 of getting a place.
NLSIU, Nalsar Hyderabad and NUJS Kolkata together awarded around 174 places to candidates on the general list – equivalent to odds of around 1 in 100, similar to those at NLU Delhi THIS year".
This year 24,000 students took CLAT. Do that maths. 24,000 divided by 174 is 140.
NLS/NUJS/NALSAR select ONE IN 140 which is SIGNIFICANTLY TOUGHER than NLUD which selects ONE in 100.
Please change the title accordingly!
So, in life, when something doesn't go your way, do you always accuse people of taking money?
Is your spoilt little brat ass so F-ing arrogant that for one teeny second you cannot tolerate a goof-up?
Get yourself out of here you little snick.
The title states that NLU Delhi is now as tough to get in as the three others together, while the actual figures mentioned in the text are very clear that we are using 2010 figures.
Would changing the headline to: "NLU Delhi as tough as NLS, NUJS, Nalsar were last year" be better or make any material difference?
Technically, it might be more accurate, I agree, but journalistic headlines by necessity always summarise (and sensationalise) somewhat and in this case the headline would become even longer and more unreadable.
However, I would aruge that this doesn't detract from the principle that NLU Delhi's entrance exam is now in a similar ballpark in terms of competition as the national law schools (notwithstanding an unprecedented rise in the number of CLAT takers this year).
On top of that, I understand that the NLU Delhi test is semi-officially accepted by a few other institutions but not by 11 other national law schools as is the case with CLAT. Therefore it can be argued that more candidates sit the NLU-D test aiming for just 1 law school, whereas at CLAT many candidates would be very happy if they got into many of the 11 and hedge their bets so to speak.
Ergo, I think it's fair to say that this year's NLU D exam was as competitive as the CLAT for the top 3 law schools (last year), and by a tiny stretch also roughly as competitive as the CLAT fight for the top 3 is expected to be this year.
This does of course discount eventual student choices, which as I explained in 4.1 above, are not yet known.
Generally, when seats are increased, there is a lot of hue and cry and LI will prolly get to know about it! None of these institutions have increased their seats!
Now, back the the 'pain in the ass' point:
CLAT STATISTICS (For NLS, NUJS and NALSAR)
Candidates: 24,000
Seats: 174
Ratio: 1 out of 140
NLUD STATISTICS
Candidates: 7800
Seats: 79
Ratio: 1 out of 100
A test (CLAT) in which 1 out of 140 gets selected is as tough as a test (NLUD) where 1 out of 100 get selected? Really?
The fact is this: CLAT is nearly ONE AND A HALF times tougher than NLUD. That is what the stats say!
So the total percentage of CLATers opting for either NLS, NUJS or Nalsar could still be around 1 in 100.
I am not 100% sure of what the figure of seats for all those three was last year or is this year. Can someone confirm?
Of course, I didn't quite compare oranges and oranges either: the general list at NLU D was actually 62 out of 5575 - around 90 out of 100.
In any case, the point the article (and headline) are trying to make about the statistics is that they are very close to the top CLAT schools.
Did you mean, "a ratio of 1 is to 90"? What in the world does 90 out of 100 mean here!!?
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The thrust of this article was to attempt to point out the resemblance of the COMPETITION level of two entrance exams.
One is the CLAT - which 11 law schools admit students through (not by choice, but because of a darn court order), and the other is the NLU D entrance (which is an independent exam, much like the JGLS entrance - which admit students through their own entrance primarily because they realize that they would get relatively lower ranked students from the CLAT).
Let's break this down.
Competition here means - how difficult is it to GET INTO a particular college. ~ How SOUGH AFTER & HOW EASILY ACHIEVABLE that particular seat in that particular college is.
First, this necessarily means that one HAS to consider the fact that so many students who top the NLU D entrance do not take up the seats.
I don't know why this point is not being understood.
Let me try with an example.
If there are 5 contestants competing in an election.
3 withdraw.
2 contestants compete.
1 of the contestant wins by a margin.
The COMPETITIVENESS of this seat -> 1 seat : 2 candidates
Another election.
5 contestants.
5 compete.
1 wins.
COMPETITIVENESS -> 1 seat : 5 candidates
From stats so far,
NLS / NUJS / Nalsar: 1 seat : 140 candidates
NLU D: 1 seat : 100 candidates PLUS several withdrawals.
What's the confusion about? Kian, you need to correct the story!
Because the chances are one in hundred?
The 24,000 kids who wrote CLAT 2011 had it much tougher. Do Maths the proper way and you will now.
For NLS with the 50-odd seats the chances are one in 450.
For NUJS with 80 or so seats the chances are one in 300.
And since the top three have around 200 seats put together, the chances of getting a seat in any of the three law schools is one in 120 (which is still tougher than NLU-D's one in 100).
This being so, the title is misleading and I hope the website will take note of this.
Around 70% students of NLUD would be those who could not get into NLSIU, NUJS or NALSAR.
Last year, All those who got NLS left NLUD. I think one left NALSAR, and 3-4 NUJS. The person who got AIR 8 last year opted NUJS, and went to NLUD and didnt even go to NLS. Choice matters.
But rest of them could not figure in the topper list of CLAT.
Contrary to this, most of the students who are in NLS, NUJS and NALSAR secured respectable rank in NLUD exam.
Rest assured that we will attempt a full and thorough analysis of preferences and cut-offs as we did last year.
Let's argue MATH versus Enthusiasm.
Oh wait. They already tested your math at the CLAT didn't they?
Correct the error please - one in hundred get NLU-D is a good enough headline.
(As I said, it is a back-of-the-envelope calculation)
if NLU D is gaining popularity and importance just in 2 yr....that is good...do not compare it NLU's having 10-20 yr of existence.... success is not math..time will tell..but be sure..Delhi will beat all other NLU's in near future in placement as well as in performance in all field related to law ....your jealous and mathematical calculation itself ....sufficient to prove that..u r scared lot....mind it and feel it... u feeling pinch by mere reporting...what will happen to you if... god give u some strength and open thinking brain
"Nyaayastatra Pramaanam Syaat"
"There shall justice prevail"
NLUD is having this moto for uuuuuuu..... keep ur eye's on them they lll show u their caliber..... :)
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Ok, the final calculation supports our headline even more strongly.
I have gone back to the source materials for CLAT 2010.
Including STs/SCs and other reservations such as NRI, etc:
121 places at NUJS
60 places at Nalsar
55 places at NLS
= 236 places at the most popular 3 NLSes.
17,300 total CLAT takers (2010) divided by 236 places = 1 in 73 chance of making NLS/Nalsar/NUJS cut-off in 2010.
NLU D this year (incl reservations): 79 out of 7814 = 1 in 99 chance of making NLU D cut-off.
So should the headline have read, NLU Delhi entrance now 25% tougher than NLS/Nalsar/NUJS last year?
I think that notwithstanding a big hike in CLAT takers this year, we will see total odds of getting into NLS/Nalsar/NUJS of 1 in 100 or thereabouts, although I do not have figures to back that up.
Does that sound reasonable?
We should have used clearer figures in the original story, but I think it is safe for us to stand by the headline as it is (although I do accept, yet again, that not all NLU D toppers can be certain to opt for NLU D, but that is another argument).
We will do more analysis once the CLAT results are out, you can be sure of that!
All you pompous insecure NLSuites can go shove it, NLU Delhi is even MORE competitive and is the future!
-Not from NLUD or any other NLS
NLS - 80
NALSAR- 80 with STATE QUOTA, SC, ST, PD, FOREIGN NATIONALS.
There are 80 seats in NALSAR.
There are 125 seats in NUJS
Credit where it's due though: NLU Delhi did exceedingly well in the MPL this year and there seems to be a lot of demand for its entrance exam...
one which produces excellent lawyers and Judges or which produces highly paid clerk/officer.for mnc , company and firm ....
With malice towards none. Of course, there are the rare occassions of students prefering NLU D over the more established schoools and CLAT toppers not doing well at the NLU D exam - but these while possible are less probable assumptions.
But we will make sure we analyse the choices and performances of the NLU Delhi exam toppers once CLAT results are announced and report back.
As an aside, an interesting dynamic to consider this year: if the CLAT was really more 'random' this year then we might see quite a high divergence between NLU D toppers and CLAT toppers.
Anyone have any statistics or insight on whether those who topped the CLAT also topped last year's NLU D exam? And how many that applied to NLU D do not apply via CLAT, and vice versa?
I think it's about time you guys accepted that NLUD is giving you competition.
Just to make it clear, the batch that joined in 2009 at NLUD saw students quite a lot of students prefering NLUD over NUJS. And that was only the second year of NLUD's existence. The batch that joined in 2010 at NLUD saw quite a lot of students preferring NLUD over NUJS and NALSAR and about 4 people choosing NLUD over NLSIU. And no, these are not the students who are residents of Delhi.
Can you name them ? There was only one guy who got AIR 8, and he preferred NUJS in CLAT.
And 4 people apart from AIR 8 who left NUJS, and most of them belonged to Delhi or nearby places. Are not they? Then, please mention.
And one left NALSAR.
Rest of them could not make into Top 3 NLUs? That is also a true fact.
Contrary to that, most of students who made into Top 3 NLUs were in the range of 1-250 in NLUD. Most of them .
And to that extent I would agree with Kian that the very nature of the two entrance examination papers would stand as a testimony to the veracity of his statement that there would be a wide disparity between the merit lists of the two selections.
Although NLUD is of recent origin, yet it reserves its right to give a fair competition to every other law school. Law Aspirants do not refuse to be taught by an NLUD student and today those students have made it to NALSAR, NLSIU and NUJS & NLUD. The task is to prepare them well and then it is left to them to take the course that they want to take.
I do not belong to any National Law University, but I was taught by an NLUD student in Delhi. He chose NLUD over NUJS and NALSAR (III List) because most of the students in his batch did so. He is from the II year.
If a person gets NLS there is no strong reason for him to choose NLU-D unless he has emotional reasons which aren't relevant.
I am glad that other colleges don't indulge in such obvious blatant publicity. So misleading.
Ps: 80% of my batch got selected for NLU D in one list or the other.
The least you could've done is a) wait for CLAT results or b) compare NLUD's last year preferences qua CLAT toppers. Sheesh!
and 27 just blew a hugeass hole in the so called analysis.
Ppl do u know one thing. I wont be surprised at all if nlu - d gets a very good placements for its first batch. Ask me the reason. The reason is that 90% of the students studying in nlu - d are the sons/daughters of big shots (Kian if u want u can confirm it with the students there itself. Just conduct a small survey of their first batch u will get to know)and they will be easily placed by hook or by crook.
anyways as many posts above shows that the figures are indeed misleading. It is very simple and again i understand that lawyers make all the simple things complex. It is a fact that the competition is not the same. If I get selected in nlu delhi and nls bangalore, i would prefer nls bangalore if i m serious abt my career and not a son/daughter of a big shot who comes for a vacation.
How can u kian conclude that the competition is the same. this is ridiculous and i think no explanation is sought to provide for this bad journalism. but in India if ministers can take bribe y now kian can take some money and popularity for his site.
so no offence. the fact remains a fact. Res ispa loquitiur.
I chose an admittedly provocative headline purely on the basis of the numbers of applicants vs places, which is a common determinant used in judging how hard it is to get into a college.
Once the final results of choices and acceptances are out, we will do a follow-up analysis.
I don't see why people have a problem admitting that there's another college that is giving their college competition. They would much rather engage in mudslinging than play fair at a competition.
I don't see any NLUD student speaking against any other college. So why is it that the "Top 3" are so insecure?
Face it, NLU D is popular and it's not easy getting in. Your precious NLS, Nalsar, NUJS might still be a better institution, but 1 place for 100 applicants is pretty damn impressive for being such a young school even if some of those go to NLS.
And, NLU Delhi's biggest selling point is of course, who wants to study in backwater like salt lake, nagharbavi or hyderabad outskirts when you can be next to the SC, the country's top HC and most of the top lawyers??
No contest, just for that reason NLU Delhi will win the race in the end and if I had to choose my college again today, I would have a hard time choosing between NLU D and NLS. In one or two years NLU D might win in perception. Wait and watch.
Grapes are always sour for people like you! ;)
and btw, when people get an opportunity to study in the TOP 3, they dont think abt nagarbhavi, shameerpet or salt lake, they just know they are in the best colleges of india. So shut up!
and if this college is that good, then people will choose it ... so the preference list doesnt matter right ??
You can send and attach it anonymously over the Contact link in the top menu or just confidentially send me an email to my email address.
Plus we'll have to check the 4000 and 9000 figures with Ranbir Singh...
Thanks!
Yesterday's figure was due to a miscommunication and we have amended the article.
Sorry for any inconvience.
That ratio is a little bit higher at NLU Delhi right now than the top 3 CLAT schools, although this does not take into account how many eventually choose to accept their offers.
i have friends in that college. they tell me the state of their academics and absolutely pathetic teachers they have. this is not to get a response from someone from that college now to say 'no no, our teachers are studs' but its a fact which anyone from that college in private will confirm ... their insistence on nothing but mooting is also well known ... there is no research activity there ... no research centres ... students are given months off from classes for moots (jessup team) .... is that a good institution? or a college which really wants to do well in moots and acads and research dont matter ??
honest answer from anyone is welcome ... and have you looked at the research centres there, or the state of acads kian before proclaiming sensationally you conclusions about that college ... mpl is not the only indicator .... :)
Now it is a proven fact in my view that RS has paid money to these sites to publish these reports. How come the tone and some of the lines in both the articles are same.
As RS is known to do such things it is no surprise that he has done this. One thing we shld all appreciate he is very good in doing this. Just see wht a significant publicity he has generated.
But the only thing i fear is that these websites and particularly websites such as legallyindia are not fulfilling their objective of providing to us fair, unbiased and independent news. However as previously said how does this matters when our ministers take bribes y not kian can take it. After all he also knows that this is all bullshit and ppl may shout for sometime and then all will be well.
Ppl are still going to read legallyindia. But kian let me tell u and take this as a fact as i m from a student community and i know how much these types of reports are doubting your credibility. the time is not far when we wont take u seriously as we used to take before.
It was ur fair and unbiased reporting only which made ur website and particularly MPL such popular. It is your right in these high inflation days that u also cash in on opportunities but let me tell u this wont take u long way.
The only accusation before this was that u favours NLS over other law schools. Then came that HNLU report title controversy and now this. See i have been following ur website very closely and i can tell u that this is not going well.
YOU ARE LOOSING OUR TRUST, CONFIDENCE. YOUR CREDIBILITY AND POPULARITY IS GOING DOWN AS WELL. I M YOUR WELL WISHER AND THAT IS EXACTLY WH I M WARNING YOU BEFORE HAND. RNBIR SINGH WOULD BE A MEMBER OF RAJYA SABHA IN SOME TIME. YOU WILL BE THE ONE SUFFERING. BEWARE!
But at the outset I should correct your misapprehension, which is clearly caused by a lack of understanding of how journalism works (also, your idea of "proven fact" is a very loose one at best).
So here goes an unprecedented, uncensored behind-the-scenes look at the newsroom.
NLU Delhi sent out a press release last night about their admission test. The initial release looked a little boring to be honest and we were considering not running a story at all.
Then we looked into the figures a little more deeply, particularly the statistics of places per applicant, which worked out to a very similar ratio to what they are at top CLAT schools.
So, after Neha spoke to Ranbir Singh, we wrote the most interesting story and angle possible with the materials and facts available.
As I admitted before, the headline may have been guilty of sensationalism, but that is also the purpose of headlines.
Who would read a story called: '70 students pass the NLU Delhi admissions test'? And why would such a story matter to anyone?
Our job as journalists is to report the facts fairly, accurately and in an interesting manner. Plus, we like challenging the status quo and expectations at times, and making our readers think.
As you point out, we get suspected when we write about NLS to be taking money from NLS or being NLS alumni (both untrue). When we write about NUJS we get blamed for favouring that school, when we write about a law firm too much people suspect that we take money from them. Is there any way we can win here, except to shrug off the blame and repercussions and still attempt to write the best, most accurate and most interesting story possible?
And contrary to how corrupt everyone here seemingly assumes the India to be, to date we have never been offered money to surreptitiously write a news story. Nor have we ever solicited any of this kind of stuff and made it very clear (and just maybe that is also why no one has asked us). Finally, being completely blunt, knowing the Indian online market quite well now, even if we wanted to, the revenues from this kind of stuff would be very unexciting too and not worth the loss in credibility.
I can't speak for the big national newspapers or others in the legal space, but these are Legally India's views.
I do welcome your response, as ever.
Have portions of India's youth become so scarred and jaded by all the high-profile and petty corruption around that all belief in a clean world has gone and been replaced by paranoia?
(Or have I just been trolled?)
We are just cynical bastards, you see. Also it's very hot in India. Given that most of us are at home and are rich spoilt brats with ACs at home we are chillin like villi'ns and starting a comment war on LI. Nice pastime.
It was a kind of argument i made when i wrote that if ministers can take bribe y not kian to make my argument forceful and acceptable to the readers mixing it with sarcasm.
my real point is that all of us know how RS works. Probably if this was for some other college then this debate might not have been started but here it is imperative.
I wish u all the best in all your endevaours but the truth is that yes LI is loosing its credibility. BEWARE!
If u did all this to sensationalize then u won!
But u have obviously paid the cost of this unworthy publicity.
Very soon i will give u a very interesting piece of information with evidence. This will be worthy of all the good publicity.
1. If the problem is paper leakage, is he saying that papers were leaked in this CLAT? Or is he implying that other law schools are ok with it? If not, then this isn't a valid reason.
2. If he feels NLU Delhi is as good, then the preference list doesnt matter. Why did he cite it as a reason? And when every other college is ready to go into the preference list and possibly come out at the bottom, what is his special reason for excluding his college?
3. The reason for CLAT was to make the fee less for applicants and have lesser exams. The CJI said this. He's going directly against that.
Like the last person said. Responsible journalism. If you aren't paid for these articles and there is no bias - go ahead and ask these simple questions. Or leave us to draw our conclusion as to where this article comes from.
As all of you are aware ww have another law institute of rich ppl - the reat JGLS.
Ranbir Singh and C Raj (VC of JGLS) both of them are conspiring against the 11 NLUs. I can tell you all one inside information. These two ppl are the ones who [...]
Oh yeah.
I made it to NUJS last year.
We have at least two guys who made it to NALSAR last year.
We have last year's CLAT AIR-8 here.
Most others got through to someplace in CLAT.
So yeah,
The top 3 are cool,
But we guys here have cleared that exams too.
He sent out a press release and these websites like LegallyIndia and others published it!
Wow!
Leave making people understand..they will keep barking whatever you do..You are doing amazingly well..
Also teaching faculty is one of the most important criteria on which a law school should be judged. At present, almost all the law school are suffering with the same problem of adequate and quality teaching faculty. PhDs and LLMs also fail to prove good teaching staffs in these colleges. Thus, a proper survey in these regard would rather, better help in judging law school. Library and internet facilities are undeniable necessaries of progressive law schools. Thus, the law schools which provide regular and proper library and internet facilities ensure a lot of future quality of students. Global and national exposure of the college venue is another genuinely important consideration. And truly speaking, the guest faculties and university committee HI-FIs and Chancellors do not really matter (excluding Vice Chancellor who rather plays a pivotal role in success of the University Administration).
ONE HAS TO MAKE A SOUND CHOICE WHICH CAN AND SHOULD NEVER DEPEND UPON SUCH WORTHLESS AND UNREGULATED OPEN FORUM DISCUSSIONS.
ACTUALLY, IT DOES NOT YIELD TO A HEALTHY AND HELPFUL DISCUSSION TO DISCUSS NUMBER OF STUDENTS APPLYING FOR ANY LAW SCHOOL, A CLEAR MAJORITY APPLIES FOR THEM BECAUSE THE REST IN THE MAJORITIES ARE APPLYING. PLEASE DO NOT GET BOGGLED BY SUCH UNWORTHY NEWS REPORTING. THEIR AIM IS POPULARITY, WHICH THEY ACHIEVE BY OUR UNWORTHY FOLLOW UPS.
honest answer from anyone is welcome ... and have you looked at the research centres there, or the state of acads kian before proclaiming sensationally you conclusions about that college ... mpl is not the only indicator .... :)"
So much so for spreading frivolous rumors about NLUD just to prove your damned point. If you belong to those BIG 3 Colleges, bring me any student who could say that EVERY TEACHER there is STUD. Moreover, as you must have knowingly left out, there exists a crisis in the Legal Education Industry. So if you can't get the best of teachers in Delhi, assume how many could you possibly get in other places. Mr. Ranbir Singh has picked the best names from NALSAR, "Ask them", not the new crop, but those who have already been placed. Names such as Ruhi Paul, Late Professor and Registrar Mr. Ghanshyam Singh are pertinent instances. Moreover, they also have good teachers from NLUJ such as Dr. Amar Singh, Dr. Seshan Radha and Dr. Jeet Singh Maan. Furthermore, like Mr. shamnad Basheer, the sole appointed lecturer Emeritus by the BCI is Professor Dr. Anju Vali Tikoo who has been the head of Criminology Department of the Delhi University for more than two decades.
Seriously man. get your facts right, before basing your opinion on the dictums espoused by your "Learned Friends".
Moreover, as far as the winning Jessup team goes, they have been banned by the MCC for one complete year, not to participate in any Moot Court Competitions. No respite was given to them in terms of their examination schedules, and their GPA has fallen way below 4 on 8.
As far as researching skills are concerned, they did not have a senior batch to plagiarize projects from, unlike other NAtionals. Furthermore, I have also heard students who are barely in their second Year who are writing books on the new Matrimonial Laws. So PLEASE get your facts right, instead of speaking for the heck of it.....
And the Late [...], well no disrespect to his memory; he was a good disciplinarian no doubt, teacher? well that is debatable. And also the slight problem of him having passed away. Again, may his soul rest in peace.
So anyway, definitely not the best names (or the second best or the thrid or... well you get the point) from Nalsar have been picked by Ranbira.
www.jgls.edu.in/Faculty/Index.aspx
Anyone can write a book!
Actually everyone in NLUD should write a book since they are captured, chained convicts who can go out of the Jail like campus only in the evenings from 4-6 in the evening!
Haha! So what do you do for the rest of your time? You write a book! Most of our freedom fighters wrote while in Jail. NLUD students should also write a book! All of them!
Tell me one thing: Why is Ranbir Singh so restrictive, authoritative and paternalistic so as to allow young students venture out of the campus only 4-6 in the evening? ANSWER THIS!
Commenting is good... but do not involve teachers and VCs in it... This weakens ones arguments... Rest... everyone should remember that for getting best of education and mooting skills, one has to sacrifice on minor fronts... Otherwise every university or college would have been best... Truly speaking try visiting NLUD for academic and mooting purpose and you will see the difference....
You calculated all this?
Stop fighting guys, chill! Turn on your ACs. We tend to get all worked up when its this hot!
PS- may this world be happy!
A wise and very successful man by the name of Kian Ganz said this:
"My main piece of advice would be not to stress too much about which law school you get into as long as it is in a decent location where you wouldn’t mind spending five years and that has a strong student community".
"Much of the rest is up to you and how much initiative you show in college – a majority of what you take out of college will be about whom you meet, befriend and what you do with it, not what the university spoonfeeds you or how nice your hostels are".
"Take GLC Mumbai, for example, which as an institution arguably provides far less than any other law school. But students have made it what it is and continue to be successful".
"In fact, the same goes for any national law school too. While a decent level of teaching and infrastructure exists, students seem far more active and involved in almost every facet of campus life than at most UK or US universities for example".
Since NLS conducted the first CLAT, NLUD and NLSIU must have shared some letters.
Imagine this: 6 more NLUs get created. All have separate exams. Won't this lead to the beforeCLAT like situation of multiple exams. This was what Varun Bhagat fought against. And he won!
I asked you to ask Ranbir Singh 3 simple questions, or leave us to draw our own conclusion as to the source of this article.
Dignify it with a response if you deem it worthy?
@ Kian
wats dat? How can your website be so cheap ? Can advertise anything for money?
So why exactly are these kinds of comments by lame-ass frustrated souls being tolerated here?
NLUD is a fantastic place as are all other top law colleges. This vitriolic, unsubstantiated nonsense from students in the best law schools of the country is ridiculous. Try acting like you deserve to be at the great college where you are. Extremely irrelevant debate. 236/24000 works out to ROUGHLY (that's the bloody point) the same number as 79/7900. Both denominator are ROUNDED figures. Height of silliness and arrogance, why be lawyers if you fancy yourself to be pseudo-mathematicians?
2. This debate, regarding whether it is just as difficult to make into NLUD as it is get through "Top Three" of clat, is frivolous, unreasonable and naive.
You have an aversion to advertising but I couldn't help but notice that you have left no stone unturned in promoting your projects time and again. You are a very gifted individual but I hate to point out that when it comes to NUJS, you get really touchy. So, don't question NLUD's marketing campaign when you yourself fill people's inboxes and facebook feed with updates of your latest endeavors. An example of which would be your comment here "we at infocracy india", seriously dude, even you know that selling a brand is important, so why berate NLUD at every chance you get. And I am sure you know people in NLUD who chose not to join NUJS, so don't question the stats, I can email you individual results to prove that the second batch does infact have a large number of people who left top four CLAT colleges. So really, all your ridicule and sarcasm is uncalled for.
1. I do not have an "aversion" to advertising. Actually I so very love it that I might make it a profession!
2. I am touchy about NUJS, like nearly every student is about his/her college.
3. I have never 'berated' NLUD. Well, berated even isn't the correct word. It should have been 'maligned'?
Anyway, if you think filing an RTI application against it is a way of 'maliging' someone (as we at Infocracy India would do with NLU Orrisa) too, you may be pleased to know that we at Infocracy India have also filed an RTI application against NUJS.
4. You may unsubscribe yourself from my Facebook feed.
5. Infocracy India has students from a dozen law schools and not only NUJS. Infocracy India is not NUJS's initiative.
WE AT INFOCRACY INDIA have filed an RTI application against NUJS too (repeating myself). The information will be shared soon.
6. I know very few people who chose NLUD over NUJS (at least in my batch). People I know did that because they are from Delhi.
At the same time (read it carefully mister), I believe it makes no difference which college you join, provided its a good institution.
Also, I believe that after NLSIU, NLUD has perhaps had the strongest beginnings as a law school.
7. What you consider 'ridicule' and 'sarcasm', is 'fun' for me. It might get people to frown like a pug but I am not here to write research papers.
BTW...Pug reminds me of..."You and I...in this beautiful world".
mr poet, you are too good :D
Quoting Sidhanth:
Obviously tht's y he is mr poet!
Instead look at the odds of getting into NLSIU 80/17300*100= around 1 student out of every 200.
Use common sense morons
The CLAT do not place the institutes as per there caliber to train and develop the law pupil but on the basis of their year of establishments,so it was a genius decision of The NLU,D to conduct a seprate test named AILET for the admissions to NLU,D.
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