GNLU Gandhinagar has claimed it has not been sent an official copy of the law school’s first review commission’s report,which was co-authored and submitted by Prof Madhava Menon in January, but has formally responded to criticism contained in the report.
The “inter memo” was submitted by GNLU’s acting registrar and dean of academic affairs to its vice chancellor (VC) and director Bimal Patel on 10 May. [Download and read GNLU’s full seven-page response here]
It asserted that the review commission interacted with its faculty for “hardly an hour”, that no “structured questionnaire” was addressed to the faculty and that no “formal meeting” was called by the commission with administrative staff.
They added that they could not comment on the memorandum submitted to the commission by students, listing a variety of grievances, because they had not seen a copy.
Missing inaction
Patel wrote in an email to Legally India on Wednesday, 22 May that “GNLU Office has not received as of today any report of the Review Commission from any authority - i.e. Hon'ble Visitor or Chair Review Commission”. Instead, he said by phone that he only became aware of the report after it was first published on legal blog Stripped Law and later on Legally India. He wrote: “Based on the document available on your website, we had internal deliberations. Faculty and staff had submitted a combined memo to me, a copy of which is attached herewith for your kind perusal and information.”
However, NLSIU Bangalore and NUJS Kolkata founding vice chancellor Menon told Legally India yesterday that he and former Law Commission of India member HC Dholakia had signed and submitted the final version of GNLU’s first ever review commission report to the law school in January. The report was final and not a draft, even without the signature of the commission’s third member, former IIM Ahmedabad director Bakul Dholakia.
Patel responded to Legally India that he would request an official copy of the report from GNLU’s visitor.
Charges
Menon and HC Dholakia’s report raised concerns, amongst others, about the manner of appointment of Patel to the post of director at the law school, his manner of penalising students, recommending a student representative body to allow students to air grievances more effectively.
The report had also raised issues of academic and administrative deficit, unnecessarily stringent attendance and examination rules, and the lack of grievance redressal mechanisms at the law school, as reported by Legally India.
Rebuttal
GNLU’s response, signed by academic affairs dean Udayakumara Ramakrishna and registrar-in-charge Dolly Jabbal, claimed that the college had made regular efforts to recruit professors and a full-time registrar and restructured its courses. They also wrote that the college conducts regular performance appraisals for its faculty, has fortnightly faculty meetings, invites visiting professors every semester, and reaches out to mentor and counsel students.
The memo highlighted the existence of a “17-point Research-Based Teaching University Agenda”, and a “Performance Management Appraisal System”, and the availability of mentors to all years and “not just the needy first two years”.
The memo added that faculty at GNLU were “extremely passionate about teaching”, faculty meetings “stretching to more than three hours on occasion” were a fortnightly routine, there was no communication gap between the director and the faculty members.
In respect of the report’s noted issues surrounding discipline and frequent fining of students by the administration, the memo stated that Patel visited the hostels every few weeks “to have a first-hand feel” of student problems, while an email group was “accessible to all students for bringing any hostel, mess, security, campus related issues. Their problems are redressed through open hour session and by email”.
It added that the university strictly followed the Bar Council of India (BCI) norms on attendance. Explaining that there has been an absence of suitable candidates for the full-time registrar post, it asserted that other universities also followed a similar policy of appointing senior faculty members to the post.
The memo also noted that GNLU was “the 9th lowest fee charging national law university”, and that fees were its major revenue component since it did not receive a recurring grant.
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The "inter-memo" (hereinafter, the "Bu11$hi+ Doc") is full of technical arguments and displays an obvious lack of understanding of the principle that procedure is only a handmaid of justice. If Mr. Menon says he submitted a "final" report in January, how can the Bu11$hi+ Doc claim that the GNLU admin has not seen a copy of Dr. Menon's report? Also, inability to comment on the memo submitted by the students establishes that the GNLU admin. is eager to fight its students and not interested in addressing their concerns as a matter of priority. The Bu11$hi+ Doc does not say that the GNLU admin. is taking steps to address the students' concerns - instead, it is covering the GNLU admin's @$$. It is also surprising to note that the GNLU admin has made no effort to review the students' memo. Further, it is laughable to expect that the students would provide a copy to the GNLU admin. They rightly submitted their grievances to Dr. Menon, whose report has captured the issues. From a legal perspective, since when does a complainant provide a copy of the FIR/ court complaint to the criminal? Lolz. In any case, my GNLU friends have told me that the GNLU students have raised all their issues with the GNLU admin many times previously. Many students have had to pay a heavy price for disagreeing with the autocratic and arbitrary GNLU admin. Of course, even NLSIU has displayed a similar attitude of intolerance towards criticism by firing its alumnus-turned-faculty Sid Chauhan. Its a dark hour for all NLUs and we are all sliding because of this attitude. These lawschools are supposed to provide an environment where debates, questions, criticism and accountability prevails as the Basic Structure. The [...] VCs, registrars and deans are pulling down the advancement of NLUs and these narrow minded [...] need to be summarily fired from their posts to save the day. This isn't a joke - every lawschool has suffered at some point of time because of such autocratic and narrow minded creatures who lack reasoning, tolerance, conscience, morals and commitment to the advancement of legal education. The likes of Dr. Menon (NLSIU Founder Director) and Dr. Mitra (NLSIU Director turned NLUJ Founder VC) are sorely required. The lawschools need to operate on the Basic Structure, which is eroding fast and gobbled up by today's [...]
I have every sympathy for GNLU students and its alumni who are repeatedly embarrassed by the powers-that-be at GNLU. I know from my GNLU friends that the administration is absolutely crappy, full of nepotism and arbitrariness, devoid of powers of reasoning and unashamed of taking technical stands to save its hide when the heat is turned on. Absolutely an oligarchy. What a shame. This country can use another good NLU but the State of Gujarat has failed in creating a stellar institution.[...] The guy should be fired. Just take a poll of the students. After all, the students are the biggest stakeholders, they are paying high fees and getting very poor service.
I am afraid every lawschool may face such situation if the enabling statutes are not amended to empower the student body. Everywhere, the faculty is undoing all the efforts of the students. Bloddy hell. God save Indian legal education!
Oh wait, God has given up. Only the proposed statutory amendment can save the Basic Structure.
A lawyer who narrowly missed getting raped by these creatures and has always fought these creatures. I am proud to look back and remember telling these creatures to sod off on their face without caring about their powers. My college trained me well. These creatures could do me no harm. But they did harm my college and other students. I heart goes out to GNLU students and the CLAT 2014 aspirants. GNLU will mess up CLAT and seat allocations for sure and rely on technical arguments for its incompetence and corruption.
@ GNLU students:
File a writ and demand powers for yourself and an effective mechanism that will ensure accountability. Demand scrutiny of all arbitrary appointments and biased evaluations. You will be tomorrow's lawyers. Try and fight this through legal means. Stick together - that way no one can harm you (much). Seek advise from your litigating alumni and file a writ. Letters to the chancellor and some committee won't do much good in a country where the Verma report gathers dust. Put it on the chancellor's plate in his capacity as a judge. Publicize the issue. There is no shame if people get to know the affairs of GNLU. It is out in the open anyway now. All reasonable minded recruiters will like the fact that you guys are fighting for your rights.
That's the kind of shite that Bimal can come up with. Saying that he's not "officially" received any report! Just another PR prank on all of us.
RTU Agenda
This Research based teaching agenda is entirely useless as most of the faculty members are weak in understanding & teaching the fundamentals of the courses they teach. They lack innovation in their teaching methods and some of them are incapable of articulating themselves clearly in English. What research based teaching can you expect from them?
I appreciate that the University ensured that projectors are installed in all classrooms, but there are many faculty members who still do not put in the effort to make a PPT that they can use in class. Most of them continue to follow traditional teaching methods which are ineffective today - for example, there is one faculty who just comes to class and dictates notes.
Further, most of the faculty members who teach legal subjects do not even encourage students to bring the bare act to class and read the text of the law. Trust me, attending classes in GNLU is a joke.
Only 2 GNLU faculty members follow the case law method of teaching law. Only around 3-4 faculty members have encouraged a meaningful discussion in the class room. The rest just screw around.
For example, I've seen instances of faculty members getting really offended and irritated when some students question their logic or the line of reasoning that they follow while teaching. They are very narrow minded, conservative and they just fail to appreciate a meaningful discussion.
PMAS
PMAS hasn't been of any use as the students/public are not informed about what performance management has been done. Further, there is no anonymity ensured when the students give their feedback - this means that students who want to give original feedback refrain from doing so, lest the faculty members marks them less on goodness / discipline. There have been instances where a whole batch has been marked low in the end semsester exams because the PMAS feedback was critical of the faculty member teaching the course. Also, after so many PMAS feedback from the students over the last 2-3 years, the same inefficient faculty members continue teaching. So, what exactly is the point of PMAS?
I've heard that NLSIU had a similar system earlier and that after their student reps intervened, the NLSIU admin started collating the PMAS data and disclosing it to the students and the faculty together.
Mentoring
When the quality of faculty members is itself dismal, what is the use of them mentoring us? This is another useless thing that happens in GNLU. Every semester, each faculty member is mandatorily allotted certain random students for mentoring. The students are informed about this. Some faculty members call upon the students to meet them. The rest don't care. It really does not serve any purpose apart from allowing sycophants to be at work.
I agree that some of the GNLU faculty are very passionate about what they do.
But from what I've seen, the Dean, Registrar and most of the faculty members are themselves helpless as they cannot speak out against Bimal, without risking losing their jobs. They claim that they may have no communication gap with Bimal, but I'm sure they are lying.
Quoting azaad punchee:
life at your law sucks.. thats the fact.. dont be a pussy about it.. accept the fact and move on.
One World One Love
Peace.
I don't even want to comment on the contents of the letter as every letter is fake [...]. He is known for coming up with various wierd programmes at his own whims and fancies and will abbreviate it into a short form just because he thinks it is stylish. Look at the 2nd page of the reply for example. RBTU ???? Seriously ???
They write that TRA's are encouraged to develop their reading skills. Biggest joke on the planet. He hires incompetent TRA's who dont even know anything about the subject. But they are hired so that they can help him to organize conferences (something that does not require any legal lacumen), For example. the amazingly incompetent TRA who taught [...] law this year. She didnt know the 'L' of Law, but was hired because she could help him organize conferences/seminars/training programes [...]. Such are the TRA's.
Registrar [...] claims, that the office of the registrar has been carrying out its functions smoothly. Hahahaha ! Hilarious I must say ...
The reply claims that there is a seperate email group for hostel matters. Reality Check. They dont care. Students are [...] to Dr. Patel. So many students expressed their concern over the recent arbitrary decision to shift the boys hostel. However, the very idealistic administration ( as portrayed in the report) chose not to reply at all to almost 50 emails sent by students. However, at the same time, Dr. Patel did send some 10 emails inviting people for new conferences and seminars that GNLU is planning in the future.
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No matter what Dr. Patel says, [...] who is running a university which has immense potential.
Here is the truth: Prof Bimal Patel is one of India's top legal scholars. He has taken several initiatives to improve GNLU. He deserves credit for success of GNLU students in placement, moot and academics. The new Research Based Teaching Agenda is a unique brainchild of Prof Patel not seen in any other law school. The goal is to make GNLU a world-class law school.
A lot of misinformation is being spread by some ignorant students who are the bottom of the class but rest assured that the good students support Prof Patel. Harvard and Yale is number 1 because of high quality research from faculty. The purpose of RBT is to ensure that GNLU faculty does this also. Prof Patel has also encouraged students to research and publish.
I would like to ask Legally India why it is not highlighting good things about GNLU like RBT. We demand a news report on RBT.
Dear Child,
[...]
People he recruits do not know how to spell 'government' so he WILL OBVIOUSLY spend our money TRAINING them......
[...]
YOU ARE UNBELIEVABLE DUDE................
Mr. / Dr. / Prof. Bimal Patel probably hires people to praise him on public fora, or it must be one of his dedicated student followers, writing such utter bull$h!t in the hope of receiving a few extra marks.
And yes we demand a report on "RBT" as well. An unbiased one which is not from the desk of Bimal Patel. Which will show you how it has achieved nothing except [...]. Check the trophy cases is the university if you don't believe me. [...]
No.6 don't try to stem the flow of comments here now. This is all because you don't have a proper grievance redressal system. Students are tired of mailing the administration about their problems because no one cares. Which is why, regrettably all this has to be done in a public forum. Students care more about the image of the college since its their futures that depend on it. But it's obvious that students have decided to speak for change, considering the low standard of education and administration being provided. And let me assure you there are many faculty who share the same view.
The whole lot of bunch of GNLU Students possess indomitable spirit of HARD WORK and RESPECT for GNLU faculty, staff and of course Director.
No NLU can came closer to the CULTURE of GNLU academics .. One can’t rupture the culture created by Faculty and Director for one's personal satisfaction.
AVOID DOING Malpractice!
[...] Its high time u realize that your actions are not in the interest of the University and that we as alumni have to face the ridicule at our workplaces because GNLU is always in the news for wrong reasons. And i am sure the students studying at GNLU at present will also face the same issues once they pass out if u do not 'amend' yourself.
GNLU has been in news for all the wrong reasons. All your efforts to make GNLU into a world class university are in vain if you are not able to ensure a strong and sustaining foundation of the University in the form of experienced and sound faculty and efficient and student friendly administration.
[...] I feel bad for all the students who picked GNLU or will pick GNLU. There is no doubt that students in our college are brilliant and would out perform a lot of other students from other NLUs but only problem is [...] It's because of you we are subjected to such bad publicity. You can't get us placements (other than GIDC) or even internships for that matter, at least let us be at peace while we are in college and trying to look for internships and jobs.
[...]
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Does serving as [...] in The Hague (without a bachelors in law) qualify as being a India's top legal scholars?
Very near the top? That means the top students have still not been heard. It is apparent that only a few students are unhappy. These students are the ones who want GNLU to be a college where all students get the top grade (no matter how weak) and everyone is free to smoke, drink and do promiscuous things.
Quoting Anger and sympathy:
Do you have any idea of how strict Dr Menon is? Ask anyone from NLSIU or NUJS. If Dr Menon headed GNLU bad students you would be even more unhappy.
Quoting Sick of him:
Do your research. This is Sir's bio from the GNLU website:
He has prepared administrative, procedural and substantive jurisprudence of the International Court of Justice (ICJ) and the International Criminal Tribunal for former Yugoslavia (ICTY) and International Labour Organisation Administrative Tribunal (Geneva). He has published, edited several books, research papers/articles/surveys in leading academic and international law journals.
Either you are a member of his Administrative Staff (Chamcha) or bhai tu bahuuut aage jaega..!! [...]
Further, I suggest you actually read this so called scholars "jurisprudence". Have you? I have. [...] The rest of his books are co-authored with faculty,[...]Please don't go by his cv, but if you do, then look up each one of the pointers there. [...] [...]
And your words denote exactly what this administration is like. "Smoking, drinking and promiscuous activities." Really? There are appropriate penalties for smoking and drinking on campus. What students do off campus is their own business. As are their so called "promiscuous activities". And whether we're at the top or near the top is irrelevant considering that each of us is successful either in moots, placements, publications or something or the other. It's extremely backward to discount the opinions of those who are not "toppers".
1) Gnlu has made "regular efforts" to appoint professor.!!!!!!!..Are u bloody kidding me...whichever faculty sat & drafted that memo [...]...Dude !!!! "making efforts" seriously?? I have spent five years there and all I saw was best faculties leave nd incompetent nincompoops being recruited. Also, FYI, a friend of mine had personally referred a professor who could have been roped in by GNLU and the response she got frm Bimal saab was that he will keep it for 'future refernce"...........waaaaaaaaaaaaah...!!
2) and all the training nonsense that is there in this memo is because he gets all [...]....Ofcourse u r training them out of the fee paid by students...why not simply hire people who can actually TEACH...
oh well, I missed the point..tht doesnt really count in makin GNLU world class university in THE making..
U lazy bumps @ GNLU shud do smthin about it...!! WE DID..!! u too SHOULD...stop taking shit from someone as incompetent nd useless as "u know who"
It is none of your business to know. You should instead concentrate on your studies. Prof Patel is highly qualified and eligible to hold the post. You must be a foolish first year student. You should ask senior students who have done LLM if you want to know about Prof Patel's expertise.
..Arrey itni bakwas karne se acha hai, you should have let the @senior know from which world class University did he get his degrees from..bwaahaha...!!
@all his admirers and supporters, who have been harking on about how awesome he is: If you all even have a tiny fragment of legal aptitude in your bloated heads, it would be evident to you how surprisingly little your champion is aware of (legally and otherwise), besides matters concerning his own work at the UN (or wherever [..] he was before [...]) The man is barely legible when he speaks!
If a neutral, prudent and smart person holds a conversation with Bimal and Thomas, they'll peg the shallowness of their intellect, and depth of their desire to control.
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