MNLU Mumbai, which had rocketed up the Common Law Admission Test (CLAT) preference rankings in its inaugural year in 2016, has dropped three ranks in the preferences of CLAT takers, while the top six have remained unchanged.
As last year, we have again compiled our Super 30 rank list of CLAT toppers’ preferences first indicative seat allotment list (hat-tip to CLAT mentor Rajneesh Singh for the data).
Our Super 30 ranking is calculated by taking the average CLAT all India rank of the top 30-ranked candidates who have selected each national law university (NLU), to provide an indication of preferences that is not adversely affected by batch sizes.
While rankings have historically not changed hugely in the past few years, especially with respect to the top few NLUs, the preferences of students for younger NLUs have been fairly fluid.
NLSIU Bangalore has unsurprisingly retained the undisputed top spot as the preferred NLU for CLAT toppers, with only three CLAT takers in the top 50 all India ranks not choosing the college (the 4th ranked opted for NUJS, 26th for Nalsar and 37th for NLU Jodhpur).
Nalsar Hyderabad too, with a Super 30 score of 75.9, has retained its clear second-preference, followed by NUJS Kolkata with a Super 30 of 144.3.
NLIU Bhopal and NLU Jodhpur continued last year’s trend and are nearly identical in their Super 30 scores again this year (229.3 and 235.6 respectively).
GNLU Gandhinagar continues in sixth position, having lost only some ground in the Super 30 from last year (at a Super 30 of 366.5 from 339.1 in 2016).
The big surprise last year was the young MNLU Mumbai, which managed a Super 30 of 418.1 despite not even having had a permanent campus, overtaking HNLU Raipur. That slight anomaly - no doubt in part caused by Mumbai’s locational advantage - has been corrected somewhat this year, with Maharashtra’s first operational NLU dropping to 10th space.
HNLU Raipur thereby regained the seventh spot in the preferences, followed by RMLNLU Lucknow and RGNUL Patiala.
Nuals Kochi retained 11th spot, with NLUO Cuttack and CNLU Patna having switched places this year in preferences in 12th and 13th.
MNLU Nagpur - Maharashtra’s second NLU - has too made a strong debut like it’s Mumbai neighbour, coming in at 14th place, ahead of NUSRL Ranchi, DSNLU Visakhapatnam, NLUJAA Guwahati and TNNLS Tiruchippalli (which dropped by two places to the bottom of the list.
Of course, bear in mind that these are only the first indicative preference list before counselling has started, so things may yet change slightly in these rankings.
Also, for the avoidance of doubt, the below ranking is not a ranking of quality or anything of the sort, but merely reflects the preferences of CLAT takers this year, and as such is usually heavily influenced by coaching institutes, as well as by the location or other preferences of candidates.
2017 CLAT first preference list: Super 30 table
2017 Super 30 score | 2017 Super 30 rank | Rank Change ‘17-16 | 2017 Topper | 2016 Super 30 score | 2016 Super 30 rank | 2014 Super 30 Rank | |
NLSIU Bangalore | 19.1 | 1 | = | 1 | 17.4 | 1 | 1 |
Nalsar Hyderabad | 75.9 | 2 | = | 26 | 71.5 | 2 | 2 |
NUJS Kolkata | 144.3 | 3 | = | 4 | 133 | 3 | 3 |
NLIU Bhopal | 229.3 | 4 | = | 106 | 213.5 | 4 | 4 |
NLU Jodhpur | 235.6 | 5 | = | 37 | 214 | 5 | 5 |
GNLU Gandhinagar | 366.4 | 6 | = | 195 | 339.1 | 6 | 6 |
HNLU Raipur | 486.6 | 7 | +1 | 371 | 453.8 | 8 | 7 |
RMLNLU Lucknow | 529.3 | 8 | +1 | 329 | 490 | 9 | 8 |
RGNUL Patiala | 606.3 | 9 | +1 | 119 | 557 | 10 | 9 |
MNLU Mumbai | 697.6 | 10 | -3 | 280 | 418.1 | 7 | N/a |
Nuals Kochi | 711.2 | 11 | 0 | 258 | 674.5 | 11 | 10 |
NLUO Cuttack | 757.9 | 12 | +1 | 565 | 750.5 | 13 | 11 |
CNLU Patna | 786.4 | 13 | -1 | 110 | 744.1 | 12 | 12 |
MNLU Nagpur | 919.3 | 14 | N/a | 486 | N/a | N/a | N/a |
NUSRL Ranchi | 1015.2 | 15 | -1 | 674 | 936.3 | 14 | 13 |
DSNLU Visakhapatnam | 1047.6 | 16 | -1 | 610 | 996.3 | 15 | N/a |
NLUJAA Guwahati | 1085.4 | 17 | = | 710 | 1025 | 17 | 14 |
TNNLS Tiruchirappalli | 1134.5 | 18 | -2 | 240 | 1021.5 | 16 | N/a |
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Super 30 is a little skewed as personal choices play a major role. Rather, I'd suggest that you should do something like a bottom 30. It'd ensure that locational biases play minimum role and one actually gets to know about the final ones who are going to join.
HNLU is 7th on the list here. But if you see th trend for last five years, it has consistently seen cut offs below its other counterparts and somewhere equivalent to RGNUL NLUO and sometimes lower than them.
I'm not sure if bottom cut-off would make a difference, would it?
Someone ranked 460 or 500 could have the same locational bias, which would have an effect on both cut-offs and the toppers in each batch, I think. Unless I'm calculating it wrong?
Cut-offs would also disadvantage larger batch sizes, in that their cut-off will usually be a higher number all other things being equal.
What do you think?
In any case, the difference in Super 30 between NLIU and NLU J is really minor, and as the article mentions, both are "nearly identical", which seems like a fair description of CLAT takers' preferences...
Also, I think it's wrong to discount location completely. MNLU Mumbai has a locational advantage, but so does NLU Delhi. It changes nothing about the quality of preferences, just the quantity. And if a state produces many toppers, who then choose to stay local, that's an advantage to the law school surely and goes into the mix...
But full credit has to be given to NLUJ and it's students for making a university situated in desert wilderness of a tier 3 city one of the top four and highly sought-after university even in the face of increasing competition from universities situated in metropolitan cities.
Anyways, this article is about CLAT prefercnes and I do not get maths, so I will let others battle the "methodology" errors :)
This comment is just a statement of fact; its not about my college v. your college.
Which law school does not have problems and Jodhpur has too, but they are not so grave that one should be taking NLIU over Jodhpur.
The below Bar and Bench link, which relies on the allocation and rank lists instead of some random made-up metric that LI has used in this article, clearly says
Quote:barandbench.com/clat-2017-first-list-gender-ratios-rank-cut-offs/
For reasons best known to LI, despite so many comments pointing out this article's blatant errors, no correction has been made. LI seems to fail to understand that there is no place for their subjective opinion here. The students' preferences, and thus which university is more preferred, are simple objective facts and should be represented as such. This article distorts the reality by only showing the preferences of 30 students per university instead of the entire batch thus artificially making some universities more preferred than they are (NLIU for example) and some less preferred (NLUJ, MNLU are the obvious examples). Any prospective CLAT takers would be well advised to refer to the BarandBench article cited above instead of this ridiculously failed attempt at analysis by LI.
I still think the difference between NLIU and NLU Jodhpur preferences are a toss-up between whatever metric you use.
If you look at the top 30 of both, which is the metric we have consistently used for more than 5 years now without complaints, NLIU ranks higher. If you look at the mid-to-bottom 30, NLU Jodhpur ranks higher. Just looking at highest rank and lowest rank as Bar & Bench has done, is an incomplete analysis and doesn't provide a full picture either.
And us randomly changing our metric this year to specifically give NLU Jodhpur a higher 'preference' ranking would be bias. Similarly, us taking the bottom 30 of each batch as the authoritative score doesn't work, since colleges like GNLU with massive intakes would rank much lower than other colleges with smaller intakes. Short of doing a complex mathematical normalisation of numbers, the super 30 model sort of works in most cases as a helpful indication.
But since you and other Jodhpurians have complained so much, here's a graph of NLIU vs NLU-J preferences that bears this out - NLIU and NLU-J are basically more or less on par in the preferences depending on which way you slice it.
XNLU has a batch of 200; YNLU has a batch of 50 students.
XNLU top-rank: 1 | XNLU cut-off: 200
YNLU top-rank: 50 | YNLU cut-off: 100
XNLU clearly seems like the most preferred law school here (amongst toppers).
If you take the entire batch average, XNLU would end up with an average rank of 100, while YNLU would top it with 75.
If you take the Super 30, however, XNLU would be ahead with a score of around 15 or so, and YNLU would have 65, which would be the more logical and common-sense result.
While XNLU and YNLU situations don't fully exist in India, outside the top 6 or so colleges, you do get situations like that.
I accept that using the Super 30 does not provide a 100% complete picture, but this is inherent in any mathematical model, and alternatives likewise have weaknesses.
Ultimately, the most scientific way of doing this would be with some complex mathematical normalisation of batch sizes and each student's preferences. The advantage would be a tighter model. But the disadvantage would be a lack of transparency and that it would be very hard for most to truly understand and interpret the figures.
P.S. All the disagreement notwithstanding, it is heartwarming to see you respond so graciously, and with such nuance, to readers' comments. This is the reason why the comment threads on all of LI's articles are so engaging and at times as insightful as the articles themselves. :)
I agree the model is an oversimplification, especially for the top 6 or 7, but you'll find as you go lower down the ranks the graph is all over the shop, without clearly demarcated lines or preferences. That is when a bottom 30 calculation would severely disadvantage larger batches.
www.nliu.ac.in/courses/ballb/reservationchart.html
1. The batch strength at NLIU is 128, not 114. Quote from the NLIU's website link you've cited Quote: 2. NLIU only has 68 general category seats per batch (see the screenshot above from the NLIU website link you've cited).
3. Out of these 68 seats, 26 are reserved for MP domicile candidates. Quote from the NLIU website link you've cited Quote: Thus, drumroll we have the magic figure of 42 as 68-26=42
Corrections, eh? Lolmax.
I think the reason for people still preferring Bhoapl over Jodhpur is the fact thatthe concept of CLAT and NLU has only gained popularity in the last few years and people are still not much aware of how good actually a NLU is. People still fill their preference for NLUs in the order of which they were established.
I request LI (@Kian please do this) to come out with a detailed report taking into account different factors, and most important of them being placements, mooting and review by law firms of the quality of students from these NLUs working in their firms. And then we will see whether Bhopal will be still preferred by students over Jodhpur or not.
Another reason I think why students still prefer Bhopal over Jodhpur is the fact that I have seen Bhopal students vociferously defending their institute, whereas I never see anybody from Jodhpur coming in support of their college.
Secondly, with respect to Mooting, I, yet again, request your kind reference to the 'latest' or 'last' updated mooting table, i.e., MPL 7 Standings (www.legallyindia.com/mooting/after-global-onslaught-by-nluo-jgls-nliu-we-tally-up-the-mpl-ranking-damage-with-some-citations-palkhivala-and-more-20170417-8451), and I guess by referring to the table, you'll get your answer in your pretty face as to which University stands at a better footing in terms of mooting.
Here are the results of other six MPLs:
Season 1: NLU Jodhpur-4th,NLIU- 8th (www.legallyindia.com/wiki/Mooting_Premier_League_2009-10)
Season 2: NLU Jodhpur-5th, NLIU- 9th (www.legallyindia.com/wiki/Mooting_Premier_League_2010-11)
Season 3: NLU Jodhpur- 2nd, NLIU- 9th (www.legallyindia.com/wiki/MPL_3_Season_Standings)
Season 4: NLU Jodhpur- 3rd, NLIU- 23rd (www.legallyindia.com/mooting/nlsiu-wins-mpl-4-after-maritime-lachs-asia-20130718-3843)
Season 5: NLU Jodhpur- 2nd, NLIU-4th
Season 6: NLU Jodhpur- 1st, NLIU- 6th (www.legallyindia.com/mooting/nlu-jodhpur-wins-its-first-ever-mooting-premier-league-by-a-landslide-nls-bangalore-nlu-delhi-take-runner-up-spots-20151031-6823)
So, as you can see Jodhpur has always fared better than Bhopal in mooting except for this MPL season. So stop misguiding people with incorrect information.And even this season, NLIU hasn't done anything exceptional and is at the 6th position and Jodhpur is at 9th, so stop misleading people.
Hence, based on just this MPL's ranking one cannot claim that NLIU is better at mooting than Jodhpur.
What is their to object in this?
I would really love to know which tier 3 and tier 4 firms you are talking about who drive our day zero figures. I will be waiting for your reoly.
Source: barandbench.com/clat-2017-first-list-gender-ratios-rank-cut-offs/
Just like GNLU should stop glossing over placements largely driven by CAM and NUJS and NLIU should stop glossing over placements largely driven by Khaitan (although this year Khaitan ditched NLIU :P).
And Luthra is a tier 2 firm, well, that is something new for everybody.
Legally India placement ranking is a better indicator.
When people, like you, can't accept the bitter truth that NLIU is actually better than NLUJ and GNLU, you tend to tarnish the image of NLIU, because that's what is left to people like you, right?
Further take in consideration the no. Of general seats in MNLU..you are misguiding the aspirants absolutely!
lawlex.org/lex-bulletin/clat-2017-preferences-nlsiu-bangalore-retains-no-1-tamil-nadu-nls-last-mnlu-mumbai-7-nuals-9-mnlu-nagpur-secures-13th/13982
Take your post off... And learn some basic maths before putting wrong data next time
1. NLSIU
2. NALSAR
3. NUJS
4. NLUD
5. NLUJ
6. NLIU
7. GNLU
8. RGNUL
9. Jindal
10. GLC
11. HNLU
12. RMLNLU
13. NUALS
14. NLUO
15. MNLU
16. Symbiosis
17. DSNLU
18. CNLU
19, NLUJAA
20. NUSRL
21. TNNLS
22. GGSIP
23.Amity
But that is not the point, the point is that even if someone decides to stay back, that person should still be knowing which NLU is better. He should stay back despite knowing the fact that the other NLU is a better one and should not stay back because of misinformation that he thinks that the NLU he is choosing to stay back is the better one.
Secondly, what about people for whom distance does not matter and they would chose a NLU based solely on its merits. Shouldn't that person have the proper information regarding which NLU is better.
Also, we should stop saying that top litigators of the country did not study in a NLU. They didn't study in a NLU because there were no NLUs then and not because of any other reason. The top litigators in the country in the next 20 years will be coming from NLUs and not from DU or AMU. In fact, even today the best of the young lawyers in the Supreme Court or the High Courts are coming from NLUs. Many from NLSIU are doing great at Supreme Court. Some of these young lawyers for eg are Gopal Sankaranarayan from NLS or Rishabh Sancheti from NLU Jodhpur and many others.
barandbench.com/top-law-colleges-india-week/
I don't understand why all of LI's reporting (in addition to this report, see the day zero report for this year where LI has published inaccurate and underwhelming figures for NLUJ and called NLUJ's official press release's figures "alternative facts" without ascribing any reason or providing any explanation, or the 'recruitment through the ages' report which LI had to amend after the comments highlighted how grossly incorrect LI's attempts to portray NLUD's recruitment as better than NLUJ's were) is so actively dismissive of NLUJ as a has-been or an alsoran. The university and its students know where we stand, firmly below NLS, NALSAR and NUJS, we have no pretensions about the current state of things. Any analysis of recruitment, mooting performance or alumni-partner base (or any other criteria that may be deemed relevant) will result in the conclusion that NLUJ is still far behind the above three. But any such analysis will also show that unis like NLIU, NLUD, GNLU etc are a really long way off from catching up with NLUJ. Even the LI team, if they were to look at the plain facts, would know this. But, crucially, 16-17 year old kids who have just written the CLAT won't, and can't be expected to, know this. These kids rely on reputed news sources such as LI to understand where things stand. Please do them a favour, LI and be more careful with your law school related reporting.
As your amended and corrected 'recruitment through the ages' report goes to show, choosing NLUD/GNLU/NLIU etc over NLUJ could just be the the reason why a 16-year old who doesn't know any better ends up writing CLAT again at 22 (this time the PG CLAT) after failing to land the big law firm job that he would have had much higher odds of procuring at NLUJ.
Would love to know LI's editors comments, if any, on the above.
Yes, you correctly say that we at NLU Jodhpur have no illusion that we are in any way better than NLSIU, NALSAR or NUJS. However, we are also sure of the fact that we are far better than NLIU. NLU D and GNLU.
The reason why I am so obsessed with correct law school rankings is for the simple fact that a 17 year old student who is writing CLAT should have the correct information at his disposal while filling up the preferences. He should be knowing that NLU Jodhpur is better than NLIU and even if still he wants to go for NLIU, that is his choice. But he should be preferring NLIU over NLU Jodhpur despite knowing that the latter is a better university and not because he was misinformed that NLIU is better than NLU Jodhpur.
Also, with regard to placements, I just read that LI is still waiting for NLIU's batch of 2017 placement records (NLIU has also not shared its Day Zero 2017 records). Without such information, I still don't know why people still keep preferring NLIU over Jodhpur.
I think we at Jodhpur need to start vociferously defending our university, specially in social media, such as on facebook pages like CLATGYAN and CLATHEAD, these are the places from where CLAT aspirants get first-hand information from regarding preferences etc. from people studying in NLUs. I see people from NLIU defending their university quite often. Take for eg. comment no. 5.1.1 above, that is a purely factual comment which I made, however still many people "objected" to that comment. I really don't know what is there to object in that. The comment was in response to a student from NLIU saying that they were better at mooting than Jodhpur. I simply showed them that from MPL 1 to 6, they have always ranked lower than us in mooting, except for this MPL and hence based on one MPL they should not claim that they are better at mooting than us.
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