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Pencilled sheets, reshuffledPencilled sheets, reshuffledThe Common Law Admissions Test (CLAT) committee has published an updated university allotment list, after candidates complained about the previous list, which contained errors.

The official CLAT website stated this morning:

“Consequent to consideration of representations with respect to allocation of Law Schools/Universities has necessitated reshuffling based on merit cum preference.

Accordingly provisional list of admission and allocation of Law Schools/Universities published on 28th May 2012 is hereby modified/substituted. It is made clear that fees already deposited with any Law School/University shall be transferred to re-allotted Law School/University.

Further, any clarification/representation can be made on This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it. or This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it.

Legally India reported yesterday that Justice NN Mathur, vice-chancellor of NLU Jodhpur and 2012 CLAT convenor, admitted that the university allotment list that was published on Monday may have contained inaccuracies due to human error and that all complaints would be dealt with “judiciously”.

Legally India’s preliminary analysis of CLAT takers’ preferences has revealed that NUJS Kolkata is more popular than NLIU Bhopal, with the average CLAT rank of the top-ranked 30 students who were allotted NUJS now being 116.5, compared to an updated “Super 30” rank of 185.2 at NLIU Bhopal.

Legally India had reported on Tuesday that in the originally published list, which was questionable at the time, NLIU was more popular than NUJS with a Super 30 rank of 144.5, compared to NUJS’ 157.7.

Full analysis of preferences to follow shortly.

Hat-tip to Clatgyan for first breaking the news, and compiling the individual university allotment documents into one file.

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+0 -0 Raja 2012-06-01 10:58
Even NLU Jodhpur and GNLU Gandhinagar are more popular than NLIU!!!
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+5 -0 Law Student 2012-06-01 14:07  interesting
Oho.. Mr.Raja, either do the math right or don't embarrass yourself by commenting.. NLIU's 'Super 30' Rank is 185 (as published by LI).. and NLU-J's 'Super 30' Rank is 198 (if you know how to do the math).. and GNLU's 'Super 30' Rank is 398.
NLIU is clearly No.4 in the pecking order, and rightfully so (Conceding that NUJS is the deserving No.3.
If you wait long enough, you will see LI come out with similar (if not identical) stats.
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+2 -0 Delhi Lawyer 2012-06-01 14:28
From placement perspective, NLU-J is better than NLIU.
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+5 -0 Law Student 2012-06-01 15:24  interesting
In terms of pure numbers that may be true, and that too only marginally. You must remember that NLIU has a very large amount of reservation, implying that the number of quality students per batch is slightly lower than in other institutions. Keeping that in mind, I can assure you that almost every deserving student from NLIU gets placed. This year there were 18 recruiting organisations. There are around 40 placements every year at NLIU. Bottom line, the scene is pretty good!!
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+0 -0 pavithra 2012-06-01 13:41
howz NLU Assam..?Can i go for it..?
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+3 -0 PR 2012-06-01 14:11
Feel free to go for it if you wish, at your peril. Else you may try next year.
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+4 -0 Lame 2012-06-01 22:47
If you want to advise someone, do it properly or don't bother. Pavithra is clearly an aspirant who is evaluating her choices, why are u giving her attitude.

@Pavithra: NLU-Assam is a new institution. Therefore, its not been long enough to say whether its good enough. However, because of its location, and the large number of such NLUs it is unlikely to become very good. Keeping that in mind, I suggest you prepare for another year and give the CLAT. Even if you don't make it to an NLU next year, you can join institutions like Christ, Symbi, ILS, GLC, CLC etc. which are probably better than NLU-Assam.
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+0 -0 pavithra 2012-06-02 01:58
Thank you for the advice..:):)
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+7 -0 Sad state of affairs 2012-06-01 14:22  interesting
It is very sad that the quality gap after the top 3 (NLS,NALSAR,NUJS).

NLUJ, NLIU and GNLU form the next rung but none is even close to the above mentioned trio.

Interestingly, after NLUJ, NLIU and GNLU the situation gets even worse.

RMLNLU and HNLU really do not inspire confidence.

The situation is this:

Tier 1: NLSIU, NUJS, NALSAR

HUGE GAP

Tier 2 : NLIU, NLUJ, GNLU

EVEN A MORE HUGE GAP

Tier 3: HNLU, RMLNLU

DO NOT GO
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+1 -0 Actually it is 2012-06-02 22:50
Quoting Sad state of affairs:
It is very sad that the quality gap after the top 3 (NLS,NALSAR,NUJS).

NLUJ, NLIU and GNLU form the next rung but none is even close to the above mentioned trio.

Interestingly, after NLUJ, NLIU and GNLU the situation gets even worse.

RMLNLU and HNLU really do not inspire confidence.

The situation is this:

Tier 1: NLSIU, NUJS, NALSAR

HUGE GAP

Tier 2 : NLIU, NLUJ, GNLU

EVEN A MORE HUGE GAP

Tier 3: HNLU, RMLNLU

DO NOT GO


Tier 1: NLSIU

Huge Gap

Tier 2: NALSAR, NUJS

Small Gap

Tier 3:

NLUJ, NLIU, GNLU

Even a More Huge Gap

Tier 4:

RMLNLU, HNLU
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+5 -0 Nalsar 2012-06-01 15:25  interesting
I think NLU-J is far better than NLIU. we can say NUJS and NLU Jodhpur are equal in terms of placement and in any other.
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+8 -0 NUJS 2012-06-01 17:54  interesting
Seriously doubt that mate. 'and in any other' is a very ambiguous term to use.
Faculty, anyone? NUJS has, undoubtedly, the best faculty in the country, something which even your professors at NALSAR (and several professors at NLSIU) have acknowledged. Wouldn't be so careless with my words if I were you.
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+4 -0 Dheerendra Singh 2012-06-02 06:09
Quoting Nalsar:
I think NLU-J is far better than NLIU. we can say NUJS and NLU Jodhpur are equal in terms of placement and in any other.


A nice Reality Distortion Field you've created for yourself. Not only with the first sentence but with both of them.
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+9 -0 Awaaz 2012-06-01 15:54  interesting
NUJS is a piece of shit. It is a self proclaimed tier I law school.
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+6 -0 Peechwadey se Awaaz 2012-06-01 17:13  interesting
Quoting Awaaz:
NUJS is a piece of shit. It is a self proclaimed tier I law school.


well said mate!! these guys generate their own stats when it come to their placement. All those placement figures in the so called top tier firms are also a load of hogwash.. and who branded these firms as top-tier anyway... I think they just went ahead and took a cue from their favourite hunting ground in Kolkata and self-proclaimed themselves as tier one.
And who cares about all these facts and figures anyway..We are the youth, the soul of this nation; if we believe something to be a piece of crap it better be..
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+3 -0 Uh, uhm, yeah 2012-06-01 17:54
Self proclaimed? Really now?
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+4 -0 Uh, uhm, yeah 2012-06-01 17:56
Seriously? So, how exactly did you arrive at that conclusion? God himself came down on Earth and enlighten you?
If you're making a statement, at least back it up with some logical arguments.
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+8 -0 Andaaz 2012-06-01 17:57  interesting
However, the biggest [...] is NALSAR and the loudest self-proclamations come from the NALSARats.
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+0 -0 Le 2012-06-02 08:44
Warning to visitors: Please do not feed the troll :P
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+8 -0 nlsiu 2012-06-01 16:12  interesting
Nah. NLU-J is as good as NALSAR. But NUJS and NLS score better in terms of academics, faculty, recruitments, law school experience, etc - just about everything that matters. Wherever NLS and NUJS lack in infrastructure, it's never too sunstantial that anything is 'bad'. Even the worst of things are 'good' by any standard. NALSAR and NLU-J of course have excellent infrastructure, for whatever that's worth.
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+0 -0 Bruce Wayne 2012-06-01 17:13
Quoting nlsiu:
Nah. NLU-J is as good as NALSAR. But NUJS and NLS score better in terms of academics, faculty, recruitments, law school experience, etc - just about everything that matters. Wherever NLS and NUJS lack in infrastructure, it's never too sunstantial that anything is 'bad'. Even the worst of things are 'good' by any standard. NALSAR and NLU-J of course have excellent infrastructure, for whatever that's worth.


naah!! mine is bigger than yours....
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+1 -0 NLU-J 2012-06-01 17:57
Amen to that, mate.
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+0 -0 NUJS aspirant 2012-06-01 18:05
my rank is 321. i have been alloted GNLU in the reshuffled list. my rank is 8 in GNLU. do i stand a chance in NUJS in any list?
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+0 -0 NUJS 2012-06-01 19:02
NUJS ASpirant , yes u do .. Dn't worry
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+1 -0 Anon 2012-06-01 18:24
Agree with no.5 (nlsiu). Bang on.
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+0 -0 Le 2012-06-02 08:47
now that there has been so much hue and cry about allotments, the organizing uni should allow students to resubmit their preference (like nujs last year), it will bring more transparency to the system and no need for more than one round of counselling for top 10 colleges and perhaps 2 rounds for rest
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+2 -0 NLS 2012-06-02 21:37
Looking at the list, it appears that there's a clear demarcation between the top 3 law universities as well. Law School (yes, there's only one) is clearly above NALSAR in terms of preferences, and NALSAR is clearly above NUJS. NUJS is above NLIU and NLU Jodhpur, but not as clearly. NLU Jodhpur, NLIU and GNLU are in a band of sorts, and after that there don't appear to be any preference (I also stopped really looking after that because if you're that far down, you should just go somewhere close to home and study for the CLAT again, and preferably pick a place that doesn't cost a bomb to study at).
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+2 -0 J.J. 2012-06-02 22:58
Quoting NLS:
Looking at the list, it appears that there's a clear demarcation between the top 3 law universities as well. Law School (yes, there's only one) is clearly above NALSAR in terms of preferences, and NALSAR is clearly above NUJS. NUJS is above NLIU and NLU Jodhpur, but not as clearly. NLU Jodhpur, NLIU and GNLU are in a band of sorts, and after that there don't appear to be any preference (I also stopped really looking after that because if you're that far down, you should just go somewhere close to home and study for the CLAT again, and preferably pick a place that doesn't cost a bomb to study at).


What Nagarbhavi Logic won't tell you is Jodhpur and Bhopalipatnam both end where Gandhinagar starts. Thats understandable though since Nagarbhavi logic doesn't work beyond double digits. [yeah, a backhanded compliment]
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+4 -0 NLS 2012-06-02 23:37
You are absolutely right. I'm from way back when you had to write separate entrances for all the different colleges, and I never wrote the Jodhpur one because I was already in to NUJS. Continuing with that general trend of thought, I stopped paying attention about halfway through the NLIU. I guess, from the preference lists, the only legitimate debate is NLIU v NLU Jodhpur. All the rest seem fairly settled, with the odd maverick going against conventional wisdom.

I'm a little bored, so I'm going to do a little statistical work here:

Below Rank 100, NLU-J has one kid, and NLIU has none
Below 110 (cumulative, including the kids below 100), NLU-J has 2, and NLIU has 4
Below 120 both have 5
Below 130, It's 6-5 to NLU-J
Below 140, It's 6 all,
Below (and including) 150, its 7 each
Below 160, it's 10-7 to NLIU
Below 180, it's 11-8 to NLIU
Below 190, it's 13-10 to NLIU
Below (and including) 200, it's 16-10 to NLIU
Below 210, it's 22-11 to NLIU
Which means, essentially, that for those who could have gotten into NUJS (or possibly NALSAR) but chose not to, NLIU was clearly a preferred option over NLU-Jodhpur. That could be statistically significant, or it could be two examples of poor judgment by the same person.
It gets interesting after this though, because it takes only till rank 240 for both colleges to be at 27 students each, and NLU-Jodhpur has 46 students with ranks lower than the 33rd and last student to make it into NLIU on a general seat. So while NLIU would have a significantly lower top 30 average than NLU-Jodhpur, its actually more difficult to be in the top 30 at NLU Jodhpur, though only just.
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+0 -0 NLUJ 2012-06-03 12:16
The only really analytical, useful comment in the entire series. Great job, [wo]man.
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+0 -0 zhou 2012-06-03 03:40
Some real immaturity in the remarks. Its safe to say that NLSIU is by far the preferred number 1 by miles. That is understandable if for no other reason, than the fact that it has such a stellar brand name. NALSAR and NUJS are difficult to judge and though more students prefer hyderabad than kolkata, one cannot be certain whether that is because NALSAR is genuinely a better place. Anyway, the bottomline line is that those two are close. After that is another large gap. Bhopal and Jodhpur are pretty mediocre and nearly every single student out ther ewould have shipped out if he or she had a better rank in CLAT. It's even worse after that with GNLU, HNLU scraping the bottom of the barrel.

Could LI provide figures on how many NLSIU eligible students preferred NUJS and NALSAR instead?
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+2 -0 J.J. 2012-06-03 08:54
Quoting zhou:
Some real immaturity in the remarks. Its safe to say that NLSIU is by far the preferred number 1 by miles. That is understandable if for no other reason, than the fact that it has such a stellar brand name. NALSAR and NUJS are difficult to judge and though more students prefer hyderabad than kolkata, one cannot be certain whether that is because NALSAR is genuinely a better place. Anyway, the bottomline line is that those two are close. After that is another large gap. Bhopal and Jodhpur are pretty mediocre and nearly every single student out ther ewould have shipped out if he or she had a better rank in CLAT. It's even worse after that with GNLU, HNLU scraping the bottom of the barrel.

Could LI provide figures on how many NLSIU eligible students preferred NUJS and NALSAR instead?


I would have indeed shifted, had NLS for example produced a single Senior Advocate at the Supreme Court after having existed for 20 years. None of the Nationals have, how does it make a difference for someone interested in litigation ?
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+0 -0 X-NLS 2012-06-03 13:10
there are plenty of law-schoolites who have entered the field of litigation and shone. being a senior advocate is not the marker to judge lawyers who have been in the profession for only 15-16 years.
Go and read up a little son, and you'll understand what difference law school can make, has made and will make.
www.livemint.com/2012/01/12220107/Law-education-islands-of-exce.html ( look at dayan krishnan and aditya sondhi)
more:
www.legallyindia.com/201108022255/Law-schools/nlsiu-rhodes-scholar-v-niranjan-tops-exhilarating-oxford-postgrad-to-practise-at-bar

kids, there is NLS and then there are the NLU's. the choice is for you to make.
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+0 -0 Mud Slingers 2012-06-03 14:27
What u does always have to become an inter law school rivalry... especially the 'X' students..
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+0 -0 Please! 2012-06-03 15:22
Of course there are individuals who have done well. But how many, in pure number, or a % of the batch size have taken up litigation and stuck to it? 2, maybe 3 a batch? Kindly pay a visit to the Bombay Bar, NLS alumni constitute a single digit minority. The REAL litigation kids still come from traditional colleges.
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+0 -0 NLS 2012-06-03 13:44
3 people with a rank between 1 and 58 have chosen a law university other than NLS. 2 chose NALSAR and 1 NUJS.

It is strange that there's such an overwhelming favourite between NALSAR and NUJS. From everything you here on fora such as this, and even in popular discourse at various law universities, it appears that these two are fairly even, with several people even giving NUJS a slight advantage. Clearly the batch of 2017 disagrees :-)

And NLS has produced senior advocate(s). it's unfair to expect any of the other law universities to have, because it just hasn't been long enough since their first batches graduated!
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+0 -0 Amaltas 2012-06-03 16:56
Quoting J.J.:
Quoting zhou:
Some real immaturity in the remarks. Its safe to say that NLSIU is by far the preferred number 1 by miles. That is understandable if for no other reason, than the fact that it has such a stellar brand name. NALSAR and NUJS are difficult to judge and though more students prefer hyderabad than kolkata, one cannot be certain whether that is because NALSAR is genuinely a better place. Anyway, the bottomline line is that those two are close. After that is another large gap. Bhopal and Jodhpur are pretty mediocre and nearly every single student out ther ewould have shipped out if he or she had a better rank in CLAT. It's even worse after that with GNLU, HNLU scraping the bottom of the barrel.

Could LI provide figures on how many NLSIU eligible students preferred NUJS and NALSAR instead?


I would have indeed shifted, had NLS for example produced a single Senior Advocate at the Supreme Court after having existed for 20 years. None of the Nationals have, how does it make a difference for someone interested in litigation ?


What a joke!! This kid is either a super-liar or a complete nut if he or she really had the option to go to NLS but did not "ship out" of the backwoods of bhopal or whatever simply cos there are no senior counsel from NLS.

NLS alumni are indeed practising in various courts and doing well. Obviously with the oldest being only 36-37, you cant expect too many "seniors". That said, practice is bloody difficult and it is a testament to NLS that these graduates have forsaken cushy firm jobs to do litigation.

Bhopalis, hyderabadis etc do litigation for lack of options. We do it because we want to.
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