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post CLAT hangoverpost CLAT hangoverThe Common Law Admission Test (CLAT) 2012 committee potentially faces public interest litigation (PIL) after test-takers emerged from the 200 mark exam today disconcerted by questions requiring prior legal knowledge and static general knowledge, despite assurance to the contrary on the examination’s official website.

CLAT coach Rajneesh Singh said on the Facebook page of CLAT prep website Clathacker.com: “Static-ness continues and that too after they announced at clat.ac.in that no legal knowledge and no static. PIL going to be filed against CLAT. some people are going to do so. The case is very strong.”

“Sign me up for it too” commented several candidates on Singh’s post.

“Examiners should be more responsible,” rued one aspirant adding “I want to sue them for my time which I will never get.”

“We should really do something regarding this because our future depends on this,” called out another candidate on the Facebook protest page against CLAT 2012.

25,769 candidates, up from last year’s 23,875, competed across 20 cities for 1702 undergraduate law seats according to Times of India, in the common entrance exam for selection to 14 participating national law universities that was conducted by NLU Jodhpur from 3 PM to 5 PM today.

“CLAT cheated us” and “CLAT can never be trusted” were among the first few updates this evening, on online CLAT discussion forums.

CLAT’s website had stated that candidates will not be tested on any prior knowledge of law or legal concepts. If a technical or a legal term is used in the question, that term will be explained in the question itself.

However questions in the legal aptitude section clearly seemed to flout this assurance. A case in point being a question that stated the legal principle, “majority is not competent to contract”, and then without further explanation went on to ask whether a contract with a minor is “void”, “voidable”, or “void ab initio”.

Other alleged questions included those on the concept of “joint liability” in the Indian Penal Code, and those requiring being well-versed with eminent jurist Austin’s principles.

It was further stated on the website that the general knowledge section will only test students on their knowledge of current affairs: “broadly defined as matters featuring in the mainstream media between March 2011 and March 2012".

General knowledge questions in the paper today on the contrary asked for the year 2010 declared brand ambassador of UNICEF, the name of the “S-shaped” ocean, and the longest Indian highway.

There was a minor Facebook controversy over a question asking for the location of the Akshardham temple, which most people thought they passed in Delhi, while the smaller, less lustrous original version of which exists in Gandhinagar, Gujarat.

Though rants such as “NLU-J has scammed us”, among others resonated after 5 PM today, some candidates observed that the length of the paper was good enough for them to finish it before time.

“I finished my paper 20 minutes before time”, chirped a candidate excitedly.

The unexpected nature of the question paper apart, it was reportedly fairly easy in comparison to the All India Law Entrance Test (AILET) conducted by NLU Delhi a week ago.

According to a latest update on Clatgyan’s Facebook page, a Rohini Delhi test centre attracted some bad press and parental fury when three candidates from allegedly influential families forcibly used unfair means by getting certain non-candidates to write their paper.

Advocates who are parents of other candidates appearing at the Rohini centre have also resolved to file a PIL tommorow.

Delhi reported the largest number of test-takers for CLAT 2012, with 6,113 candidates taking the test in 10 centres across the city, according to Times of India.

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+12 -0 AILET 2012-05-13 21:28  interesting  top rated
Who's the bitch now, eh?
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+1 -0 SET 2012-05-13 22:18
Phew, and I thought my tests were bad!
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+18 -0 Qualified Lawyer 2012-05-13 22:35  interesting  top rated
Forget pre law students, I doubt even lawyers know the difference between "void" and "void ab initio"?
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+2 -0 M.O.R.O.N 2012-05-13 23:10
How stupid do you think lawyers are?
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+13 -0 ADV 2012-05-13 23:18  interesting  top rated
Stupid enough.
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+1 -0 Legalpujari 2012-05-15 00:38
Quoting Qualified Lawyer:
Forget pre law students, I doubt even lawyers know the difference between "void" and "void ab initio"?

you bird brain there is no difference between the two!
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+1 -0 PR 2012-05-15 10:25
Quoting Legalpujari:
Quoting Qualified Lawyer:
Forget pre law students, I doubt even lawyers know the difference between "void" and "void ab initio"?

you bird brain there is no difference between the two!


Well well well.."stupid enough" comment is justified here..This chap really thinks there is no difference between the two..
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+1 -0 Pooja Natarajan 2012-05-15 16:25
there is a difference between VOID and VOID AB INITIO
A void contract is one where for example two people enter into a contract and then one of them goes mad. The contract becomes void.
But VOID AB INITIO is a contract which is void from the very beginning (INITIO) in the case of a contract with a minor.
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+7 -0 Ex-NLS 2012-05-13 22:42  interesting
I really think these law universities shouldn't be allowed to set the paper. Why are we allowing our future batches to be chosen through such incompetent methods?
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+4 -0 Currently NLS 2012-05-13 22:55
My worry is precisely the same.

Why should the future of Law School be determined by the quality of paper set by other colleges?
I remember the pre-CLAT papers, and even the CLAT 2008. We used to get such hard working chaps going by what Elizabeth would say.
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+3 -0 Observer 2012-05-14 02:09
But doesn't the CLAT Core Committee comprise of representatives from all NLUs? True that it is one NLU that sets the paper every year but it does need the approval of the Committee. So isn't it a collective effort? I just feel it is unfair to only blame the paper setter. Everyone must share the blame for setting a substandard paper.
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+1 -0 Anon ex-member of CLAT Team 2012-05-14 23:31
Quoting Observer:
But doesn't the CLAT Core Committee comprise of representatives from all NLUs? True that it is one NLU that sets the paper every year but it does need the approval of the Committee. So isn't it a collective effort? I just feel it is unfair to only blame the paper setter. Everyone must share the blame for setting a substandard paper.

Actually, no. While the CLAT Committee, consisting of all the VC-s of NLU-s, may frame the overall guideline for the paper, the actual paper and its contents are entirely at the discretion of the conducting university, as the current practice goes.
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+1 -0 X 2012-05-13 23:19
Quoting Ex-NLS:
I really think these law universities shouldn't be allowed to set the paper. Why are we allowing our future batches to be chosen through such incompetent methods?


WORD, I say.

Also, it will make the students value a said Law School more than this preference shit.
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+0 -0 aspirantK 2012-05-13 23:29
the problem was that we were absolutely not prepared for this..... most of us have also written NLU Delhi exam also and so know some of the questions... my point is that there were so many questions that were from topics that were specifically excluded from the syllabus.... its just shameful that a LAW School did this.....
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+0 -0 clataspirant delhi 2012-05-14 00:09
@Editor- The composer of nepalese national anthem- it wasn't asked in CLAT-2012.
P.S.- The centre in rohini where that incident happpened- C.M. Model school. (It was my test centre).
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+0 -0 Prachishrivastava 2012-05-14 00:21
Dear Clataspirant delhi

Thank you for pointing out.

We have now checked the GK questions list on CLAT Gyan and have corrected the error.

Best wishes,
Prachi
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+0 -0 Nalsarite 2012-05-14 00:42
NUJS last year, NLU J this year. Our college has to pay for your mistakes.. CLAT committee will be sued. and that means all the colleges.
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+5 -0 X Man 2012-05-14 01:44  interesting
Nalsar started the trend of setting below-par papers. Let Law school set the paper every year. Let the leaders, the trend setters lead the way. please.
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+1 -0 Anon 2012-05-14 02:16
Right. And all this time I was thinking that papers getting leaked is the biggest of all sins.
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+3 -0 Loki 2012-05-14 10:57
Apart from NLS, I think only Bhopal did the CLAT without incident. Sad to see the degree of incompetency at most of the "top" law schools. I shudder when the paper setting responsibilities will pass further to the newer law schools like RML, CNLU and HNLU. Their own students would be first in line to burn their respective administration buildings!
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+4 -0 Hullo 2012-05-14 11:22
Quoting Loki:
Apart from NLS, I think only Bhopal did the CLAT without incident. Sad to see the degree of incompetency at most of the "top" law schools. I shudder when the paper setting responsibilities will pass further to the newer law schools like RML, CNLU and HNLU. Their own students would be first in line to burn their respective administration buildings!


Bhopal leaked the CLAT paper.. remember?
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+3 -0 Yay! 2012-05-14 15:54
No that was NALSAR. Haha. In 2009.

Quoting Hullo:
Quoting Loki:
Apart from NLS, I think only Bhopal did the CLAT without incident. Sad to see the degree of incompetency at most of the "top" law schools. I shudder when the paper setting responsibilities will pass further to the newer law schools like RML, CNLU and HNLU. Their own students would be first in line to burn their respective administration buildings!


Bhopal leaked the CLAT paper.. remember?
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+0 -0 nope 2012-05-14 19:52
While the paper was set by nalsar, the leak happened at bhopal, because of which nalsar changed the paper, The substitute paper of course, wasn't very good, but that's another story.
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+1 -0 Get your facts right 2012-05-16 22:18
Quoting nope:
While the paper was set by nalsar, the leak happened at bhopal, because of which nalsar changed the paper, The substitute paper of course, wasn't very good, but that's another story.


Paper leak happened in the Delhi godown of a courier company for which RMLNLU, Lucknow was responsible. And not Bhopal.
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+0 -0 Ajax 2012-05-15 09:38
Quoting Loki:
Apart from NLS, I think only Bhopal did the CLAT without incident. Sad to see the degree of incompetency at most of the "top" law schools. I shudder when the paper setting responsibilities will pass further to the newer law schools like RML, CNLU and HNLU. Their own students would be first in line to burn their respective administration buildings!

Yeah ppl at RML, CNLU and HNLU are fools they shuldnt even be counted in NLUs. thats right Loki dont say shit just you wanna blurt it out let them conduct the exam and then talk
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+7 -0 PR 2012-05-14 11:51  interesting
Quoting Nalsarite:
NUJS last year, NLU J this year. Our college has to pay for your mistakes.. CLAT committee will be sued. and that means all the colleges.


Really NALSAR guy?? Being part of one more controvercy would hurt you guys??
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+1 -0 Nominated Board 2012-05-14 01:31
Create one board comprising of elected nominees from all NLU's to set the CLAT Paper every year. Don't give it to one University.
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+4 -0 Delhi, Symbi, Christ 2012-05-14 01:33
Come join the much less complicated world of Delhi, Symbi or Christ =D
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+3 -0 Nalsarite 2012-05-14 01:57
Yeah, thankyou. I'd rather have given these screwed papers twice.
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+4 -0 PR 2012-05-14 11:54
Quoting Delhi, Symbi, Christ:
Come join the much less complicated world of Delhi, Symbi or Christ =D

Kindly reserve your comments to Delhi and Christ only..If at all you were trying to equate these institutions and meant anything derogatory.
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+1 -0 Symbi? 2012-05-14 12:25
I understand Delhi and Christ. Why Symbi?
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+2 -0 kamal 2012-05-14 08:12
Can any one compare NLUO's three papers. From 2009 to 2011, NLUO papers were considered best in the country.In any case,CLAT2012 was far better than 2011.
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+0 -0 lawyered 2012-05-14 11:22
nluo is with clat now........ which means the end of a standard question paper setting admin
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+0 -0 Sourav Dan 2012-05-14 09:38
This is an intentional glitch, they will again come up with stories like technical glitch. Again a headless group of people deciding the future of so many students. Many will score well by writing random answers and then get seats and many good will not get a chance. CLAT is akin to the game of musical chair only replaced by multiple choice questions instead of the music.
As i was not a candidate for the exam, so cant say whether Delhi was an option for the question of Akshardham temple. if people have marked Delhi, its logically correct. the question was where is akshardham temple located. if some one mentions Delhi instead of Gandhinagar, how does it make it wrong. if the word original was added then it would have been correct to say gandhinagar.
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+4 -0 CLAT OBSERVER 2012-05-14 09:48
“majority is not competent to contract”, bwahhaaaahaaaaa.
Minority is?
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+0 -0 Swati 2012-05-14 09:51
This is so shameful on their part. An action of be taken against them.
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+8 -0 abc 2012-05-14 09:57  interesting
My brother gave the clat at the Rohini centre. Firstly,that school was in a pathetic condition..no fans in this heat..after taking so much money for the prospectuses cdnt nluj even guarantee decent centres? My brother had to walk 2km to be able to even reach the centre..I'm sure in a city like delhi they cd hv managed a better school for centre.Secondly, the commissioner's children were given papers before hand and they were allowed to cheat with non-candidates writing their paper. Thirdly,the paper cdnt even follow their own syllabus! Shameful and disgusting state of affairs!!!
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+0 -0 Law Student 2012-05-14 10:07
It has to be set that one of the best organized CLATS, with a good paper and apparent fairness was the 2012 CLAT organized by NLIU-Bhopal.
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+0 -0 xyz 2012-05-14 10:58
you mean CLAT 2010...right?
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+0 -0 Law Student 2012-05-14 11:35
2010*
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+0 -0 Leak 2012-05-14 12:27
Quoting Law Student:
It has to be set that one of the best organized CLATS, with a good paper and apparent fairness was the 2012 CLAT organized by NLIU-Bhopal.


Correct me if i'm wrong, but didn't the Bhopal paper leak?
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+1 -0 Lawyer 2012-05-14 14:31
No .the paper leaked in 2009 and that too when it was organised by NALSAR......
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+0 -0 nope 2012-05-14 19:52
While the paper was set by nalsar, the leak happened at bhopal, because of which nalsar changed the paper, The substitute paper of course, wasn't very good, but that's another story.
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+1 -0 @Nope 2012-05-15 02:44
Quoting nope:
While the paper was set by nalsar, the leak happened at bhopal, because of which nalsar changed the paper, The substitute paper of course, wasn't very good, but that's another story.


Please get your facts right, the paper was leaked at Lucknow.. who preaches this stuff at your law school though ?
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+4 -0 Indian 2012-05-14 10:51
Hi! the paper was flawless. well conducted examinations. and guys if you are writing national level competitive exams plz don't complain about fan and pathatic conditions. if you have so many qalms pl try pvt universities that will just be fine for my daddy so richie rich and then he will settle you also. CLAT is for intelligent hardworking sincere kids.
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+0 -0 Paddy 2012-05-14 14:02
How about leaking question paper to IAS and IPS - the most corrupt officials of our great nation?
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+0 -0 abc 2012-05-15 16:34
first of all its pathetic! n we r not asking for ac rooms but surely in this heat all they cd provide was a proper centre with fans..some classes at the rohini centre didnt even hv windows..do u want the children to suffocate and die?

and if u think this is abt daddy's richie kids then my friend u hv got ur powers of logic all messed up! gud luck to u
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+0 -0 PR 2012-05-16 10:02
Quoting Indian:
Hi! the paper was flawless. well conducted examinations. and guys if you are writing national level competitive exams plz don't complain about fan and pathatic conditions.


Dear dear,

People had to walk for two kms to reach the center and then there was no fan. Just because you are from equatorial Africa doesn't mean everyone can cope up with Delhi heat.
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+0 -0 Not from Delhi 2012-05-14 11:10
“Examiners should be more responsible",” rued one aspirant adding “I want to sue them for my time which I will never get.”


Hmmm...already thinking like a lawyer before entering law school.
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+4 -0 Indian 2012-05-14 11:27
Quoting Not from Delhi:



Hmmm...already thinking like a lawyer before entering law school.



Less lawyer.. more litigant!!
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+2 -0 meenu joshi 2012-05-14 11:26
Paper was very easy… it was surprising but than any serious clat aspirant ( like me !!! ) ofcourse had idea about things they asked i mean legal question were basically logical even the assertion reasons and questions without principle. I believe it was hell lot of less shock than CLAT 2011. Also, GK static questions seems to be static but were actually from detailed current GK… serious reading of The Hindu whole year paid off… like the first woman DGP was actually awarded last year in woman dgp conference….. the irrigation canal relates to infamous bhanwari devi case as in indra canal her dead and burned body was dumped….
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+3 -0 PR 2012-05-14 13:23
[quote name="meenu joshi"]Paper was very easy… it was surprising but than any serious clat aspirant ( like me !!! ) quote]

You mean but "then" and not "than"?? Right.
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+0 -0 meenu joshi 2012-05-14 11:45
Paper was very easy… it was surprising but than any serious clat aspirant ( like me !!! ) ofcourse had idea about things they asked i mean legal question were basically logical even the assertion reasons and questions without principle. I believe it was hell lot of less shock than CLAT 2011. Also, GK static questions seems to be static but were actually from detailed current GK… serious reading of The Hindu whole year paid off… like the first woman DGP was actually awarded last year in woman dgp conference….. the irrigation canal relates to infamous bhanwari devi case as in indra canal her dead and burned body was dumped….Geneva is this year(2012) celebrating the 300th anniversary of the birth of philosopher, writer and composer Jean-Jacques Rousseau; longest National Highway 7 (NH-7) To Be Renamed As National Highway 44 (NH-44)…. again current gk similarly titanic was again in news this year and it sank in s shaped atlantic ocean.... gk nd law both were tricky....
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+10 -0 PR 2012-05-14 13:29  interesting
Quoting meenu joshi:
.. the irrigation canal relates to infamous bhanwari devi case as in indra canal her dead and burned body was dumped….....


"INDRA Canal her dead..." It is Indira Canal and this English requires divine interpretation. Thank God you did not write an essay in CLAT.
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+0 -0 meenu joshi 2012-05-14 11:52
Geneva is this year(2012) celebrating the 300th anniversary of the birth of philosopher, writer and composer Jean-Jacques Rousseau. longest National Highway 7 (NH-7) To Be Renamed As National Highway 44 (NH-44)…. again current gk....similarly titanic was in news last year…. it sunk in s shaped atlantic ocean plus A man from Hungary has become the first person to cross the Atlantic Ocean in a canoe after he traveled from Europe to the Caribbean. Legal and GK were merely tricky… hard working students will be rewarded ….unlike clat 2011 which was per se unfair by focusing it too much on reasoning on all subjects baring gk and maths.
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+4 -0 PR 2012-05-14 13:32
Quoting meenu joshi:
baring gk and maths.


You mean "barring", Miss Joshi?
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+5 -0 NALSARite 2012-05-14 13:56  interesting
Quoting meenu joshi:
Legal and GK were merely tricky… hard working students will be rewarded ….unlike clat 2011 which was per se unfair by focusing it too much on reasoning on all subjects baring gk and maths.


The last thing our bureaucratic law schools need are students of this ilk. The law is not meant to be memorized, Ms. Joshi, but analyzed and applied. Not particularly aware of how much stress was laid on reasoning by CLAT '11 but if that is the case, it is for the best.
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+1 -0 meenu joshi 2012-05-14 14:13
LSAT people focuses on reasoning.... CLAT want students who r hardworking as well as good in reasoning that is why they ask current gk and LSAT does't.
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+1 -0 So misled 2012-05-14 17:12
They ask you current GK only because a lawyer only to assess your awareness.

Sadly, even with your extremely narrow approach to learning, you'd do great at a law school. Incompetent students almost always go well with incompetent teachers.
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+1 -0 meenu joshi 2012-05-14 20:01
GK of course means awareness... but to be aware about every topic in detail is the real task.... for that matter every national level exam with GK in it expects that.... as far as incompetent part is concerned... Atleast no law school would would want a judgmental lawyer.....Stop judging people's competency merely because they have a different opinion about a matter....than i guess you would not take admission in any law school if u get thru by any chance because u don't want to be taught by incompetent teachers....
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+0 -0 SG 2012-05-14 17:17
Oh, so people who are good at reasoning arent hardworking, is it? And reasoning is useless for law,I expect?
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+0 -0 mj 2012-05-14 19:50
LSAT people focuses on reasoning.... CLAT want students who r hardworking as well as good in reasoning that is why they ask current gk and LSAT does't.

I said as well as good in reasoning.
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+0 -0 mj 2012-05-14 20:07
atleast u being at nalsarite would know without an aptitude for hardwork along with reasoning, a student would not survive in top law school..... reasoning as well as hard work both pays and are required for top law school ....

why does hard working or knowing gk properly means not good in reasoning.....
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+3 -0 @PR 2012-05-14 13:44
We can all read her typos man, we get the drift. Chill out now. You can be a grammar Nazi, but too many comments kill the joke.
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+5 -0 meenu joshi 2012-05-14 13:58  interesting
Guess what!! i accept my weakness that i am not too gud in typing as i am not very used to this ... and this is first time i am commenting online somewhere... u people r so frustrated that leave clat 2012 u would bully anyone for anything without any substantive reason...even though it would be at the cost of deviating from the main issue.....
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+2 -0 PR 2012-05-14 15:10
Grammar Nazi..haha!! That's nice. I was just pointing out some lacunae in a "serious clat aspirant's" english. While mugging up The Hindu might just see her making it to NLU-O, it is still not good enough for NLSIU.
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+0 -0 @PR 2012-05-15 11:38
True. Also Ms. Joshi, can't help but comment. Firstly, nothing in my comment attacked you in any way. Typos are natural, we all make them. I was in fact trying to deviate attention AWAY from PR's fun jibes at you (also this is hardly bullying. PR is a harmless Grammar Nazi, you'll find worse in law school. In fact, some of your teachers will bully you into writing good English at all times, whether online or not). Secondly, your comment seems to say that since LSAT focuses only on reasoning, the students chosen are not necessarily hard- working. I have never heard of a worse assumption in my life. The LSAT standards of critical reasoning far outstrips that of CLAT. This is not to belittle CLAT takers for there are several good students who take CLAT and are both smart and hard- working. Yet, what I am trying to say is that checking awareness and making people mug the paper everyday are two different things. No lawyer needs to necessarily know about that man from Hungary. What results is an information overdrive. If you come to law school you will see that your reasoning skills and ability to sift through information to identify what is important are imperative. These are the skills you need in law school and beyond. Because seriously you have to save time NOT reading useless info like Rousseau's 300th birth anniversary, but reading Rousseau on Social Contract instead. Such skills promote efficiency whereas the CLAT is simply promoting rote learning. We need SMART lawyers, who are as hard working as they need to be, not idiots who will read everything.
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+0 -0 @PR 2012-05-15 11:42
So who's judging now Ms. Joshi? You just judged the LSAT and me. Tsk. Tsk. Also, Internet Usage 101- if you are going to use your name, write perfect English (use the Dictionary if need be), otherwise stop whining about the bullying that you are going to have to face; it is inevitable. Be a troll, and be trolled in return.
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+0 -0 vikas charan 2012-05-14 13:52
clat sucks yr mtlb had hoti h yr itna dhoka den wht will they teach in 5 years
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+0 -0 napster 2012-05-14 13:54
Such glaring errors in a national level exam are unacceptable. Stop playing with the careers of students. If you want to make Law a more popular option then atleast come up with good entrance level papers. Quality will attract quality. And that copying case in Delhi should be dealt with strongly. We don't want CLAT to become like those state level board exams. We have enough problems already.

Does any one know which University will prepare next year's question paper?
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+6 -0 @meenu joshi 2012-05-14 14:00  interesting
who is this meenu joshi.. believe me a lot of top tier law firm ppl read the comments page.. please dont write such comments using ur or anyone else's name - even if you do get through the top law schools .. u have just ensured that no law firm will ever recruit anybody by that name.. ur english is "grotesque" and i am being nice here
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+0 -0 meenu joshi 2012-05-14 14:08
whatever.....!!!!
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+3 -0 meenu joshi 2012-05-14 14:15
Guess what!! i accept my weakness that i am not too gud in typing as i am not very used to this ... and this is first time i am commenting online somewhere... u people r so frustrated that leave clat 2012 u would bully anyone for anything without any substantive reason...even though it would be at the cost of deviating from the main issue.....
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+3 -0 meenu joshi 2012-05-14 14:24
whats ur problem my english....my future.....my placement... or clat 2012
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+3 -0 Roark 2012-05-15 02:43
I like the attitude.. Way to go!!
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+8 -0 RGNULite 2012-05-15 05:35  interesting
She will be denied a job because of her comments on LegallyIndia.
ROFLMAO.
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+4 -0 Stubb 2012-05-15 10:02
That implies atleast she'll get a job offer. Same cannot be said about you, Mr. RGN.....which company ever comes to your univ lol!
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+5 -0 Disappointed 2012-05-15 11:06  interesting
Quoting @meenu joshi:
who is this meenu joshi.. believe me a lot of top tier law firm ppl read the comments page.. please dont write such comments using ur or anyone else's name - even if you do get through the top law schools .. u have just ensured that no law firm will ever recruit anybody by that name.. ur english is "grotesque" and i am being nice here


Are you guys for real? This kid is yet to start law school. Leave her alone. And let's see what you do at the end of five years with your English that she doesn't.
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+2 -0 Low Balling 2012-05-14 14:41
NLU-J just proved again, how blissfully ignorant they are of their own incompetency. [...], can't abide by a few lines they themselves put up on their site. Talk about managing a National Level Law School!! They should be literally stripped of their NLU status.

It's almost stereotypical, the legal reasoning questions (15) that were asked were awfully old beat and repetative. The trend speaks for itself, people who dont have any reasoning aptitude cannot possibly set papers to identify aptitude in students, they made the paper such that all the book mugging goodfornothings like them could get selected and the real talent gets left behind.
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+1 -0 Rohini Centre 2012-05-14 21:47
I think the Rohini Centre scandal is appauling if true. That deserves the attention. Not the small change in paper pattern. If yu've prepared for CLAT yu shud be prepared for a surprise in paper pattern and format. But having the paper leaked out to influential kids, is plain wrong!
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+1 -0 Legalpujari 2012-05-15 00:35
I am appalled by the incompetence of NLU . If the PIL is admitted/successful then it might result in the paper being conducted again. I think NLU should be stripped of its recognition because of their incompetence.
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+4 -0 Balram Halwai 2012-05-15 12:43
With due respect to the entire brouhaha surrounding CLAT 2012 in general and your article in particular; I would like to express my concern over the fact that the main driving force (as may be gathered by the numerous outpourings on various social sites) behind this swift move to nullify the paper undertaken on 13th May 2012 happens to be not the desire for a more balanced of "fair" paper but a simple way out from a messed-up CLAT exam - that is to say that those who have screwed their exam up royally are the ones most fervently demanding a re-exam.

And this is what is worrisome.

I happen to be a student at one of India's top 2 National Law Universities; and it is quite worrisome for us to see people jumping up and down over questions like the S-shaped ocean and the largest gland - any goddamned person who has had access to a globe or a map; or a decent GK textbook in school would have the answers to such questions on their fingertips. And rushing to Courts due to their own incapacity to answer such questions only goes to show the latent hypocrisy of CLAT takers this year.
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+0 -0 Balram Halwai 2012-05-15 14:27
balanced or* "fair"
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+5 -0 LL 2012-05-15 13:28  interesting
For all the clat takers who seems to be so agitated over the so called questions, which were allegedly out of syllabus, well, then, if you want to live in the competitive world, you should be prepared for any kind of questions in the exam or any kind of eventuality. the fact that you are cribbing so much only goes to highlight how poorly prepared you actually were. GK, means GENERAL KNOWLEDGE and therefore cannot be limited to a years syllabus, further to have a problem with questions like "the longest highway in India?" is shameful.
The contract question is basic knowledge that has been a part of the syllabus and given in LST, Universal as well as LexisNexis books, which are considered essential to studying for Clat.
Rather than wasting your time filing PIL's, where your not even clearing an Entrance, just shows your mental calibre.
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+5 -0 Pooja Natarajan 2012-05-15 16:52  interesting
Completely agreed!!
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+7 -0 Pooja Natarajan 2012-05-15 16:21  interesting
I appeared for both AILET and CLAT.
"law is codified common sense"
Okay.. a lot of discussions going on all over regarding the "grading" of CLAT 2012 paper as easy, moderate, unexpected and the like.
Every student has his/her abilities to answer questions.
Some were saying that Maths was easy, some said it wasn't.
But what is important is how ONE has attempted it.

One of the most illogical things that i heard was "inclusion of STATIC GK in the paper in-spite of the fact that the official CLAT 2012 website declared that only current affairs would be tested." Okay, even though they mentioned that only current affairs region would be tested,that doesn't mean one never came across ANY STATIC GK QUESTION ever in their life!
If a student complaints that Delhi was not amongst the options for the question regarding Akshardham Temple, then I am sorry. One i supposed to know that Delhi only has the REPLICA and the original is in Gujarat! And if Delhi wasn't in the options one could have thought differently that there might be a possibility of Akshardham being in some other city too rather than jumping to conclusions.

Definitely the GK section was VERY EASY compared to the AILET (NLU-D)'s GK section. AILET's GK was full of Science based questions (very specific) and it proved to be difficult for a Commerce student like me. But I am not going to file a PIL saying that there were too many UNEXPECTED SCIENCE QUESTIONS in the paper. One has to take it as it comes and use some presence of MIND and not just ready made solutions.

Well the Legal section came with a little surprise as some of the questions were based on "Assertion Conclusion" and not Legal Principles. But at the same time I was able to ATTEMPT them by taking some ideas from the options given.

Never did I feel during the paper that something was out of the syllabus or whatsoever. Because when I was giving the paper I focused only on answering the questions that focusing on how someone is supposed to answer such a question. There is a fine line between the two.

As far as scoring is concerned I don't know how much I will score. But the satisfaction of having done the paper well (pretty well as compared to AILET) I would say that it was a great experience. The marks part that i have written is to say that even if I score less that would be because of my mistakes not the paper's.

Just because someone is appearing for Law exams doesn't mean they start behaving like Lawyers ALREADY.


As you mentioned that a Rohini Delhi test centre attracted some bad press and parental fury when three candidates from allegedly influential families forcibly used unfair means by getting certain non-candidates to write their paper.

Now that's something worth filing a PIL for!!
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+0 -1 What? 2012-05-15 17:17
pooja when the official website of the exam 25000 kids are attempting says prior legal knowledge will not be tested, poeple reasonably expect questions like these not to come, meaning they would not have prepared for them.

In a competitive exam you study only for what you have to, nothing more, so implying that its the students own fault for not studying for questuons beyond the scope of the exam is unreasonable
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+3 -0 Hullo 2012-05-15 17:34
Ok this is plain sad. The longest National Highway is something every student planning to write a competitive examination should know!! As regards the Akshardham temple... remember it grabbed the spotlight after it was bombed by terrorists a few years back? If u have been reading the papers regularly, references are made now and then to those attacks. It may be a little unfair to expect kids to know its Rousseau's 300th birth anniversary, but what the heck, it still a "current affair"! As far as "S shapred ocean" is concerned... you need to know some elementary Geography to know that the Atlantic Ocean is called the "S shaped Ocean"... Moreover you ought to know in which ocean the Titanic sank!
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+3 -0 Pooja Natarajan 2012-05-15 19:50
Well said!
I actually co-related the S Shaped ocean with the titanic..and i got my answer right!!!
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+3 -0 Hullo 2012-05-15 17:37
And by the way, as of April 15 2012 its been 100 years since the Titanic sank in the the "S shaped ocean"
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+9 -0 NLUJ Student 2012-05-15 17:51  interesting
NLUJ hai hai! NLUJ hai hai!

**Are you bored** || **Does legallyindia not satisify your latent blood lust?** || **Do you hate any law college?**

If the answer to anyone of the above is YES.

Then, all of you guys from the top law schools (NLSIU, NALSAR, NUJS -and just so that it isn't a nerd fest- Symbi, ILS, GLC- and just so it isn't too cheap and because we are accommodating and like to average it out- GNLU, RGNUL..blah blah) are invited to come and participate in THE NLUJ dharna and stone throwing - 2012?

The main event will be the Dharna for the CLAT disaster and an evening of stoning the VC and his office.

Other activities will include vociferous and verbose, if somewhat specious, DEBATES on which is the best law school. Make a Dharna (MAD), Un-parliamentary Debate, Slogan shouting, among a host of activities.

To ensure your visit is comfortable and to create the right ambiance for the demonstration, you would be provided with free accommodation in our hostels, Jodhpur darshan during the afternoons, narcotic substances during the nights and a social evening or two where intoxicated or not, indecency WOULD be expected!

[...] our beloved caterer, would be happy to feed extra mouths and earn some praise for a chance. It is expected that he would even provide an ALL paneer menu for the period of the event.

Entertainment is promised. A formal invite would be sent out once the bureaucratic wrangling between the Acad Comm, Cul Comm and the Sports Comm is sorted out.

Looking forwarding to seeing all of you'll!

Cherrio!
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+2 -0 @NLUJ Student 2012-05-16 01:09
Haha. We just received the prelim invite to NH7 when I read you post. The contrast in events seems funny. ;)
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+7 -0 To clear things up 2012-05-16 15:05  interesting
I know how difficult it must be for you test-takers to rein in your emotions, but please continue with the commendable job. I have some time on my hands, so if any of you is amenable to reason, you can read this. [You can also whine if you want to, because I'm SURE that PIL you're going to be filing is likely to yield an order from the courts directing the CLAT committee to issue 1000 questions and ONLY test from those. It can happen! Call your lawyer.]

1. The inclusion of Static GK in the paper - The official declaration regarding GK seems to be that only current affairs would be tested. The implication of this seems to be, at least in my mind, that current affairs spanning over an entire year is inclusive of two factors: the actual event in question + a piece of information that renders the reporting of the event logically complete. For example, if there has been something in the news about India's longest highway, it is absurd to argue that only the exact event pertaining to the highway can be questioned, and not the identity of the highway itself. So unless you can prove that there was nothing in the news for AN ENTIRE YEAR that even mentioned the highway in question, you're screwed. That does fall under the heading 'Current Affairs' and you can be tested on it.

2. The inclusion of unexplained legal concepts in the Legal Aptitude section - I am aware that the rules stated that any legal concept would be explained before being questioned on. Now, this may not be clear right away, but in competitive examinations, there's an implied amount of knowledge that the test-taker is expected to possess. Like every student taking the IIT entrance is expected to know about the Periodic table, a CLAT-taker is expected to know the meaning of the words 'void', 'voidable' and 'void ab initio'. If they'd tested on a concept like Usufructuary Mortgage, you have a right to complain. But the CLAT is a competitive examination, and it does NOT test students who arrive armed with nothing but their wits. There's a fine line between explaining legal concepts you are NOT expected to know and words you, as a test-taker should know the meaning of, like 'joint liability'.

If you did badly, you have my sympathies. We've all been there, and it never goes as badly as you think it does. Sit tight, wait for the results, and for god's sake, be smart about when you have to sue.
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+1 -0 Pooja Natarajan 2012-05-17 12:29
Wow! U've covered all the points TO the point!! The IIT example is totally correct! :) Cheers!
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+0 -0 Anon 2012-05-17 15:56
Quoting To clear things up:
I know how difficult it must be for you test-takers to rein in your emotions, but please continue with the commendable job. I have some time on my hands, so if any of you is amenable to reason, you can read this. [You can also whine if you want to, because I'm SURE that PIL you're going to be filing is likely to yield an order from the courts directing the CLAT committee to issue 1000 questions and ONLY test from those. It can happen! Call your lawyer.]

1. The inclusion of Static GK in the paper - The official declaration regarding GK seems to be that only current affairs would be tested. The implication of this seems to be, at least in my mind, that current affairs spanning over an entire year is inclusive of two factors: the actual event in question + a piece of information that renders the reporting of the event logically complete. For example, if there has been something in the news about India's longest highway, it is absurd to argue that only the exact event pertaining to the highway can be questioned, and not the identity of the highway itself. So unless you can prove that there was nothing in the news for AN ENTIRE YEAR that even mentioned the highway in question, you're screwed. That does fall under the heading 'Current Affairs' and you can be tested on it.

2. The inclusion of unexplained legal concepts in the Legal Aptitude section - I am aware that the rules stated that any legal concept would be explained before being questioned on. Now, this may not be clear right away, but in competitive examinations, there's an implied amount of knowledge that the test-taker is expected to possess. Like every student taking the IIT entrance is expected to know about the Periodic table, a CLAT-taker is expected to know the meaning of the words 'void', 'voidable' and 'void ab initio'. If they'd tested on a concept like Usufructuary Mortgage, you have a right to complain. But the CLAT is a competitive examination, and it does NOT test students who arrive armed with nothing but their wits. There's a fine line between explaining legal concepts you are NOT expected to know and words you, as a test-taker should know the meaning of, like 'joint liability'.

If you did badly, you have my sympathies. We've all been there, and it never goes as badly as you think it does. Sit tight, wait for the results, and for god's sake, be smart about when you have to sue.


Well, let me state beforehand that I've my emotions firmly in control, given that I'm a NLU alumnus and not a CLAT-aspirant. However, there are two points I would like to mention here. One, I agree with the fact that most of the 'static GK' questions that had been asked are those that CLAT aspirants should be aware of. Although there can be debates about whether having information about leukemia or some other trivia may or may not be relevant towards testing one's aptitude for NLU-s. However, the point that is being made is misrepresentation, not the standard of questions asked. If you want to quibble on the ground of current affairs having a tenuous link to such 'static GK', you are within your rights to do so -however, NLUJ ought to have realized how its notification would have been interpreted. After all, it wasn't merely trying to safeguard against legal proceedings. The purpose of the notification was to HELP the examinees.
About the legal aptitude part, I can rebut a little stronger. The comparison with IITJEE does not hold ground here. The periodic table and/or other physics/chemistry information a student ought to know not because he's appearing for IITJEE but because he's been taught physics/chemistry in plus-two level. The analogy with law does not hold true. Also, I completely disagree that a NLU-entrant needs to know be a priori aware of legal concepts like Austinian theory or difference between void and voidable. That's what first year at law school is there for! If he/she is aware of it, kudos to him/her, but it cannot be made a condition precedent for his entry.
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+1 -0 Low Balling 2012-05-17 17:11
Quoting To clear things up:
I know how difficult it must be for you test-takers to rein in your emotions, but please continue with the commendable job. I have some time on my hands, so if any of you is amenable to reason, you can read this. [You can also whine if you want to, because I'm SURE that PIL you're going to be filing is likely to yield an order from the courts directing the CLAT committee to issue 1000 questions and ONLY test from those. It can happen! Call your lawyer.]

1. The inclusion of Static GK in the paper - The official declaration regarding GK seems to be that only current affairs would be tested. The implication of this seems to be, at least in my mind, that current affairs spanning over an entire year is inclusive of two factors: the actual event in question + a piece of information that renders the reporting of the event logically complete. For example, if there has been something in the news about India's longest highway, it is absurd to argue that only the exact event pertaining to the highway can be questioned, and not the identity of the highway itself. So unless you can prove that there was nothing in the news for AN ENTIRE YEAR that even mentioned the highway in question, you're screwed. That does fall under the heading 'Current Affairs' and you can be tested on it.

2. The inclusion of unexplained legal concepts in the Legal Aptitude section - I am aware that the rules stated that any legal concept would be explained before being questioned on. Now, this may not be clear right away, but in competitive examinations, there's an implied amount of knowledge that the test-taker is expected to possess. Like every student taking the IIT entrance is expected to know about the Periodic table, a CLAT-taker is expected to know the meaning of the words 'void', 'voidable' and 'void ab initio'. If they'd tested on a concept like Usufructuary Mortgage, you have a right to complain. But the CLAT is a competitive examination, and it does NOT test students who arrive armed with nothing but their wits. There's a fine line between explaining legal concepts you are NOT expected to know and words you, as a test-taker should know the meaning of, like 'joint liability'.

If you did badly, you have my sympathies. We've all been there, and it never goes as badly as you think it does. Sit tight, wait for the results, and for god's sake, be smart about when you have to sue.



Everybody here, claiming that only people who royally screwed up the exam are complaining is well not so true, since I am myself expecting a score above 160. Nothing in GK section was out of context, what was out of context was the legal reasoning and assertion questions which required the candidate to know whether IPC 347 relates to murder or section 98 relates to private defense.
After stating explicitly that legal knowledge wont be tested you can reasonably hope for a National Law institute to abide by the norms. If knowing IPC and constitution section(s) refers to common knowledge then well your definition of common knowledge is rather absurd.
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+0 -0 SG 2012-05-18 10:12
It is true that every IIT test taker is expected to know about the periodic table, but IIT-JEE does not ask questions like "In which year was the 102nd element discovered?"
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+2 -0 Kunal 2012-05-16 22:13
I think students and mentors have forgotten why we need an entrance test in the first place. More importantly, everyone has started to look at the preparation, as the above article points out, from a very myopic lens.
I wish and hope that more CLAT mentors and law aspirants adopt the approach suggested in this article. I've given my take on this issue on myLaw - do share your thoughts and comments! mylaw.net/Article/Clat_astrophe_that_wasnt/
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+0 -0 Anon 2012-05-17 15:58
Quoting Kunal:
I think students and mentors have forgotten why we need an entrance test in the first place. More importantly, everyone has started to look at the preparation, as the above article points out, from a very myopic lens.
I wish and hope that more CLAT mentors and law aspirants adopt the approach suggested in this article. I've given my take on this issue on myLaw - do share your thoughts and comments! mylaw.net/Article/Clat_astrophe_that_wasnt/

I agree, Kunal. However, just as the approach of students and/or preparatory centres needs to be revised, so should the organization needs to be streamlined and improved by having it centralized. Otherwise, discrepancies and irregularities of this nature will keep on happening. The students can hardly be blamed. They do, for the most part, what they are told to.
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+2 -0 damn! 2012-05-17 22:07
people discuss shit. people affected necessarily do. and they may even desire to make a change.

oh that's the phenomenon! nothing new. cheers
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