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Ranbir Singh: Building another institution?Ranbir Singh: Building another institution?Exclusive: National Law University (NLU) Delhi saw 7,814 candidates fight for just 79 places, notching up 1,000 more applications than last year, while 60 per cent of its next intake will be women.

The result of NLU Delhi’s internal admissions test - the All India Law Entrance Test (AILET) - was declared today after having been held on 1 May 2010.

NLU Delhi’s vice chancellor professor Ranbir Singh told Legally India that the number of total applications the school had received this year was 9,000 while last year’s figure stood at only 4,000.

The Common Law Admission Test (CLAT) and the All India Law Entrance Test, Singh explained, were equally competitive and patterned on similar lines.

“The ideal I’ve had in my mind is that the success of a law school is dependent on the performance of its students and the more opportunities you provide them in terms of academic facilities, mooting, seminars, conferences, IT facilities,” said Singh.

“In a span of one year we provided them all of that,” he claimed. “I said, I will provide you the best of facilities and you give me your best performance.”

Singh added that although he was one of the key persons who had initiated the CLAT at NLSIU Bangalore, when he moved to Delhi he decided against adopting the CLAT.

“One reason was CLAT was too new, and the modalities were still not clear, also there were apprehensions about paper leakage,” noted Singh. “Second, CLAT is on the basis of preference and since NLU joined at number 13, I did not want it to receive preference at the bottom.”

This year’s AILET top scorer was Sonakshi Saxena who scored 118 marks out of 150 followed by Malika Chadha and Nayan Banerjee with 115 marks each. All three are pass-outs of DPS RK Puram. The cut-off mark for the general list of 62 at the AILET was 105 points, which was scored by 15 candidates.

Admitted scheduled caste reservation marks for 11 candidates ranged from 85 to 95, while six candidates gaining admission from the scheduled tribe reservation scored between 80 and 90.

Of the 7,814 candidates who appeared, 5,575 belonged to general category while nine with disabilities and 405 of reserved categories contended.

NLU-D vs CLAT schools?

Sunday’s CLAT saw almost 24,000 applicants compete for places at 11 national law schools, although other law schools also accept CLAT scores informally.

In the 2010 CLAT, 613 students from the so-called general list gained admission to one of the 11 law schools, out of 17,300 total applicants – odds of roughly 3.5 in 100 of getting a place.

NLSIU, Nalsar Hyderabad and NUJS Kolkata together awarded around 174 places to candidates on the general list – equivalent to odds of around 1 in 100, similar to those at NLU Delhi this year.

Update 22:46: The above figures explicitly included only general list places at NLS/Nalsar/NUJS, comparing these with total places at NLU Delhi. Including ST/SC and other reservations such as NRI quotas, there were a total of 236 places at the most popular 3 national law schools in 2010, which would have made the odds of reaching the cut-off 1 in 73.

Providing that the number of seats at the three law schools stay the same and assuming that 24,000 applicants pick those three law schools as first choices, the odds would be 1 in 98, just marginally below NLU Delhi this year, which more accurately is 1 in 99.

This calculation of odds does not take into account the odds of students topping the NLU Delhi also topping the CLAT and opting for a CLAT college.

Correction 19 May 2011: The original version of the article erroneously stated that 4,000 students took the NLU Delhi entrance exam last year. In fact, 6,658 students took the exam. We regret the error, which has been corrected.

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+4 -2 Ipso Facto 2011-05-18 20:54
Kian,

NLU Delhi is not as tough as NLS or NALSAR. Since the top 2-3 lists never take NLU Delhi. So the ratio that seems to be the same as NLS or NALSAR entrants does not remain the same when the actual people take admission who are lower ranked.
Do take this into account.
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+3 -3 BIG MISTAKE 2011-05-18 20:57
You have committed a BIG MISTAKE [...].

The top 79 students won't join NLU Delhi. Some of them will also get through colleges like NLSIU, NUJS, NALSAR, NLIU Bhopal, NLU Jodhpur and GNLU Gandhinagar and prefer these established institutions over NLU Delhi.

Waitlisted students upto 30-35 will be selected.

At the same time students who get through NLSIU, NUJS, NALSAR etc. invariably go for these colleges.
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+12 -1 File another PIL 2011-05-18 21:00  interesting
We should file another PIL against autocratic institutions like NLU Delhi and NLU Orrisa.

Varun Bhagat filed a PIL to get all the NLUs conduct ONE CLAT. To prevent candidates from taking multiple exams and to prevent our parent's money being spent on multiple forms (each form costs around 2k).

How can National Law Universities not join CLAT! This is going against the court's decision!
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+0 -0 Truth 2011-05-24 14:49
I totally agreee ...

It was observed that in law schools like NALSAR and others the > 50% of students selected were from from families of JUGDES, MINISTERS, VERY REPUTED PUBLICATION HOUSES ? BUSINESS HOUSES etc. (you may verify this by picking up list of selected students in any years before 2009 in NALSAR.

The Idea of introducing CLAT was to make the exam impartial and ensure that selection of candidates is not in the hands of the college administration.

However, as is clear it took away all powers from the hands of Vice Chancellors to liaison and admit students of their choice. Therefore, it makes me curious how is impartiality being ensured at D NLU ??

When country's established Law schools have adopted the National Level Centralized exam .. why is D NLU resisting.

Also, data given in this article seems to be fabricating and playing around stastical data .. in an effort to justify and leave an impression that singled out entrance exam for D NLU is as competitive as CLAT.

The writer is defying a simple logic here that if I am a good student and wand to make a choce between apprearing in CLAT and
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+5 -3 Another BIG MISTAKE 2011-05-18 21:04
CLAT was taken by 24,000 candidates.

The top 200 will join NLS, NALSAR and NUJS.

Do the maths.

1 out of 120 candidates will join NLS, NALSAR and NUJS.

Why are you spreading wrong information on such a popular website?
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+1 -1 kianganz 2011-05-18 21:15
Thanks for your comment, I accept that this is not hard scientific evidence for one being tougher than the other.

But talking in terms of pure numbers, the back of the envelope calculation indicates that there are fewer general list places per entrance exam taker at NLU Delhi than there were at NLS/NUJS/Nalsar last year.

We did not examine the eventual choices of the toppers (since we are not able to until CLAT results are released) but going purely by numbers it does seem as hard to get into NLU D's cut-off in the entrance test as it is to get into the most popular 3 CLAT schools.
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+7 -1 Lies, Damned Lies, Statistics 2011-05-18 21:49  interesting
Dear Kian

"But talking in terms of pure numbers, the back of the envelope calculation indicates that there are fewer general list places per entrance exam taker at NLU Delhi than there were at NLS/NUJS/Nalsar last year."

First, this is assuming that NLS/NUJS/Nalsar are a single institution. They aren't, so the statistical analysis sort of falls apart at that point. Put another way, there are 613 seats handed out by 11 law schools together, at a rate of 3.5 seats per 100 applicants, so is getting into these 11 law schools 3.5 times easier than getting into NLU Delhi? No, because you have to look at the individual colleges.

Second, in what I hope was oversight, you've taken last year's CLAT numbers and this year's NLU-Delhi numbers. Please compare apples with apples. On the pure math, its 24000/174 v. 7814/79. That's about 1 in 140 for the top three law schools as a group v. 1 in 100 for NLU Delhi, so not really about the same. If you for some reason prefer last year's numbers, its 17000/174 v. 4000/80, which is 1 in 100 for NLS/NALSAR/NUJS v. 1 in 50 for NLU-Delhi; again no comparison.

Third, if you look at first preferences as an indicator, NLS probably has about 22000 students picking it as a first preference. That would make its numbers about 1 in 400.

Fourth, Dr. Singh says it himself: If NLU Delhi was part of the CLAT, the kids they'd get would not be the top 175 kids studying law in the country, which is why he chooses to stay outside the CLAT. While this particular argument doesn't take away from the statistic, it does render it entirely meaningless because anyone who gets into the top few law schools via the CLAT would pick those over NLU-Delhi, and people lower down would get into NLU Delhi. So basically Dr. Singh is banking on people who have a bad day at the CLAT, or will do something like require all students to register and pay fees before CLAT counselling is over, a tactic that NUJS used till before the CLAT to make about 50K a year each from about 30 students at least. Also, as several comments above point out, a significant number of the best students writing this exam will get into NLS/Nalsar/NUJS, thus making this first list redundant (and therefore making the comparison redundant)

Therefore, while "going purely by numbers it does seem as hard to get into NLU D's cut-off in the entrance test as it is to get into the most popular 3 CLAT schools", getting into NLU-D is significantly easier than getting into it's first cut-off list. And I'm fairly certain that at least 75 out of the 79 people who have gotten into NLU-D would trade their place for a place at the three law schools you mention, or even NLU-Jodhpur or NLIU Bhopal.

Taking nothing away from NLU-Delhi, I think they are (or at least will be) a great institution. Perhaps if they legitimately want to claim that they're as sought after as NLS or NUJS or NALSAR, they should join the CLAT and release preference figures, since that's really the best sign of how sought after colleges are.
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+2 -5 Made it to NLUD this year 2011-05-19 07:01
Your number crunching ability is really commendable. Just one question please - Where did you find the time to write such a piece?
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+3 -1 Change the TITLE 2011-05-18 21:16
I wonder why this title was used: to sensationalise?

To let students from NLS, NUJS, NALSAR and NLU Delhi fight and quarrel and comment?

Or was it because someone from NLU Delhi paid you money?

Since the title in itself is factually wrong, incorrect and misleading, please change the title! I hope responsible journalism entails that.

Or else, please justify your position and the title!
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+4 -0 WAIT LISTED students 2011-05-18 21:21
Kian,

Please see how many students who were on NLUD's waitlist got through the final selections.

The toppers from NLUD join other better colleges. (Please do some research)

Can't you take this simple fact into account and acknowledge that LI has committed an error?

Sorry for the multiple comments (this will be my last on this issue).
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+0 -0 Qualified NLUD but Left.... 2011-05-19 16:13
Even I hv qualified for NLUD in the year 2009 n also left the same along with my other frnds in search of a better clg. So at no place NLUD is better than NLS or NALSAR.But it may challenge them in long run but it wont be just like NLS at any particular time...
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+0 -0 Another BLUNDER! 2011-05-18 21:28
Why are you comparing CLAT stats of the previous year with NLUD stats for this year! OMG! What a BLUNDER!

This is what you have written:

"In the 2010 CLAT, 613 students from the so-called general list gained admission to into one of the 11 law schools, out of 17,300 total applicants – odds of roughly 3.5 in 100 of getting a place.

NLSIU, Nalsar Hyderabad and NUJS Kolkata together awarded around 174 places to candidates on the general list – equivalent to odds of around 1 in 100, similar to those at NLU Delhi THIS year".

This year 24,000 students took CLAT. Do that maths. 24,000 divided by 174 is 140.


NLS/NUJS/NALSAR select ONE IN 140 which is SIGNIFICANTLY TOUGHER than NLUD which selects ONE in 100.

Please change the title accordingly!
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+7 -0 Anon 2011-05-18 21:28  interesting
Are they not joining CLAT so that they can bring influence to bear on the selection process? The patronage of politicians, judges, senior counsel and law firm partners is crucial for a young law firm.
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+4 -10 Anonymous 2011-05-18 21:42
It is anyday better to choose NLU Delhi over NLIU or GNLU.........soory to displease you!
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+0 -3 @6 2011-05-18 21:44
Or was it because someone from NLU Delhi paid you money?





So, in life, when something doesn't go your way, do you always accuse people of taking money?
Is your spoilt little brat ass so F-ing arrogant that for one teeny second you cannot tolerate a goof-up?

Get yourself out of here you little snick.
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+0 -0 kianganz 2011-05-18 21:52
@7 and other posts: We do not have access to figures of how many places there were at the top three colleges this year.

The title states that NLU Delhi is now as tough to get in as the three others together, while the actual figures mentioned in the text are very clear that we are using 2010 figures.

Would changing the headline to: "NLU Delhi as tough as NLS, NUJS, Nalsar were last year" be better or make any material difference?

Technically, it might be more accurate, I agree, but journalistic headlines by necessity always summarise (and sensationalise) somewhat and in this case the headline would become even longer and more unreadable.

However, I would aruge that this doesn't detract from the principle that NLU Delhi's entrance exam is now in a similar ballpark in terms of competition as the national law schools (notwithstanding an unprecedented rise in the number of CLAT takers this year).

On top of that, I understand that the NLU Delhi test is semi-officially accepted by a few other institutions but not by 11 other national law schools as is the case with CLAT. Therefore it can be argued that more candidates sit the NLU-D test aiming for just 1 law school, whereas at CLAT many candidates would be very happy if they got into many of the 11 and hedge their bets so to speak.

Ergo, I think it's fair to say that this year's NLU D exam was as competitive as the CLAT for the top 3 law schools (last year), and by a tiny stretch also roughly as competitive as the CLAT fight for the top 3 is expected to be this year.

This does of course discount eventual student choices, which as I explained in 4.1 above, are not yet known.
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+0 -1 One and half times tough CLAT 2011-05-18 22:05
Kian, did you hear about any increase in the number of seats for NLS, NUJS or NALSAR?

Generally, when seats are increased, there is a lot of hue and cry and LI will prolly get to know about it! None of these institutions have increased their seats!

Now, back the the 'pain in the ass' point:


CLAT STATISTICS (For NLS, NUJS and NALSAR)

Candidates: 24,000
Seats: 174
Ratio: 1 out of 140


NLUD STATISTICS

Candidates: 7800
Seats: 79
Ratio: 1 out of 100


A test (CLAT) in which 1 out of 140 gets selected is as tough as a test (NLUD) where 1 out of 100 get selected? Really?

The fact is this: CLAT is nearly ONE AND A HALF times tougher than NLUD. That is what the stats say!
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+0 -0 kianganz 2011-05-18 22:20
@11.1 - you are not comparing apples with apples either here I think... 174 was the number of seats at NLS/Nalsar/NUJS last year EXCLUDING ST/SC and other reservations.

So the total percentage of CLATers opting for either NLS, NUJS or Nalsar could still be around 1 in 100.

I am not 100% sure of what the figure of seats for all those three was last year or is this year. Can someone confirm?

Of course, I didn't quite compare oranges and oranges either: the general list at NLU D was actually 62 out of 5575 - around 90 out of 100.

In any case, the point the article (and headline) are trying to make about the statistics is that they are very close to the top CLAT schools.
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+1 -0 whatsthematterkian! 2011-05-21 20:31
"62 out of 5575 - around 90 out of 100.."


Did you mean, "a ratio of 1 is to 90"? What in the world does 90 out of 100 mean here!!?

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The thrust of this article was to attempt to point out the resemblance of the COMPETITION level of two entrance exams.

One is the CLAT - which 11 law schools admit students through (not by choice, but because of a darn court order), and the other is the NLU D entrance (which is an independent exam, much like the JGLS entrance - which admit students through their own entrance primarily because they realize that they would get relatively lower ranked students from the CLAT).

Let's break this down.

Competition here means - how difficult is it to GET INTO a particular college. ~ How SOUGH AFTER & HOW EASILY ACHIEVABLE that particular seat in that particular college is.

First, this necessarily means that one HAS to consider the fact that so many students who top the NLU D entrance do not take up the seats.

I don't know why this point is not being understood.

Let me try with an example.

If there are 5 contestants competing in an election.
3 withdraw.
2 contestants compete.
1 of the contestant wins by a margin.

The COMPETITIVENESS of this seat -> 1 seat : 2 candidates

Another election.
5 contestants.
5 compete.
1 wins.

COMPETITIVENESS -> 1 seat : 5 candidates


From stats so far,

NLS / NUJS / Nalsar: 1 seat : 140 candidates

NLU D: 1 seat : 100 candidates PLUS several withdrawals.

What's the confusion about? Kian, you need to correct the story!
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+1 -2 Misleading Title 2011-05-18 21:54
Hold on a second: NLU-D as hard as NUJS, NLS and NALSAR eh?

Because the chances are one in hundred?

The 24,000 kids who wrote CLAT 2011 had it much tougher. Do Maths the proper way and you will now.

For NLS with the 50-odd seats the chances are one in 450.
For NUJS with 80 or so seats the chances are one in 300.

And since the top three have around 200 seats put together, the chances of getting a seat in any of the three law schools is one in 120 (which is still tougher than NLU-D's one in 100).

This being so, the title is misleading and I hope the website will take note of this.
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+1 -2 Misleading 2011-05-18 22:11
May be it is an entrance exam, but students who joined last year NLUD could not clear CLAT or made into NLSIU, NUJS, NALSAR.


Around 70% students of NLUD would be those who could not get into NLSIU, NUJS or NALSAR.


Last year, All those who got NLS left NLUD. I think one left NALSAR, and 3-4 NUJS. The person who got AIR 8 last year opted NUJS, and went to NLUD and didnt even go to NLS. Choice matters.

But rest of them could not figure in the topper list of CLAT.


Contrary to this, most of the students who are in NLS, NUJS and NALSAR secured respectable rank in NLUD exam.
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+0 -1 kianganz 2011-05-18 22:42
As I acknowledged earlier, we did not (and could not at present) include that in the consideration, since CLAT results are not declared yet.

Rest assured that we will attempt a full and thorough analysis of preferences and cut-offs as we did last year.
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+2 -3 HAIL NLU-D 2011-05-18 22:13
'sour grapes'.. is all i can conclude from the discussion... Behold NLUD is here
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+0 -1 whatsthematterkian! 2011-05-21 20:35
Right.

Let's argue MATH versus Enthusiasm.

Oh wait. They already tested your math at the CLAT didn't they?
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+1 -3 why cant LI correct its error? 2011-05-18 22:19
1 in 100 get NLUD, still easier than 1 in 140 for NLS-NALSAR-NUJS

Correct the error please - one in hundred get NLU-D is a good enough headline.
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+0 -1 kianganz 2011-05-18 22:22
It's actually not quite 1 in 140 either at NLS/Nalsar/NUJS- please see my response to 11.1 above, since that figure compares the general list places vs the total CLAT takers.

(As I said, it is a back-of-the-envelope calculation)
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+0 -0 Misleading 2011-05-18 22:26
Kian, reply to the comment no. 13! You should have mentioned that fact too.
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+0 -0 @ LI 2011-05-18 22:20
Hi, can you write an article on varun bhagat decision and upload the court order W.P. (C) No. 68 of 2006 on your website. I have scoured every legal database (Judis, manupatra etc.) however could not find either any final or interim order from the SC.
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+3 -1 jealous!!!! 2011-05-18 22:27
@2, 4...and
if NLU D is gaining popularity and importance just in 2 yr....that is good...do not compare it NLU's having 10-20 yr of existence.... success is not math..time will tell..but be sure..Delhi will beat all other NLU's in near future in placement as well as in performance in all field related to law ....your jealous and mathematical calculation itself ....sufficient to prove that..u r scared lot....mind it and feel it... u feeling pinch by mere reporting...what will happen to you if... god give u some strength and open thinking brain
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+2 -2 wtf 2011-05-18 22:38
Kian, how much did Ranbir pay you for this news. NLUD can not even match up to the reputation of the top 5-6 NLUs. NLUD would be another Amity- too much these people advertise. Nalsar was a success because the quality of students was great , if not better at least at par with NLS. NLU-D has people who just want there homes to be near and can just chill in the capital. And Ranbira makes sure these kids get advertised everywhere! No hard feelings NLUD, but let atleast one batch graduate and then compare yourself with NLS, Nalsar, NUJS, NLU and NLIU (or may be GNLU as well). Considering how not-so great internship experience you all have, it wont be a shock if the placements dont go that well. Good luck and Kian, please dont blatantly advertise a college!
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+6 -1 kianganz 2011-05-18 22:39  interesting
At the risk of being boring and repeating myself: we do not ever accept payment for editorial articles.
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+0 -0 Truth 2011-05-24 15:11
Why else would you write some thing so baseless.. i totally agree I know Prof Ranbir since my NALSAR days... he is too good with advertising ..and liaisoning with politicians and Judges. I wount be too surprised if D NLU is full of kids of influential people. No wonder the Prof. opted to keep D NLU our of CLAT.
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+1 -0 Raj s to those who unlike NLUD 2011-05-21 00:54
u r scared lot. NLUD will give best budding lawyer and humane lawyer to India. ..... and u should proud on NLUD that NLUD create a new platform for Indian Students in the globalization market .... so support them .... and then NLUdians ll give u ..... interest with tax payers money ... just wait and watch ...
"Nyaayastatra Pramaanam Syaat"
"There shall justice prevail"
NLUD is having this moto for uuuuuuu..... keep ur eye's on them they lll show u their caliber..... :)
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+1 -0 Raj s to those who unlike NLUD 2011-05-21 01:09
u r scared lot by NLUD performance, They r doing their job and all the students are coming through all India law entrance test so y r u giving this kind of comments i thing u didnot get chance to enter in NLUD thats y u r giving these kinds of silly comments and i want to tell u that Ranbir singh and Late prof. Ghanshyam singh they both r very hard working persons but after Ghanshyam singh NLUDians are giving same response by their own will to NLUD thats y NLUD is standing on this place and NLUD have gutssssssssss to fight with the world in the legal field and just wait and watch: and keep ur eye's on NLUdians they ll give u a positive response to those who trust on them .... NLUD know that how to handle these kinds of matter..... and NLUD r not comparing with any other NLUs becoz NLUD knows that NLSIU, NALSAR, NUJS are on the same plateform and they all are having brotherhood relations ..... kkk so i would like to tell to those person's who unlike NLUD that just keep ur eye's open and look on NLUDians..... NLUD ll give u Rose Flower for for ur ......... response towards them ..... Thank you for giving them that much confidence through ur words.... :)
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+1 -0 kianganz 2011-05-18 22:38
STOP PRESS (and comments)

Ok, the final calculation supports our headline even more strongly.

I have gone back to the source materials for CLAT 2010.

Including STs/SCs and other reservations such as NRI, etc:
121 places at NUJS
60 places at Nalsar
55 places at NLS

= 236 places at the most popular 3 NLSes.

17,300 total CLAT takers (2010) divided by 236 places = 1 in 73 chance of making NLS/Nalsar/NUJS cut-off in 2010.

NLU D this year (incl reservations): 79 out of 7814 = 1 in 99 chance of making NLU D cut-off.

So should the headline have read, NLU Delhi entrance now 25% tougher than NLS/Nalsar/NUJS last year?

I think that notwithstanding a big hike in CLAT takers this year, we will see total odds of getting into NLS/Nalsar/NUJS of 1 in 100 or thereabouts, although I do not have figures to back that up.

Does that sound reasonable?

We should have used clearer figures in the original story, but I think it is safe for us to stand by the headline as it is (although I do accept, yet again, that not all NLU D toppers can be certain to opt for NLU D, but that is another argument).

We will do more analysis once the CLAT results are out, you can be sure of that!
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+2 -1 Insecurities 2011-05-18 22:50
Hahahahaha, Kian has a point although you should have mentioned that from the beginning to avoid this whole debate.

All you pompous insecure NLSuites can go shove it, NLU Delhi is even MORE competitive and is the future!

-Not from NLUD or any other NLS
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+0 -0 kianganz 2011-05-18 22:52
We have updated the bottom of the story now with the full calculation and yes, we should have explained the full calculation right from the start - apologies.
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+0 -0 Clarification 2011-05-22 19:58
There are 41 General Seats in Nalsar. 55 in NLS.
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+0 -0 hmhm 2011-05-22 23:26
Here we are not talking about general seats, but total number of seats.

NLS - 80
NALSAR- 80 with STATE QUOTA, SC, ST, PD, FOREIGN NATIONALS.
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+0 -0 Hello 2011-05-19 00:38
There are 80 seats in NLS. 55 are only General seats.
There are 80 seats in NALSAR.
There are 125 seats in NUJS
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+0 -0 Just an observation 2011-05-24 09:29
Mr. Kian, you are using CLAT's last year's data and NLUD's current years data, it'll be worthwhile to note that number of clat takers have increased by arnd 6000 making it also 1 in 100.
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+0 -1 wtf 2011-05-18 22:47
Why so much hype around NLUD. Seems like Ranbir paid hell lot of a money to LI! Nevermind, instead of exclusive, should've been in the SPONSORED category! Constructive journalism required, not sponsored!
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+2 -1 kianganz 2011-05-18 23:07
Not sponsored, the article was completely free (as all our articles).

Credit where it's due though: NLU Delhi did exceedingly well in the MPL this year and there seems to be a lot of demand for its entrance exam...
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+3 -0 jealous!!!! 2011-05-18 22:48
start another debate...which law college is the best....
one which produces excellent lawyers and Judges or which produces highly paid clerk/officer.for mnc , company and firm ....
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+4 -0 Illiterate 2011-05-18 23:01
Reading comprehension & math skills severely lacking in CLAT kids these days, it seems. :)))
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+0 -0 Clat-er 2011-05-18 23:07
Because it's an independent entrance, statistic of 59 seats out of 9000 applications can seem a little more overwhelming than the ground reality. The chances of kids getting into NLS NUJS Nalsar also scoring in the top ranks of the NLU D entrance are extremely high. So while the CLAT has many more takers and fiercer competition for the top 174 seats; to get into NLU D you'd need to be among the top 59 AFTER the 174 toppers from CLAT! That means, 233 top students from 9,000 if all of the top 174 perform equally well at the CLAT (most serious and sincere CLAT students would appear for NLU D for sure).. That's not 1 seat per 100 NLU D applicants but in fact nearly 3 seats per 100 NLU D applicants! That's a huge difference in the level of the competition.

With malice towards none. Of course, there are the rare occassions of students prefering NLU D over the more established schoools and CLAT toppers not doing well at the NLU D exam - but these while possible are less probable assumptions.
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+0 -0 kianganz 2011-05-18 23:26
Fair point although at the moment it's impossible to say for sure what the toppers will ultimately pick.

But we will make sure we analyse the choices and performances of the NLU Delhi exam toppers once CLAT results are announced and report back.

As an aside, an interesting dynamic to consider this year: if the CLAT was really more 'random' this year then we might see quite a high divergence between NLU D toppers and CLAT toppers.

Anyone have any statistics or insight on whether those who topped the CLAT also topped last year's NLU D exam? And how many that applied to NLU D do not apply via CLAT, and vice versa?
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+0 -0 doubt 2011-05-19 10:54
i doubt..life and career decision is not simple math....it is most probable that Delhi guys may not choose..any other institutions than NLUD...but it is not ur fault..immature guys like u calculates everything in mathematical formula ...and suffers...like mathematician suffered..when he took average depth of a river and dies in process to cross it..thinking that average depth is less than his height....so be confident..excel yourself..... admission decision depends on many factor...including institutions reputation.. if u guys calculating intelligence like math..then u guys must suffer from inferiority complex from IIT , IIM and medical students ... are u less talented student than IItians? show some maturity of law student....it is mature profession and requires more maturity than others...........
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+0 -0 rest for test 2011-05-19 11:02
typically stupid mindset arguments...grow up kids and these silly arguments will not help you, best college makes you clerk or officer of good company but not commander of own destiny...how many you going to become lawyer? how many will be be going to know as top notch lawyer....experience about law college says..it is job seekers factory.......and your behaviors and arguments looks like you all trying to prove your college is better than others to get better job....
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+2 -1 What is this all about 2011-05-19 00:08
Why are NLS/NALSAR/NUJS students getting so insecure? It's not like NLUD is stealing your thunder.
I think it's about time you guys accepted that NLUD is giving you competition.
Just to make it clear, the batch that joined in 2009 at NLUD saw students quite a lot of students prefering NLUD over NUJS. And that was only the second year of NLUD's existence. The batch that joined in 2010 at NLUD saw quite a lot of students preferring NLUD over NUJS and NALSAR and about 4 people choosing NLUD over NLSIU. And no, these are not the students who are residents of Delhi.
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+0 -0 Hello 2011-05-19 00:52
4 people choosing NLUD over NLSIU? Are you kidding ?

Can you name them ? There was only one guy who got AIR 8, and he preferred NUJS in CLAT.

And 4 people apart from AIR 8 who left NUJS, and most of them belonged to Delhi or nearby places. Are not they? Then, please mention.

And one left NALSAR.


Rest of them could not make into Top 3 NLUs? That is also a true fact.

Contrary to that, most of students who made into Top 3 NLUs were in the range of 1-250 in NLUD. Most of them .
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+0 -0 An Observer 2011-05-19 05:54
Please let us all stop waging a war like typical kindergarten kids saying "My car is better than your car" and that is because "It has a combo DVD Player while you have a cassette player." It is of no avail. I have been to all these colleges. The fact of the matter is this: It is the students which make an institution what it is and not the year in which they were established, or what their marketing strategy is. As far as preference goes, then the very word "Preference" encompasses a multitude of reasons which are so subjective in nature, that fighting over their rationale itself is irrational. However there are certain stereotypes which need to be clarified: Not every student studying in NLUD chose NLUD merely because he/ she would be closer to one's home.
And to that extent I would agree with Kian that the very nature of the two entrance examination papers would stand as a testimony to the veracity of his statement that there would be a wide disparity between the merit lists of the two selections.
Although NLUD is of recent origin, yet it reserves its right to give a fair competition to every other law school. Law Aspirants do not refuse to be taught by an NLUD student and today those students have made it to NALSAR, NLSIU and NUJS & NLUD. The task is to prepare them well and then it is left to them to take the course that they want to take.

I do not belong to any National Law University, but I was taught by an NLUD student in Delhi. He chose NLUD over NUJS and NALSAR (III List) because most of the students in his batch did so. He is from the II year.
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+0 -0 Sad times 2011-05-19 06:58
This is typical smoke screen. The numbers don't really disprove the most important fact.

If a person gets NLS there is no strong reason for him to choose NLU-D unless he has emotional reasons which aren't relevant.

I am glad that other colleges don't indulge in such obvious blatant publicity. So misleading.
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+3 -1 Nalsarite 2011-05-19 10:09
the year i joined nalsar, nlu d came up with 6 waiting lists. rank 2 of NLUD- 2010 exam is at nalsar. I think this says it all. NLS/NALSAR/NUJS are still preferred over NLUD. :)
Ps: 80% of my batch got selected for NLU D in one list or the other.
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+0 -0 Ana-lie-sys 2011-05-19 10:42
Haha, this one is a funny funny article. Classic case of trying to fit facts to theory.
The least you could've done is a) wait for CLAT results or b) compare NLUD's last year preferences qua CLAT toppers. Sheesh!

and 27 just blew a hugeass hole in the so called analysis.
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+0 -0 No offence to kian 2011-05-19 10:44
Kian what is this. I understand that u got paid by Mr. Ranbir Singh but u shld also understand that by publishing such preposterous articles the credibility of this site goes down considerably.

Ppl do u know one thing. I wont be surprised at all if nlu - d gets a very good placements for its first batch. Ask me the reason. The reason is that 90% of the students studying in nlu - d are the sons/daughters of big shots (Kian if u want u can confirm it with the students there itself. Just conduct a small survey of their first batch u will get to know)and they will be easily placed by hook or by crook.

anyways as many posts above shows that the figures are indeed misleading. It is very simple and again i understand that lawyers make all the simple things complex. It is a fact that the competition is not the same. If I get selected in nlu delhi and nls bangalore, i would prefer nls bangalore if i m serious abt my career and not a son/daughter of a big shot who comes for a vacation.

How can u kian conclude that the competition is the same. this is ridiculous and i think no explanation is sought to provide for this bad journalism. but in India if ministers can take bribe y now kian can take some money and popularity for his site.

so no offence. the fact remains a fact. Res ispa loquitiur.
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+0 -0 kianganz 2011-05-19 12:41
Just for the record, I should point out that nowhere in the article or in our conversation did Ranbir Singh say that NLU Delhi is as tough to get in as the other three colleges.

I chose an admittedly provocative headline purely on the basis of the numbers of applicants vs places, which is a common determinant used in judging how hard it is to get into a college.

Once the final results of choices and acceptances are out, we will do a follow-up analysis.
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+0 -0 Right 2011-05-20 01:43
Right, and the performance at moots this year is also because they are sons and daughters of hot shots?
I don't see why people have a problem admitting that there's another college that is giving their college competition. They would much rather engage in mudslinging than play fair at a competition.
I don't see any NLUD student speaking against any other college. So why is it that the "Top 3" are so insecure?
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+4 -2 yaaaawn 2011-05-19 12:10
Hilarious how all you NLS grads are getting all excited about this and immediately assume corruption, bribery and everything. How narrow your world is.

Face it, NLU D is popular and it's not easy getting in. Your precious NLS, Nalsar, NUJS might still be a better institution, but 1 place for 100 applicants is pretty damn impressive for being such a young school even if some of those go to NLS.

And, NLU Delhi's biggest selling point is of course, who wants to study in backwater like salt lake, nagharbavi or hyderabad outskirts when you can be next to the SC, the country's top HC and most of the top lawyers??

No contest, just for that reason NLU Delhi will win the race in the end and if I had to choose my college again today, I would have a hard time choosing between NLU D and NLS. In one or two years NLU D might win in perception. Wait and watch.
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+3 -1 Nalsarite 2011-05-19 13:50
Dude! Tell me you didnt make it to any of the TOP 3! :p
Grapes are always sour for people like you! ;)
and btw, when people get an opportunity to study in the TOP 3, they dont think abt nagarbhavi, shameerpet or salt lake, they just know they are in the best colleges of india. So shut up!
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+2 -0 In all fairness 2011-05-19 12:54
Let's just give credit where it is due. NLU-D has indeed made rapid progress in a short span of one year and deserves recognition for it. That does not in anyway undermine NLS, NALSAR, or NUJS. All said and done, NLU-D has made a far bigger impact on the legal education scene than Jindal. I just cannot see 100 (or even 50) aspirants for each seat at Jindal.
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+0 -1 Nalsarite 2011-05-19 13:51
Jindal? Are you talking about that steel company? :p
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+0 -0 Where are we headed 2011-05-19 14:03
[Comment redacted. If you wish to accuse anyone of bribery, please do supply a shred of evidence or at least make a new argument that hasn't been made before rather than making accusations. -Ed]
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+3 -1 hypocrisy 2011-05-19 14:07
The point of CLAT was to reduce cost for applicants. the CJI asked all law schools to do it. why has this college not? can't be paper leakage etc. - unless he's implying that all others law schools are ok with paper leakage. come on man ...

and if this college is that good, then people will choose it ... so the preference list doesnt matter right ??
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+1 -2 Nalsarite 2011-05-19 14:29
Well said ! BLASTED RANBIR SINGH's FRIVOLOUS ARGUMENTS!
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+0 -0 Respect 2011-05-20 01:44
Learn to respect the man. He built the place that you're so proud of today and are being so arrogant about.
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+1 -1 LAWARE 2011-05-19 14:27
is this site sponsored by NLU-D....No doubt the college is doing well....but this site leaves no stone unturned to praise the college.....
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+0 -0 Nalsarite 2011-05-19 14:40
and the article is factually incorrect..last year more than 6500 students appeared for the NLU D exam.
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+0 -0 kianganz 2011-05-19 15:13
Interesting - where did you get that figure from? I haven't been able to find last year's total figures on the net... Thanks!
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+0 -0 Candidates 2011-05-19 15:23
Actually, It was 6658 candidates. I have the list of last year. Downloaded at that time.
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+0 -0 kianganz 2011-05-19 15:27
Thanks for your response - would you be able to send me a copy? We can then try to investigate last year's topper preferences.

You can send and attach it anonymously over the Contact link in the top menu or just confidentially send me an email to my email address.

Plus we'll have to check the 4000 and 9000 figures with Ranbir Singh...

Thanks!
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+0 -0 kianganz 2011-05-19 18:08
Thank you for sending over, you are correct, 6,658 candidates applied last year. We have checked with Ranbir Singh and this is the correct figure.

Yesterday's figure was due to a miscommunication and we have amended the article.

Sorry for any inconvience.
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+0 -0 alien 2011-05-19 15:01
how can NLU be tougher if 4 times the nuber give CLAT?
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+0 -0 kianganz 2011-05-19 15:15
We did not look at the total size but only at the number of available places per applicant.

That ratio is a little bit higher at NLU Delhi right now than the top 3 CLAT schools, although this does not take into account how many eventually choose to accept their offers.
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+0 -0 LKS 2011-05-19 18:00
Hahahaha........now one more topic for time pass for great people of great colleges.....its seems all NLU grade have lot of time to do gossip...yar our client bills are too high, lets do work some thing
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+2 -1 Grammar Nazi 2011-05-19 18:29
And while we are at it, let us work on our sentence construction as well.
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+1 -1 responsible journalism 2011-05-19 18:31
kian. why are you going through this much to defend the article. it may do good to accept that this article goes overboard? journalism is also about accepting when you get it wrong na?

i have friends in that college. they tell me the state of their academics and absolutely pathetic teachers they have. this is not to get a response from someone from that college now to say 'no no, our teachers are studs' but its a fact which anyone from that college in private will confirm ... their insistence on nothing but mooting is also well known ... there is no research activity there ... no research centres ... students are given months off from classes for moots (jessup team) .... is that a good institution? or a college which really wants to do well in moots and acads and research dont matter ??

honest answer from anyone is welcome ... and have you looked at the research centres there, or the state of acads kian before proclaiming sensationally you conclusions about that college ... mpl is not the only indicator .... :)
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+0 -1 Ahh 2011-05-20 01:49
I don't know who you've been talking to but the faculty at NLUD is actually one of the best there is in India. A couple of odd teachers here and there doesn't mean that the faculty is pathetic. I am sure any other college would also have a couple of teachers who are not up to the par but that doesn't mean that the faculty is pathetic.
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+0 -0 hahahahaa 2011-05-19 18:36
ok guys our doubt is now more stonger. Just visit this site barandbench.com/brief/9/1482/nlu-delhi-creates-a-new-paradigm-7814-students-for-70-seats

Now it is a proven fact in my view that RS has paid money to these sites to publish these reports. How come the tone and some of the lines in both the articles are same.

As RS is known to do such things it is no surprise that he has done this. One thing we shld all appreciate he is very good in doing this. Just see wht a significant publicity he has generated.

But the only thing i fear is that these websites and particularly websites such as legallyindia are not fulfilling their objective of providing to us fair, unbiased and independent news. However as previously said how does this matters when our ministers take bribes y not kian can take it. After all he also knows that this is all bullshit and ppl may shout for sometime and then all will be well.

Ppl are still going to read legallyindia. But kian let me tell u and take this as a fact as i m from a student community and i know how much these types of reports are doubting your credibility. the time is not far when we wont take u seriously as we used to take before.

It was ur fair and unbiased reporting only which made ur website and particularly MPL such popular. It is your right in these high inflation days that u also cash in on opportunities but let me tell u this wont take u long way.

The only accusation before this was that u favours NLS over other law schools. Then came that HNLU report title controversy and now this. See i have been following ur website very closely and i can tell u that this is not going well.

YOU ARE LOOSING OUR TRUST, CONFIDENCE. YOUR CREDIBILITY AND POPULARITY IS GOING DOWN AS WELL. I M YOUR WELL WISHER AND THAT IS EXACTLY WH I M WARNING YOU BEFORE HAND. RNBIR SINGH WOULD BE A MEMBER OF RAJYA SABHA IN SOME TIME. YOU WILL BE THE ONE SUFFERING. BEWARE!
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+3 -1 kianganz 2011-05-19 19:18
Thanks for your kind wishes, feedback and warning.

But at the outset I should correct your misapprehension, which is clearly caused by a lack of understanding of how journalism works (also, your idea of "proven fact" is a very loose one at best).

So here goes an unprecedented, uncensored behind-the-scenes look at the newsroom.

NLU Delhi sent out a press release last night about their admission test. The initial release looked a little boring to be honest and we were considering not running a story at all.

Then we looked into the figures a little more deeply, particularly the statistics of places per applicant, which worked out to a very similar ratio to what they are at top CLAT schools.

So, after Neha spoke to Ranbir Singh, we wrote the most interesting story and angle possible with the materials and facts available.

As I admitted before, the headline may have been guilty of sensationalism, but that is also the purpose of headlines.

Who would read a story called: '70 students pass the NLU Delhi admissions test'? And why would such a story matter to anyone?

Our job as journalists is to report the facts fairly, accurately and in an interesting manner. Plus, we like challenging the status quo and expectations at times, and making our readers think.

As you point out, we get suspected when we write about NLS to be taking money from NLS or being NLS alumni (both untrue). When we write about NUJS we get blamed for favouring that school, when we write about a law firm too much people suspect that we take money from them. Is there any way we can win here, except to shrug off the blame and repercussions and still attempt to write the best, most accurate and most interesting story possible?

And contrary to how corrupt everyone here seemingly assumes the India to be, to date we have never been offered money to surreptitiously write a news story. Nor have we ever solicited any of this kind of stuff and made it very clear (and just maybe that is also why no one has asked us). Finally, being completely blunt, knowing the Indian online market quite well now, even if we wanted to, the revenues from this kind of stuff would be very unexciting too and not worth the loss in credibility.

I can't speak for the big national newspapers or others in the legal space, but these are Legally India's views.

I do welcome your response, as ever.
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+1 -1 kianganz 2011-05-19 19:26
As an aside, something is quite worrying me about the state of the nation, if you permit me to opine.

Have portions of India's youth become so scarred and jaded by all the high-profile and petty corruption around that all belief in a clean world has gone and been replaced by paranoia?

(Or have I just been trolled?)
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+1 -1 Classic Regular 2011-05-19 20:06
Brilliant!
We are just cynical bastards, you see. Also it's very hot in India. Given that most of us are at home and are rich spoilt brats with ACs at home we are chillin like villi'ns and starting a comment war on LI. Nice pastime.
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+2 -0 hahahahaa 2011-05-20 21:45
Kian sorry for this late reply...i was busy...

It was a kind of argument i made when i wrote that if ministers can take bribe y not kian to make my argument forceful and acceptable to the readers mixing it with sarcasm.

my real point is that all of us know how RS works. Probably if this was for some other college then this debate might not have been started but here it is imperative.

I wish u all the best in all your endevaours but the truth is that yes LI is loosing its credibility. BEWARE!
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+1 -0 hahahahaa 2011-05-20 21:48
ohh

If u did all this to sensationalize then u won!

But u have obviously paid the cost of this unworthy publicity.

Very soon i will give u a very interesting piece of information with evidence. This will be worthy of all the good publicity.
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+1 -0 Haha 2011-05-20 01:50
Haha! "Loosing" our trust. Brilliant.
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+0 -0 Questions 2011-05-19 18:38
Kian. Please ask Ranbir Singh these questions:

1. If the problem is paper leakage, is he saying that papers were leaked in this CLAT? Or is he implying that other law schools are ok with it? If not, then this isn't a valid reason.
2. If he feels NLU Delhi is as good, then the preference list doesnt matter. Why did he cite it as a reason? And when every other college is ready to go into the preference list and possibly come out at the bottom, what is his special reason for excluding his college?
3. The reason for CLAT was to make the fee less for applicants and have lesser exams. The CJI said this. He's going directly against that.

Like the last person said. Responsible journalism. If you aren't paid for these articles and there is no bias - go ahead and ask these simple questions. Or leave us to draw our conclusion as to where this article comes from.
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+0 -2 hahahahaa 2011-05-19 19:01
I tell you why he does not want to join CLAT.

As all of you are aware ww have another law institute of rich ppl - the reat JGLS.

Ranbir Singh and C Raj (VC of JGLS) both of them are conspiring against the 11 NLUs. I can tell you all one inside information. These two ppl are the ones who [...]
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+0 -0 NLUD-ite 2011-05-19 21:43
May be it is an entrance exam, but students who joined last year NLUD could not clear CLAT or made into NLSIU, NUJS, NALSAR.




Oh yeah.
I made it to NUJS last year.
We have at least two guys who made it to NALSAR last year.
We have last year's CLAT AIR-8 here.
Most others got through to someplace in CLAT.
So yeah,
The top 3 are cool,
But we guys here have cleared that exams too.
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+1 -0 Read it again 2011-05-20 09:38
Most of you could not clear. Around 70%
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+1 -1 Ranbir Singhs Ploy exposed 2011-05-19 22:13
So this is Ranbir Singh's ploy. The blatant advertiser!

He sent out a press release and these websites like LegallyIndia and others published it!

Wow!
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+0 -1 Raj 2011-05-19 23:07
@ Kian..

Leave making people understand..they will keep barking whatever you do..You are doing amazingly well..
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+3 -0 Unheard Dian 2011-05-19 23:42
I seriously believe that we all should restrain from hyping any law school to such an extent that it fools the applicant students. It is important for all of us to understand that a lot of the decision making of the applying students in AILET and CLAT depends upon discussion on such forums. Therefore, a very careful argumentation is necessary. NLU Delhi is a good law school which has a bright future like may other law universities irrespective of their ranks in CLAT. What students really need in life is to have perseverance and unshakable aim of excelling which they should always preserve in them. Good law school may or may not provide them proper facilities, but, it mostly depends upon students performance. A healthy academic and behavioral culture is another necessary criteria of judging good law schools. Applicants should bear in mind that they are not always going to get the same college life and culture they may have in their minds. And developing a culture is always an ongoing process. Thus, no law school can be chosen or rejected solely upon its history, for a great deal lies in the upcoming. "A sound culture comes with sound minds."
Also teaching faculty is one of the most important criteria on which a law school should be judged. At present, almost all the law school are suffering with the same problem of adequate and quality teaching faculty. PhDs and LLMs also fail to prove good teaching staffs in these colleges. Thus, a proper survey in these regard would rather, better help in judging law school. Library and internet facilities are undeniable necessaries of progressive law schools. Thus, the law schools which provide regular and proper library and internet facilities ensure a lot of future quality of students. Global and national exposure of the college venue is another genuinely important consideration. And truly speaking, the guest faculties and university committee HI-FIs and Chancellors do not really matter (excluding Vice Chancellor who rather plays a pivotal role in success of the University Administration).
ONE HAS TO MAKE A SOUND CHOICE WHICH CAN AND SHOULD NEVER DEPEND UPON SUCH WORTHLESS AND UNREGULATED OPEN FORUM DISCUSSIONS.
ACTUALLY, IT DOES NOT YIELD TO A HEALTHY AND HELPFUL DISCUSSION TO DISCUSS NUMBER OF STUDENTS APPLYING FOR ANY LAW SCHOOL, A CLEAR MAJORITY APPLIES FOR THEM BECAUSE THE REST IN THE MAJORITIES ARE APPLYING. PLEASE DO NOT GET BOGGLED BY SUCH UNWORTHY NEWS REPORTING. THEIR AIM IS POPULARITY, WHICH THEY ACHIEVE BY OUR UNWORTHY FOLLOW UPS.
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+0 -0 hahahahaa 2011-05-20 21:35
thats exactly my worries....Ranbir Singh can create such a hype abt NLU Delhi. He is leaving the college within one yr...But at present ppl will chose and later on regret as once RS leaves nlu delhi will be nothing....u can clearly see its deteriorating standards after the sad demise of Mr. Ghanshyam SIngh.
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+1 -0 An Observer 2011-05-20 05:05
"i have friends in that college. they tell me the state of their academics and absolutely pathetic teachers they have. this is not to get a response from someone from that college now to say 'no no, our teachers are studs' but its a fact which anyone from that college in private will confirm ... their insistence on nothing but mooting is also well known ... there is no research activity there ... no research centres ... students are given months off from classes for moots (jessup team) .... is that a good institution? or a college which really wants to do well in moots and acads and research dont matter ??

honest answer from anyone is welcome ... and have you looked at the research centres there, or the state of acads kian before proclaiming sensationally you conclusions about that college ... mpl is not the only indicator .... :)"




So much so for spreading frivolous rumors about NLUD just to prove your damned point. If you belong to those BIG 3 Colleges, bring me any student who could say that EVERY TEACHER there is STUD. Moreover, as you must have knowingly left out, there exists a crisis in the Legal Education Industry. So if you can't get the best of teachers in Delhi, assume how many could you possibly get in other places. Mr. Ranbir Singh has picked the best names from NALSAR, "Ask them", not the new crop, but those who have already been placed. Names such as Ruhi Paul, Late Professor and Registrar Mr. Ghanshyam Singh are pertinent instances. Moreover, they also have good teachers from NLUJ such as Dr. Amar Singh, Dr. Seshan Radha and Dr. Jeet Singh Maan. Furthermore, like Mr. shamnad Basheer, the sole appointed lecturer Emeritus by the BCI is Professor Dr. Anju Vali Tikoo who has been the head of Criminology Department of the Delhi University for more than two decades.
Seriously man. get your facts right, before basing your opinion on the dictums espoused by your "Learned Friends".

Moreover, as far as the winning Jessup team goes, they have been banned by the MCC for one complete year, not to participate in any Moot Court Competitions. No respite was given to them in terms of their examination schedules, and their GPA has fallen way below 4 on 8.

As far as researching skills are concerned, they did not have a senior batch to plagiarize projects from, unlike other NAtionals. Furthermore, I have also heard students who are barely in their second Year who are writing books on the new Matrimonial Laws. So PLEASE get your facts right, instead of speaking for the heck of it.....
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+0 -2 Nullsaar 2011-05-20 10:48
Ooooh, [...], now we are all shaking in our pants. Her CV is so bright, it burns my eyes.
And the Late [...], well no disrespect to his memory; he was a good disciplinarian no doubt, teacher? well that is debatable. And also the slight problem of him having passed away. Again, may his soul rest in peace.
So anyway, definitely not the best names (or the second best or the thrid or... well you get the point) from Nalsar have been picked by Ranbira.
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+2 -2 Read it again 2011-05-20 11:04
Check the Faculty of NUJS, then compare it with any other National Law University in India.
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+0 -0 faculty 2011-05-22 00:15
I appreciate the faculty of JGLS. But, only faculty cannot do anything unless it had good students, which JGLS obviously lacks when it is compared to colleges like NLS/NUJS/NALSAR.
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+1 -2 nluite 2011-05-20 10:45
Dude, [...] was thrown out of [...] and [...] wasnt a great teacher as well. As far as [...] is concerned, he was the most hated and hypoicrite faculty who didnt even know [...] laws well. So, if you treat them good, God save you guys!
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+4 -1 Everyone should write a book 2011-05-20 15:03
Is writing a book tough?

Anyone can write a book!

Actually everyone in NLUD should write a book since they are captured, chained convicts who can go out of the Jail like campus only in the evenings from 4-6 in the evening!

Haha! So what do you do for the rest of your time? You write a book! Most of our freedom fighters wrote while in Jail. NLUD students should also write a book! All of them!

Tell me one thing: Why is Ranbir Singh so restrictive, authoritative and paternalistic so as to allow young students venture out of the campus only 4-6 in the evening? ANSWER THIS!
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+1 -4 NLUDite 2011-05-20 16:26
@ 47 : Precisely, thats what we do.We stay in prisons work our asses off. If anybody can write a book, then why don't you come up with something which is not plagiarized from your senior.Jealousy is what we can smell in the air. As far as your answer is concerned, Ranbir Singh Sir treats all his students like his own children. I have been to all your universities, seen the attitudes of Mr. [...] (where the heck is Nalsarite? ) who is an administrative failure. or [...] who is so in love with the title "Justice" that he refuses to give it up and rarely comes out to meet the kids. Discipline is the word my friend.The reason is also because there have been lots of murder in and around the area. Also on saturdays and sundays we can get out and there is NO RESTRICTION to that extent. Enjoyment for 2 days in a week is cool with me. Anyway that is how you are all going to end up working in a corporate law firm or even worse. Plus unlike your colleges which are based 40 kms in jungle or on the lonely highway NH 65, where frustrated souls wander and have nothing else to do, NLUD is at a locational advantage. You think you are honoured when some sole Judge from SC comes to your convocation ceremony. At NLUD we have nothing less than the Prime Minister and 31 Judges from the SC to witness our events, (It takes more than mere marketing to get the President of India to the events conducted by your college) I can also understand the pain behind the Nulsaarite's eyes. These days Nalsar is barely surviving under Veer Singh. He is thriving on little chunks of bread thrown by our VC to support his cause, we also heard all your NLU's shouting for grants. Had a UGC meet yesterday, and I am sure all your TALL CLAIMS will get a serious set back once you hear the amounts that all your NLU's even the NLS begged from the UGC to give what you guys are proud at. NLUD was a host and gets thrice as much as what any state Govt. gives any of your colleges. As far as Jessup team goes, they have been banned for a complete year from taking part in any moot activities, plus there academics side is screwed, unlike other NLU's where there is a grade inflation. We have our friends at other law colleges too. And we know what exactly is the state of affairs.
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+2 -0 Memories of NALSAR 2011-05-20 19:27
Quoting NLUDite:
@ 47 : Precisely, thats what we do.We stay in prisons work our asses off. If anybody can write a book, then why don't you come up with something which is not plagiarized from your senior.Jealousy is what we can smell in the air. As far as your answer is concerned, Ranbir Singh Sir treats all his students like his own children. I have been to all your universities, seen the attitudes of Mr. [...] (where the heck is Nalsarite? ) who is an administrative failure. or [...] who is so in love with the title "Justice" that he refuses to give it up and rarely comes out to meet the kids. Discipline is the word my friend.The reason is also because there have been lots of murder in and around the area. Also on saturdays and sundays we can get out and there is NO RESTRICTION to that extent. Enjoyment for 2 days in a week is cool with me. Anyway that is how you are all going to end up working in a corporate law firm or even worse. Plus unlike your colleges which are based 40 kms in jungle or on the lonely highway NH 65, where frustrated souls wander and have nothing else to do, NLUD is at a locational advantage. You think you are honoured when some sole Judge from SC comes to your convocation ceremony. At NLUD we have nothing less than the Prime Minister and 31 Judges from the SC to witness our events, (It takes more than mere marketing to get the President of India to the events conducted by your college) I can also understand the pain behind the Nulsaarite's eyes. These days Nalsar is barely surviving under Veer Singh. He is thriving on little chunks of bread thrown by our VC to support his cause, we also heard all your NLU's shouting for grants. Had a UGC meet yesterday, and I am sure all your TALL CLAIMS will get a serious set back once you hear the amounts that all your NLU's even the NLS begged from the UGC to give what you guys are proud at. NLUD was a host and gets thrice as much as what any state Govt. gives any of your colleges. As far as Jessup team goes, they have been banned for a complete year from taking part in any moot activities, plus there academics side is screwed, unlike other NLU's where there is a grade inflation. We have our friends at other law colleges too. And we know what exactly is the state of affairs.


Commenting is good... but do not involve teachers and VCs in it... This weakens ones arguments... Rest... everyone should remember that for getting best of education and mooting skills, one has to sacrifice on minor fronts... Otherwise every university or college would have been best... Truly speaking try visiting NLUD for academic and mooting purpose and you will see the difference....
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+1 -1 get a life 2011-05-20 16:32
Ranbir advertises, Nlud gains popularity, every year a growing percentage of people leave CLAT colleges and join NLUD. some from first batch, 50% of the second batch is CLAT top 4 colleges, 40% of third batch is CLAT top 4 colleges. Your fruitless debates will not stop the advertising. they wont stop us winning moots and debates and justifying our popularity. we will eventually get ahead of most CLAT colleges. Ranbir is smart with his placement. Yes, he does advertise, but not blatantly, we back up his advertising with results. I believe that should be enough evidence that we arent about hollow talk. All of these discussions that other law school students start along with allegations of money being paid to make us win competitions all rings of wounded pride, a certain amount of fear and a large amount of stinking lies an hypocrisy. Stop acting like jealous, crazed housewives. We want nothing to do with you. We do what we have to, to get better and we do it legitimately. keep commenting for all i care.
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+4 -0 Legal Poet II 2011-05-20 18:16
"50% of the second batch is CLAT top 4 colleges, 40% of third batch is CLAT top 4 colleges".

You calculated all this?

Stop fighting guys, chill! Turn on your ACs. We tend to get all worked up when its this hot!

PS- may this world be happy!

A wise and very successful man by the name of Kian Ganz said this:


"My main piece of advice would be not to stress too much about which law school you get into as long as it is in a decent location where you wouldn’t mind spending five years and that has a strong student community".

"Much of the rest is up to you and how much initiative you show in college – a majority of what you take out of college will be about whom you meet, befriend and what you do with it, not what the university spoonfeeds you or how nice your hostels are".

"Take GLC Mumbai, for example, which as an institution arguably provides far less than any other law school. But students have made it what it is and continue to be successful".

"In fact, the same goes for any national law school too. While a decent level of teaching and infrastructure exists, students seem far more active and involved in almost every facet of campus life than at most UK or US universities for example".
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+2 -0 kianganz 2011-05-20 18:46
Thanks Poet, but only moderately successful at best and still working on the wisdom part by ageing far faster than healthy!
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+0 -0 LE 2011-05-20 19:30
I had always wondered why NLUD didnt joint the CLAT bandwagon (given that Ranveer Singh was one of the main architects of CLAT), well RS solves the mystery if NLUD joined CLAT then they would have got their share of CLAT prospectus sale money in 2020 instead by having a different entrance exam they are making at least 1/3rd of the total CLAT income. SC was categorical in Varun Bhagat that there should be a single entrance exam to minimise economic harassment of law aspirants. It seems NLUD and NLUO are making a mickey out of that judgement. Wish other NLUs boycott NLUD until they join the fold.
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+2 -0 Legal Poet II 2011-05-20 20:52
Well, we at Infocracy India are thinking of filing an RTI against NLU Delhi, NLU Orrisa, NLSIU and CLAT (don't know if CLAT has a PIO) to get all the 'information' and the reasons these colleges gave when they decided that they don't want to join CLAT.

Since NLS conducted the first CLAT, NLUD and NLSIU must have shared some letters.

Imagine this: 6 more NLUs get created. All have separate exams. Won't this lead to the beforeCLAT like situation of multiple exams. This was what Varun Bhagat fought against. And he won!
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+6 -1 Legal Poet II 2011-05-20 21:36  interesting
BTW did Mr. Ranbir Singh send the photo along with this press release? Smart photo!
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+1 -1 asdf 2011-05-20 23:36
The new Universities like NLU, Delhi and NLU, Orrisa need huge amount of money to establish their infrastructure & other facilities at the initial stage and this was also done by all other universities when they were established. So it was decided by CLAT that till the new University's 1st batch is out, they have the option to be out of CLAT in order to earn revenue.
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+0 -0 Kian Ignores 2011-05-20 23:44
Kian,

I asked you to ask Ranbir Singh 3 simple questions, or leave us to draw our own conclusion as to the source of this article.

Dignify it with a response if you deem it worthy?
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+1 -0 Raj 2011-05-21 00:11
oh god..i just saw..Legallyindia advertises BRA too?

@ Kian

wats dat? How can your website be so cheap ? Can advertise anything for money?
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+1 -1 UJ 2011-05-21 02:08
wats dat? How can your website be so cheap ? Can advertise anything for money?




So why exactly are these kinds of comments by lame-ass frustrated souls being tolerated here?
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+6 -1 N1992 2011-05-22 05:17  interesting
Most of you have major issues in life. Either you a) are highly strung; b) have an inferiority complex or; c) are constipated.

NLUD is a fantastic place as are all other top law colleges. This vitriolic, unsubstantiated nonsense from students in the best law schools of the country is ridiculous. Try acting like you deserve to be at the great college where you are. Extremely irrelevant debate. 236/24000 works out to ROUGHLY (that's the bloody point) the same number as 79/7900. Both denominator are ROUNDED figures. Height of silliness and arrogance, why be lawyers if you fancy yourself to be pseudo-mathematicians?
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+4 -1 Got around rank 5 in NLUD 2011-05-22 13:47
1. I worked hard. Very hard. Now I personally know that its just as hard to get into NLUD as it is to get into the top colleges of CLAT.

2. This debate, regarding whether it is just as difficult to make into NLUD as it is get through "Top Three" of clat, is frivolous, unreasonable and naive.
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+0 -0 Congratulations! 2011-05-22 17:32
Welcome to NLUD, my friend. Hope you join!
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+0 -0 NALSARite 2011-05-23 18:55
Go DPS RKP! Proud to see the juniors doing so well!
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+0 -0 Enjay 2011-05-24 13:29
Why would the best legal minds of the country be so insecure about their college's reputation? If you are so good, an article on legallyindia should be the last thing you should be worried about. You claim to have cleared both AILET and CLAT, but still you chose NLS/NALSAR/NUJS over NLUD. If your university is really good, then I guess you shouldn't be bothered about this news item as it's hardly going to change the established norm. And really, stop all the mud slinging on NLUD, please, it's not going to take us anywhere. Some of my best friends are in colleges like NALSAR,NUJS and NLIU and let me tell you that even they have a lot of negative stuff to say about their colleges, just like we at NLUD tell our friends. That's a fact, every place has it's pros and cons, them alone do not define that institution. And all these allegations of NLUDites being rich brats or that the only thing we do as NLUD is moot are baseless. We have a diverse student body just like any other university and mooting hardly takes precedence over academics which has earlier been pointed out that our Jessup team wasn't given any exceptions whatsoever so it proves that the college does not want students just to do well in moots. And yes, the rules aren't as bad as some of you think they are. The fact that we are in Dwarka is immaterial as we are well connected to the rest of the city through the metro. We acknowledge that we have a long way to go before we can be mentioned in the same breath as NLS or NALSAR so till then please stop all the mud slinging. Just like most students in your universities, we too are normal students with hopes and aspirations, just because our VC likes publicity doesn't mean that we are shit or that we are less than you in any manner. I mean really, CLAT has been asking questions like "who directed chak de" in the past few years so don't tell me cracking CLAT is an indicator of brilliance. It's more of luck than anything else.
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+1 -1 Enjay 2011-05-24 13:33
@[...]

You have an aversion to advertising but I couldn't help but notice that you have left no stone unturned in promoting your projects time and again. You are a very gifted individual but I hate to point out that when it comes to NUJS, you get really touchy. So, don't question NLUD's marketing campaign when you yourself fill people's inboxes and facebook feed with updates of your latest endeavors. An example of which would be your comment here "we at infocracy india", seriously dude, even you know that selling a brand is important, so why berate NLUD at every chance you get. And I am sure you know people in NLUD who chose not to join NUJS, so don't question the stats, I can email you individual results to prove that the second batch does infact have a large number of people who left top four CLAT colleges. So really, all your ridicule and sarcasm is uncalled for.
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+0 -0 Legal Poet II 2011-05-24 20:50
The above comment is directed to whom? Me?
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+1 -0 Legal Poet II 2011-05-24 21:06
If yes, here is my answer:

1. I do not have an "aversion" to advertising. Actually I so very love it that I might make it a profession!


2. I am touchy about NUJS, like nearly every student is about his/her college.


3. I have never 'berated' NLUD. Well, berated even isn't the correct word. It should have been 'maligned'?

Anyway, if you think filing an RTI application against it is a way of 'maliging' someone (as we at Infocracy India would do with NLU Orrisa) too, you may be pleased to know that we at Infocracy India have also filed an RTI application against NUJS.


4. You may unsubscribe yourself from my Facebook feed.


5. Infocracy India has students from a dozen law schools and not only NUJS. Infocracy India is not NUJS's initiative.

WE AT INFOCRACY INDIA have filed an RTI application against NUJS too (repeating myself). The information will be shared soon.


6. I know very few people who chose NLUD over NUJS (at least in my batch). People I know did that because they are from Delhi.

At the same time (read it carefully mister), I believe it makes no difference which college you join, provided its a good institution.

Also, I believe that after NLSIU, NLUD has perhaps had the strongest beginnings as a law school.


7. What you consider 'ridicule' and 'sarcasm', is 'fun' for me. It might get people to frown like a pug but I am not here to write research papers.

BTW...Pug reminds me of..."You and I...in this beautiful world".
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+0 -0 Sidhanth 2011-05-25 02:21
hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahah...
mr poet, you are too good :D
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+0 -0 Raj 2011-05-25 15:26
Quoting Sidhanth:
hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahah...
mr poet, you are too good :D

Quoting Sidhanth:
hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahah...
mr poet, you are too good :D



Obviously tht's y he is mr poet!
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+1 -0 Legal Poet II 2011-05-24 21:15
And please send me your email at:

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+0 -0 Common Sense 2011-05-30 03:54
How stupid are you?? You're comparing the odds of getting into NLU-D with the odds of getting into either NLSIU, NALSAR or NUJS. Obviously then the odds would be similar, because you're comparing 3 colleges with 1.
Instead look at the odds of getting into NLSIU 80/17300*100= around 1 student out of every 200.
Use common sense morons
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+0 -0 kianganz 2011-05-30 03:57
That was the clear idea, yes... We proceeded on the assumption that the top 3 CLAT colleges are fairly interchangable and most CLAT toppers will try to aim for one of those three when taking the CLAT.
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+0 -0 Sonal Gupta,NLUD 2011-07-31 14:49
I do completely agree with Dr.Ranbeer Singh,The Hon'ble Vice Chancellor of NLU,Delhi.
The CLAT do not place the institutes as per there caliber to train and develop the law pupil but on the basis of their year of establishments,so it was a genius decision of The NLU,D to conduct a seprate test named AILET for the admissions to NLU,D.
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+0 -0 so 2011-07-31 16:59
So, who will decide caliber? you?
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+1 -0 Jeetji 2771994 2011-10-02 17:10
Panjab university is the best and we FUCK the rest.
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+0 -0 Ambar 2013-01-09 20:05
Well we don't get all the students from the entrance, there's a separate bunch who come through the foreign nationals quota. They don't write the exam at all, unlike other categories that have different cut offs (pun intended).
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